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post #51 of 102
1/14/10 at 5:31pm
What's shocking with this destruction is that the quake really was about the same intensity as the Northridge temblor in California that caused a bunch of random property damage, but killed no one (or very few, I can't remember). One of the fundamental problems with a rescue effort is that after the immediate need of rescue/saving lives is over, what then? I mean, the country never had a proper infrastructure or modern institutions in the first place, so what do you do? The scope of the problem is mind-boggling.

Despite the outcry of sympathy, I'm betting there will be a resounding "no" from the world at large in terms of immigration.
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post #52 of 102
1/14/10 at 5:32pm
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I guess Rush figured he wasn't getting to Hell fast enough:

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We've already donated to Haiti. It's called the U.S. income tax.
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post #53 of 102
1/14/10 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Well, to play Devil's Advocate for a moment (and I hate Limbaugh), we have an absolutely massive subsidy system for non-profit and religious charities in the U.S. Basically, they aren't taxed. How is this paid for? Your taxes are higher by a probably-not-marginal-amount. We pay for their continued existence by subsidizing them with our tax dollars. On top of that, we allow individual write-offs for donations to non-profits.

Still, Limbaugh's a gigantic asshole.

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Despite the outcry of sympathy, I'm betting there will be a resounding "no" from the world at large in terms of immigration.
This didn't take long:

http://www.speroforum.com/site/artic...itian+refugees
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post #54 of 102
1/14/10 at 5:49pm
death toll down to 50k for the moment
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/haiti_earthquake_aid

as far as Pat and the many like him go this verse was probably written for them.
11.Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

12.Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
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post #55 of 102
1/14/10 at 5:58pm
Dunno if they've been mentioned here, but two worthy charities would also be Doctors Without Borders and Engineers Without Borders.
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post #56 of 102
1/15/10 at 11:08am
Danny Glover says this happened because of global warming and that this is the response for Copenhagen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ft5...ayer_embedded#
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post #57 of 102
1/15/10 at 12:09pm
Nobody ever said Pat Robertson had the market cornered on stupidity. In fact, after the last decade or so, it should be apparent that it's damn near epidemic.
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post #58 of 102
1/15/10 at 3:04pm
Keith Olbermann Weighs In On Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh

"You serve no good. You serve no God. You inspire only stupidity and hatred. And I would wish you to hell. But knowing how empty your souls must be for you to be able to say such things in a time of such pain, I suspect the vacant, purposeless lives you both live now are hell enough already."

AWESOME
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post #59 of 102
1/15/10 at 4:46pm
If you want to give money, don't go with Wyclef please.
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post #60 of 102
1/15/10 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Danny Glover says this happened because of global warming and that this is the response for Copenhagen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ft5...ayer_embedded#
Damn. He must still think he is playing the President in "2012".

Yes, Global Warming is a real and urgen problem, but that is incredibly crappy science.
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post #61 of 102
1/15/10 at 5:57pm
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Keith Olbermann Weighs In On Pat Robertson and Rush Limbaugh

"You serve no good. You serve no God. You inspire only stupidity and hatred. And I would wish you to hell. But knowing how empty your souls must be for you to be able to say such things in a time of such pain, I suspect the vacant, purposeless lives you both live now are hell enough already."

AWESOME
I love Olbermann.

Seriously. Saying that it's god's punishment for Toussaint L'Ouverture is about the most retarded remark you could possibly make
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post #62 of 102
1/15/10 at 6:05pm
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If you want to give money, don't go with Wyclef please.
I hope a way is found to nail this guy for fraud.
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post #63 of 102
1/16/10 at 1:25am
Just saw on CNN that some docs had to leave some tent hospitals for security concerns. Patients just left to fend for themselves. MSNBC has a US State Dept. source saying the US Marines will have to take over security soon. Americans already have been given control of the airport.

They are going to need more than 2,000 Marines.
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post #64 of 102
1/18/10 at 4:00pm
Roger Ebert responds to Rush saying that the White House and Obama will take all the charity money: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...NION/100119985
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post #65 of 102
1/19/10 at 12:41am
Hundreds of thousands of Haitians die; bourgeoisie rub themselves down with sunscreen and go for a dip.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_427247.html
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post #66 of 102
1/19/10 at 12:46am
Classy!
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post #67 of 102
1/19/10 at 11:17am
That seems the begging of a Ballard's novel, some big disaster, rich people & armed soldiers on an island.
I hope the best for the people working and living up there.
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post #68 of 102
1/19/10 at 1:12pm
Edward Cullen to the rescue, all will be well

Joking aside, this could actually work quite well.
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post #69 of 102
1/19/10 at 3:04pm
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Roger Ebert responds to Rush saying that the White House and Obama will take all the charity money: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/...NION/100119985
I love Ebert. That was a glorious and 100% correct smackdown. If I had a tail, it would be wagging.
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post #70 of 102
1/19/10 at 3:06pm
Anderson Cooper to the rescue!
http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/19/anders...-haitian-hero/
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post #71 of 102
1/19/10 at 3:11pm
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Edward Cullen to the rescue, all will be well

Joking aside, this could actually work quite well.
Yeah, I think it could work beautifully. This is something that every celebrity should use as an advantage - helping others, and letting your fans with wallets see that you're helping others - and leading by example. Let this guy use his celebrity in a responsible manner. Besides, with all the pointless crap that Twilight fans spend their money on, they'll spend it on something worthwile if Pattinson says "Please donate."
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post #72 of 102
1/19/10 at 3:14pm
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Such a class act.

Also nice to see something good coming out of that Twilight bullshit.
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post #73 of 102
1/19/10 at 3:16pm
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People are complaining that if you donate via text, the money could be held up for a month or two due to billing cycles and such. It's not like the Red Cross has no money to help Haiti right now and couldn't use more in a month or two, so I don't see a problem with this.
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post #74 of 102
1/19/10 at 3:33pm
So glad to see a piece of good news
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post #75 of 102
1/19/10 at 7:58pm
Haiti: Six days later. Some very graphic photos inside.
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post #76 of 102
1/19/10 at 8:18pm
Those photos are heartbreaking. How does a country ever come back from something like this?
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post #77 of 102
1/19/10 at 8:25pm
The folks trapped in the rubble who asphyxiated or died of dehydration, or are currently dying of dehydration ... the scope of the devastation is almost incomprehensible.
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post #78 of 102
1/19/10 at 9:17pm
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Haiti: Six days later. Some very graphic photos inside.
That kind of makes me feel like I've been hit over the head with a club. Wow...
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post #79 of 102
1/19/10 at 9:37pm
My god... those pictures are just indescribable.
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post #80 of 102
1/20/10 at 12:03pm
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6.1 aftershock today. That'll keep things nice and calm.
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post #81 of 102
1/20/10 at 12:11pm
That ain't no aftershock. Jeez!
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post #82 of 102
1/20/10 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by ryoken View Post
Edward Cullen to the rescue, all will be well

Joking aside, this could actually work quite well.
On the other hand...

http://gawker.com/5451086/john-travo...eople-of-haiti
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post #83 of 102
1/20/10 at 2:40pm
I love Scientology. It's like the ultimate performance art comedy. Any of you fellas can hook me up? I have some very good ideas on where to go next. Some of them even include fart pillows and exploding cigars.
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post #84 of 102
1/20/10 at 4:07pm
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I see your meddling wacko and raise you a preposterous churcher...
U.S. group sends solar-powered Bibles to Haiti
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post #85 of 102
1/20/10 at 4:14pm
Oh wow ... a crime against humanity ... they're sending solar powered Bibles to a population that is 96% Christian!!!

That's kind of cool, I wonder if you can hack them for other audio books ...
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post #86 of 102
1/20/10 at 4:16pm
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You can't eat, drink, or take shelter in a Bible.
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post #87 of 102
1/20/10 at 4:22pm
But you can listen to it, take comfort in it (if you are a believer) or otherwise just pass the time.

I checked their website really quick, that's what they do. They're not the word food program, they provide mp3 Bibles as their ministry. As long as they're not getting in the way or sucking up resources from the basic necessities, I don't see the problem at all.
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post #88 of 102
1/20/10 at 4:50pm
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But you can listen to it, take comfort in it (if you are a believer) or otherwise just pass the time.

I checked their website really quick, that's what they do. They're not the word food program, they provide mp3 Bibles as their ministry. As long as they're not getting in the way or sucking up resources from the basic necessities, I don't see the problem at all.
I dunno, I think religion could be the last thing a great mass of desperate people need. Too many variables...it could be harmless, or it could drum up hysteria, especially when you listen to those commandments like "Thou shall not steal." But basically all I can say is, I would like to see people try something different, and keep missionary work out of the equation for once, when these tragedies happen. Something new! Besides, Jesus Christ people, how much destruction does it take for you to lose faith in God? I'm always amused by how somebody, who may have seen everyone they've ever loved fucking die, in horrible ways, not transform into a great nihilist or existentialist or something other than believing in a guy in the sky who may have ruined your life - for a purpose! Hey, why don't some government troops kill your fucking family? It must be foretold!
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post #89 of 102
1/20/10 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
But you can listen to it, take comfort in it (if you are a believer) or otherwise just pass the time.
If the place is 96% christian I'd be willing to bet a shortage of bibles is not their most pressing problem.

What they should do is sell these crazy gadgets to folks like yourself so you can otherwise just pass the time, then take that money and put it towards sending food, clothing, medical supplies, reconstruction elements and all the other much more vital and immediate needs. Just think, you'd be the only one for miles with a loudspeaker bible. You certainly live in the right state for it.

Is the effort sincere? Sure. Is it a facile and hamfisted attempt at relief? Yes.
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post #90 of 102
1/20/10 at 4:58pm
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All I know is if I've been sleeping on the street for a week with no food, no water, no utilities, and I finally see a supply truck rolling in, I'm gonna be more than a little pissed when I'm handed a talking Bible, no matter how religious I am.
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post #91 of 102
1/20/10 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
If the place is 96% christian I'd be willing to bet a shortage of bibles is not their most pressing problem.
Who said it was their most pressing problem? What I'm saying is that likely they wouldn't find it offensive (like sending a bunch of Bibles to Iran after an earthquake), and that many might find it useful in that sense.

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What they should do is sell these crazy gadgets to folks like yourself so you can otherwise just pass the time, then take that money and put it towards sending food, clothing, medical supplies, reconstruction elements and all the other much more vital and immediate needs. Just think, you'd be the only one for miles with a loudspeaker bible. You certainly live in the right state for it.
They give these away, that's their ministry. Obviously you think it's not worth the time, but that's what they do. They don't sell them. I guess it'd be a bigger issue if Christians or Christian Churches as a whole weren't helping with the most important stuff in the first place, but last time I checked they are.

I would also be offended if they'd be doing this as a condition to getting food, etc. They're not doing that of course.

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Is the effort sincere? Sure. Is it a facile and hamfisted attempt at relief? Yes.
I really don't know much about this organization, but I really don't see the problem.
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post #92 of 102
1/20/10 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
All I know is if I've been sleeping on the street for a week with no food, no water, no utilities, and I finally see a supply truck rolling in, I'm gonna be more than a little pissed when I'm handed a talking Bible, no matter how religious I am.
Is that how they're distributing these? Do you know, because I don't. Are they pairing these up with other supplies?

I know that takes a bit more effort to find out or ask, it's easier to assume the worst. Obviously, the most important stuff is food, health services, shelter, etc. But spiritual support is something that I think more than a few people would appreciate, specially after surviving (meeting the basic needs). Just because you see no value in it doesn't mean it has no value for other people.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised though.
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post #93 of 102
1/20/10 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Just because you see no value in it doesn't mean it has no value for other people.
It has no objective value in the present situation, whatsoever, except possibly as firewood, toilet paper, or as a cleaning supply. It probably does have some subjective spiritual value, though. Fairytales are quite soothing.
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post #94 of 102
1/20/10 at 6:25pm
Pretty much what I said in a way, but thanks for repeating it.

Although one wonders how you are going to use something that is made out of plastic (that looks pretty much like a radio) as toilet paper, as a cleaning supply or even firewood. I guess you could use the plastic covers for the solar cells for that ... I'd love for you to share just what the heck you are doing with your old solar calculators. Maybe you can patent it.
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post #95 of 102
1/26/10 at 6:37pm
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Can the people even afford all the auditing they'd have to go through to set right all their thetan crimes against humanity?
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post #96 of 102
2/1/10 at 4:03pm
Baptists abducted 33 Haitian children for adoption. I wouldn't be surprised if their intentions were positive, yet it requires a certain deluded, shall we say...religious mindset, to justify this in one's head:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...ts-100201.html

I hate these kinds of people. The white knights in shining armor that reflects the light of Christ in the Heavens.
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post #97 of 102
2/2/10 at 2:07pm
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Overheard in a doctor's waiting room this morning: "I think they're still going to find some people alive. Because God is an awesome God."

Yeah, and willing to let people stay buried for a couple of weeks to prove it.
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post #98 of 102
2/3/10 at 2:00pm
Well, thanks to those loudspeaker bibles, at least they'll still be able to hear the word of God through all the rubble, while they
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
...listen to it, take comfort in it (if you are a believer) or otherwise just pass the time.
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post #99 of 102
2/3/10 at 2:11pm
I'm still waiting to see how Overlord wipes himself with what basically looks like a windup radio.

As for that Bible, I know you see no value in it, but that doesn't mean others don't. If you can't understand that at all that's fine, feel free to ignore it but it doesn't mean it doesn't hold any value to those people. And of course, nobody is saying this is more important than food, shelter or medical support, but there's also more to than for survivors ... and if that's what your charity provides, that's what they have.
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post #100 of 102
2/3/10 at 3:19pm
Sorry, Cap. It was a cheap shot and I know it.
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