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post #1 of 18
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I've sent about 40 copies of this CD out to the fine folks out there. Am anxious to hear your take. We used to get fun song by song breakdowns but I'll take what I get.
post #2 of 18
Is there a non-physical way I could get this?
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
I could blow one like a kiss at you, but it won't sound the same.

I guess I could put a few ZIP files together.
post #4 of 18
Thanks a million, Nick! I won't leave you in the lurch for feedback.
post #5 of 18
If you get a chance, Nick, I'd still love to hear this. I'll send you a PM with an email address, if needs be.
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
Please do!
post #7 of 18
Sent. Cheers, again!
post #8 of 18
Dear Lord, these comments are lacking. Nick, I'll do my own song-by-song breakdown by tomorrow.
post #9 of 18
DEFENESTRATION - Interesting choice for a leadoff track. I think I said earlier it was you guys going "Particle", which I still kind of think it is, but less so than before. The only thing I'm not jazzed about is that it seems unfinished. It felt like it needed a bit more guitar and keys interplay or a second melodic motif or something. But that's minor considering the curveball it is for the rest of the record.

LAKER - Favorite track hands down. Best musical hook from you guys in quite awhile. The thin guitar tone playing a pentatonic riff and quasi-rapped vocals make it a bit too Chili Peppers-ish at times, but it's so good, I don't care. Maybe the lake is your "California", and you'll make a bunch of more songs and albums about it.

LITTLE WIZARD - Second fave track and a wonderful pairing with the title track. It's so "Nightsticks", it's not even funny. The Steve riff coupled with those enthusiastic and hooky vocals...very nice.

OOLONG - Another wonderfully eerie bit of goodness. I kind of wish you'd used the motif again with vocals and and arrangement later. I think that's going to be the next level for you guys...making stuff like this and the opener into regular verse/chorus songs.

BARRENS - Not much of a fan of this one. Seems almost like an evil twin to "Little Wizard" in that it's the same tempo, but minor key and less hooky. Not dynamic enough for the full three minutes.

THE BOUNCE - Doesn't fly until the drums start picking up speed, and then it provides a much needed tempo boost to the record. Good groove heavy album track.

ANTIMATTER - Like, like, like this one. Refreshing in terms of guitar tone, riff, and being in a different key than anything else on the record. Steve's backup vocals are also much needed for contrast here. Still, this and a number of other tracks have these odd meandering instrumental parts in the middle of them where it seems like something else could've gone.

STRANGE - Good opening groove, but it kinda lacks from dynamics too.

ONE FOR ONE - Reminds me in the best way of Josh Homme's Dessert Sessions. Very refreshing and unique in this tracklisting. Steve's solo here is the BEST. Tossed off and beautiful. I really, really love it and the chorus vocals.

DETRITUS and VALHALLA- Such a strange way to do the last quarter of the record. These two songs are almost like companion pieces. They each had the potential to be epic, but you kept them scaled down. I think Detritus is the most interesting with the squiggly lead slipping in and out of major and minor key.

THE DERVISH - Love pitchshift guitar. But this feels more like a mid-album track. It also has the misfortune of being done at the same time as "Love With Splinters" which has risen in its brilliance to be tied with my number one all-time LN track "In Plain Sight" for my absolute fave.

Overall, very solid and different sounding effort from you guys. I want more of the electronic experimentation, but taken to the next level, instead of relegated to interludes. It reminds me a little of The Flaming Lips' "Embryonic" in that it's also a late period, mid-tempo, largely hookless record that gets by on ambiance and groove.
post #10 of 18
Well, that's one incredible write up. Not much else to say, except 'thank you' with splinters!
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson View Post
DEFENESTRATION - Interesting choice for a leadoff track. I think I said earlier it was you guys going "Particle", which I still kind of think it is, but less so than before. The only thing I'm not jazzed about is that it seems unfinished. It felt like it needed a bit more guitar and keys interplay or a second melodic motif or something. But that's minor considering the curveball it is for the rest of the record.
Well, the point was not to do overdubs and preserve the aura of that weekend and how raw and improvisational it was. Typically something like that would have been more layered.

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LAKER - Favorite track hands down. Best musical hook from you guys in quite awhile. The thin guitar tone playing a pentatonic riff and quasi-rapped vocals make it a bit too Chili Peppers-ish at times, but it's so good, I don't care. Maybe the lake is your "California", and you'll make a bunch of more songs and albums about it.
Laker II is being worked on now and there'll be 11 songs. Much more catchy as a whole and more aggro.

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LITTLE WIZARD - Second fave track and a wonderful pairing with the title track. It's so "Nightsticks", it's not even funny. The Steve riff coupled with those enthusiastic and hooky vocals...very nice.
It actually reminds me of 'Too Trapped' PKG.

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OOLONG - Another wonderfully eerie bit of goodness. I kind of wish you'd used the motif again with vocals and and arrangement later. I think that's going to be the next level for you guys...making stuff like this and the opener into regular verse/chorus songs.
Steve and I may do some of that stuff soon!

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BARRENS - Not much of a fan of this one. Seems almost like an evil twin to "Little Wizard" in that it's the same tempo, but minor key and less hooky. Not dynamic enough for the full three minutes.
This saddens me. John, Steve, and I are the only fans of this.

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THE BOUNCE - Doesn't fly until the drums start picking up speed, and then it provides a much needed tempo boost to the record. Good groove heavy album track.
Agreed.

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ANTIMATTER - Like, like, like this one. Refreshing in terms of guitar tone, riff, and being in a different key than anything else on the record. Steve's backup vocals are also much needed for contrast here. Still, this and a number of other tracks have these odd meandering instrumental parts in the middle of them where it seems like something else could've gone.
I wouldn't change a thing on this, but why it works for me is that the bass has a guitar sound and the split L/R creates a nice bedrock.

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STRANGE - Good opening groove, but it kinda lacks from dynamics too.
This is a mood piece and we spent a lot more time than I care to admit in having it be organic. It was originally 2 minutes long and we pressured Steve to loosen up and I love the result.

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ONE FOR ONE - Reminds me in the best way of Josh Homme's Dessert Sessions. Very refreshing and unique in this tracklisting. Steve's solo here is the BEST. Tossed off and beautiful. I really, really love it and the chorus vocals.
Steve hates this solo because we did no overdubs. I agree, it's pure.

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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson View Post
DETRITUS and VALHALLA- Such a strange way to do the last quarter of the record. These two songs are almost like companion pieces. They each had the potential to be epic, but you kept them scaled down. I think Detritus is the most interesting with the squiggly lead slipping in and out of major and minor key.
You know us. We don't think about it that way. We're like "I like the way that sounds" regardless of key.

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THE DERVISH - Love pitchshift guitar. But this feels more like a mid-album track. It also has the misfortune of being done at the same time as "Love With Splinters" which has risen in its brilliance to be tied with my number one all-time LN track "In Plain Sight" for my absolute fave.
Hey someone likes my guitar work for a change.


Thanks for the feedback. Though the experience wasn't glorious, I think I like Laker II better. I'm busting ass on making it a great vocals record, which is something I never really did much of.
post #12 of 18
Wow, Micah. Thanks for the great write ups. I fucking love this album from start to finish. It is actually the one I am most proud of. To me, it is the tightest stuff we have done. Although, I haven't heard the new stuff since we recorded.
post #13 of 18
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You should have sent 41 fucker!
Or an even 42, Jerk!
post #14 of 18
I listened to these tunes about half a dozen times back when you posted the final mp3 of the 12 and I had the complete album, I guess three months or so ago. I liked some of it but overall felt like it needed more work. Then I listened again a few times in the last couple of days and this is what I think of Laker after revisiting it and having it sink in over time. For the record my take is about 85% influenced by the music and 15% on the lyrics. That's just how I listen to rock - I do like a good set of lyrics and they do make a difference, but the meat of it for me is always the music.


Oolong doesn't leave much of an impression on me. Some fun noises but nothing that moves me emotionally or imaginatively.

Detritus sounds like travelling in an old convertable or on a bike on desert roads. It sounds nomadic. That repeating picked chord progression gives it a feeling of time passing without anything changing emotionally but the fun and unpatterned wah-wah keyboard lead evokes changing scenery along the road. When the vocal comes in near the end it feels like arrival at some roadside bar or diner, climbing out of the car or off the bike and wandering into human contact again.

Speaking of that, The Bounce has a nice sleazy vibe, like it was born in a roadhouse. There's a dirty swing to the beats and the wah gat out front is confrontational without being muscular. The bass holds the two together, linking the sex in the drumming with the fight in the gat. This one really grew on me.

I like the riff and drumming out front of Strange too, it returns to the laid back cruise of Detritus, like you've hit the road again but there's more purpose and momentum than in Detritus. The only thing I'd change if it was my song or if I was covering it would be to tighten up the middle, where it loses that momentum and becomes meandering. I don't feel like it needs to be 5:11.

Barrens is the bad guy and his gang barrelling along in the opposite direction to our guy, on an inevitable course to an unplanned rendezvous. The groove is at once swinging, swaggering, because of what the rhythm section is doing, and jagged because of the guitar riff and tone. This one gets my fight or flight engaged. There's menace in it, and a formidable fearlessness. Great track, maybe my favourite.

Defenestration doesn't really jive with the previous four songs for me (not that anyone said it's supposed to), it's a song set in the air. It's a flying car or a ship in the atmosphere. The plucked, effected, loosey goosey keys that run from about :30 don't do much for me, but when they settle into a more widescreen vibe around 1:33 and are soon joined by that stabbing guitar is when the song lifts away from Earth for me and starts to get evocative. And it's a nice flight, nothing strenuous or aerobatic but swooping and banking and with a great view.


Little Wizard is back on the deck, on the road starting out widescreen and open-air and panoramic and continuing just as awesomely. There's a palpable joy to it that's right up my alley because of that big guitar riff that seems like a cousin of Keith Richards or Ronnie Wood might have written it. Really effective dynamics too with either full breakdowns or just the bass dropping out. The only thing I'd change would be the last 13 seconds, where the momentum dies off instead of exploding. But overall another great track, probably my equal favourite with Barrens. If there's a way it fits into the narrative in my head this song is where our guy sees a vision of gorgeousness dancing by herself, fearlessly, with quiet confident joy and strength and womanliness, in an otherwise deserted part of another roadside joint. She's dancing for herself but she's not going out of her way to be private about it. She just doesn't care who sees. But she'll let our guy buy her a drink.

Laker has that fucking sweeeeeet riff that plays perfectly with the bass and drums. I mean a fucking sweeeeeeeeeet riff. It's not until the vocal comes in that menace of Barrens becomes apparent again, like we're either back with the bad guys gang or a crooked sherriff just came in the bar. Really good song.

One For One is a confrontation, another cool riff and groove that'd be at home in Josh Homme's home to kick it off. The chorus goes RHCP-esque, but instead of being Keidisly boring like RHCP it drives onward and upward like The Lucky Nightsticks. The solo near the end is perfectly loose. Another really good, fun track.

Taken on its own Valhalla probably wouldn't grab me. The whacky keyboard lead and meandering chord riff just keep me at arms length personally, I'd end up dismissing it as too hippyish or something, because there's an earnestness that's not really my bag. But in the context of the cinematic vibe and narrative this album gives me it's almost perfect. "Looks like a good day for riding ... straight on into the horizon." There's a nice hook to that melody too, and the song overall is like a strangely laid back, almost tensionless but still captivating finale where our guy is effortlessly dealing to bad guys in an ultra slo-mo fight scene.

Antimatter is more cool riffs. The left and right panned single note gats work a treat together and then later when one breaks onto the chord riff and the other takes lead duties they compliment each other really well. One of my favourite vocal melodies on this one too. If I changed anything it'd be to run different beats. The drum pattern on this one could benefit from being as muscular as the riffs instead of that offbeat snare funking around and holding the thing back from really sinking into a satisfying groove. It's kissing the girl and riding off into the sunset, badass as a dream. Roll credits.

On The Dervish you guys bring back that RHCP vibe but it doesn't fuck things up for me. I think it's because it's RHCP by way of Meat Puppets, or some such combo. That's not to say it feels ripped off, just to pick the vibe. So it's a cool enough song, but I find that that by the time I'm getting to it at the end of the album I'm done with the narrative and in the lap of aural fatigue, so it feels unnecessary. I'd relocate it back into the middle somewhere, or maybe even just swap it with Antimatter, because The Dervish is a fight scene too.


So overall I'm glad I came back round for another trip with Laker. A lot more of it stuck two or three months after first spending time with it. If it was mine I'd cut Oolong off the front, take out Defenestration (as a stand-alone single with Oolong as b-side) and swap the positions of Antimatter and The Dervish. But I could have totally missed the point of the whole album so I'm at home to having that tracklisting suggestion ignored.


eta: I just read back to Micah's post and realised I downloaded these with a totally different track order. I don't have the cd so I worked out the track order from how you gave it in the posts about these songs. I guess it changed in between me downloading them and the cds being put together.
post #15 of 18
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I was having a very good day with some really nice things developing, but none of that make me smile like this. Thank you so much.
post #16 of 18
Yeah but now I have to know why Micah has a different track order than I do. It matters to me now, because this shit got all up inside my brain and now it seems like I might have inserted it all wrong.
post #17 of 18
Also, as much as I've come to like Laker I'm liking Laker II even more so far. Keep this shit coming.
post #18 of 18
Man, that's an incredible review. Incredible! If you ever come to town your drinks are on me.

If you don't drink, I'll STILL buy you drinks and I'll just have them.
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