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post #901 of 998
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Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
This is Charles Murray - anyone else remember the Bell Curve, back in the 90s? Back then, he was warning about the "cognitive elite," i.e., smart people.
I knew I recognized the name, and when he referenced his book in the article I stopped reading. The man's been using a slightly condescending pseudo-scientific tone to say incredibly stupid and vaguely racist things for over a decade now. He all but dismisses the impact that socioeconomic status has on one's future potential and developing intellect, thus the poor who stay poor are inherently less intelligent, thus the ridiculously white male dominated upper tiers of industry and politics are just a consequence of their greater mental abilities. This is all taken as a given. Keeping this in mind, that he fellates a caricature of rural life is almost understandable.

It's incredible that he can see a problem that exists in that there really is a tremendous amount of intellectual inbreeding once you cross a certain financial threshold, but then he swings and misses hard enough to spin around ass backwards.
post #902 of 998
Never have I been more proud to be an elitist.

They can have their fucking left behind...I'll stick with Chabon, Pynchon, Eco, and McCarthy, thanks. And the occasional Patrick Rothfuss novel.
post #903 of 998
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Originally Posted by Umami View Post
Of the multitude of things that drive me absolutely crazy about the tea party, I think the big one is what total hypocrites they are when it comes to classism. They are constantly drawing class lines in our national dialog ("Those arugula-eating city dwellers don't understand REAL America!"), & yet they have the nerve to call EVERYONE ELSE "elitists". What a bunch of fucking dickheads.
Just the fact that these drooling, mouth-breathing, illiterate, superstitious, hateful, bigoted, ignorant, lazy, with grease puring from their pores instead of sweat and three day old leftovers still left rotting in their pig like mouths, chose to pick up on fucking arugula as a symbol of an elite cut off from the real people, shows the true depths of their terminal stupidity. These stupid liberal elites from Rouseau and Paine onwards should have never spent all this effort trying to help them rise from the mud they lived in. They never deserved a better lot in life.
post #904 of 998
I’m not certain, as it may have been a dream, but I believe I recently lived through a period of time where criticizing a president during a time of war was considered treasonous, and where refrains of “America, if you don’t like it you can get the hell out,” were omnipresent. I could be wrong, though. I was hob-knobbing with my fellow blue-bloods at a university in the north east at the time.
post #905 of 998
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
Just the fact that these drooling, mouth-breathing, illiterate, superstitious, hateful, bigoted, ignorant, lazy, with grease puring from their pores instead of sweat and three day old leftovers still left rotting in their pig like mouths, chose to pick up on fucking arugula as a symbol of an elite cut off from the real people, shows the true depths of their terminal stupidity.
Come on Stelios, they can't afford to go to those expensive elite grocery stores that stock arugula, like Kroger.
post #906 of 998
Unlike most people here, I HAVE read several Left Behind books (granted, it was about eight years ago), and they're really poorly written and ridiculously heavy-handed. If that's the sort of thing that makes one an average American, THEN I DO NOT WISH TO BE IN THAT CATEGORY.
post #907 of 998
The witch burners really are out and proud in America after the last 9 years aren't they. It's beyond scary, it's just very very sad.
post #908 of 998
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Originally Posted by Admiral Shark View Post
Unlike most people here, I HAVE read several Left Behind books (granted, it was about eight years ago), and they're really poorly written and ridiculously heavy-handed. If that's the sort of thing that makes one an average American, THEN I DO NOT WISH TO BE IN THAT CATEGORY.
I read the first book and not only was it poorly written and boring, it openly advocated Terrorism against "Satanists" aka anyone who doesn't Believe aka "non-Christians"
post #909 of 998
Anyone who wants to know what's wrong with the Left Behind books needs to read this. The whole thing, if neccessary.
post #910 of 998
A bunch of Rand Paul supporters threw a woman down and stomped on her head.

Animals. These fucking people are animals.

TPM has the details.
post #911 of 998
Wait....."arugula" is rocket? Fucking Hell, that stuff is like 50p a bag over here and is in almost every cheap storebought sandwich. It's cheaper than lettuce, for Christ's sakes.
post #912 of 998
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post
A bunch of Rand Paul supporters threw a woman down and stomped on her head.

Animals. These fucking people are animals.

TPM has the details.
CNN has it up, too. "Shockingly" Fox News has no mention of it. Of course I'm sure in a few weeks they'll be saying it was all a set-up by MoveOn ("They" being Faux News).
post #913 of 998
Was she wearing a wig or something? Not that that absolves anyone of anything, but I can see people latching on to that as some bizarre reason for her deserving what she got.

Even if that was some kind of official security detail for Paul -- which it's clearly not -- that's way over the line. That wasn't done out of concern for Paul's safety, that was done out of pure malice.
post #914 of 998
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Originally Posted by Jmacq1 View Post
CNN has it up, too. "Shockingly" Fox News has no mention of it. Of course I'm sure in a few weeks they'll be saying it was all a set-up by MoveOn ("They" being Faux News).
Or MoveOn member attacks Real American's boot with face!
post #915 of 998
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post
Or MoveOn member attacks Real American's boot with face!
I'm thinking more along the lines of: "Brave American Patriots Protect Rand Paul from Evil Nazi Progressive."
post #916 of 998
Amazing how conservatives are defending this on other sites. But then I remembered it's probably because it reminds them of their favorite scene from "American History X".

EDIT: Forgot to add the complete movie title which at the very least should get me a foot to head nudging.
post #917 of 998
Or they'll point to the incident mentioned at the end of the piece and say, "See, both sides do it!" But tell me, which one could have been an accident and which one is nothing but deliberate?
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And it still doesn't change the fact that they would be justifying mob violence.
post #919 of 998
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Originally Posted by Umami View Post
And it still doesn't change the fact that they would be justifying mob violence.
And it still doesn't change the fact that no conservatives seem to give a shit. Remember, according to Conservative Rules, unless you're actively denouncing something, you approve of it (just ask any Muslim that hasn't spend the last nine years constantly denouncing 9/11). So where is the conservative denouncement?

You get the feeling these fuckers enjoy this kind of violence.
post #920 of 998
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
God, I hate the Left Behind books, and I've read six of them!

Also, Drew Carey replaced Bob Barker on the Price Is Right, and his run so far can charitably be described as controversial. I haven't watched Oprah, but that's because she's a very smart lady who is also a quack who pushes fringe science and pseudo-spirtual bullshit on her audience for every time she yanks Cormac McCarthy out of solitude for an interview or smacks down James Frey.

I grew up in a small town in the rust belt, but I DID go to an elite private high school. Since I started working full-time in 2005, I haven't made more than 20 thousand dollars a year, which I guess puts me below the poverty line. I've worked in rural America, in towns with one stoplight and in inner-city schools like in Akron, Ohio. I like country music and Budweiser to go with my penchant for the New Pornographers and Jameson's.

I also disagreed with the war on Iraq, am a miltant supporter of women's and gay rights, and describe myself as "liberal." And yeah, I watch Mad Men, live in a nice Jew York, my best friend's a lawyer, and I'm dating a law student.

But what sets me is that I'm not satisfied with my station in life. I want more, and I want a better life than the one I have right now. That's the reason why I'm going back to college to complete my degree after six years. I could work retail or outdoor education for the rest of my life -- but I don't want that for myself, and I'm going to work just as hard as someone on the factory floor to get it. I agree with Richard -- that's the American dream, and that makes me just as much an American as people who like Tim LaHaye.

In short: Go fuck yourself. Goddamn I'm mad now.
post #921 of 998
I'm almost too exhausted to be angry at this point, which I'm sure is part of The Plan.
post #922 of 998
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I'm almost too exhausted to be angry at this point, which I'm sure is part of The Plan.
This raises a good question: have we ruled out Cylon involvement with the Tea Party?
post #923 of 998
Well, Paul made a pretty adamant condemnation of what happened.

And by "stirring", I mean pretty fucking non-existent.

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Well, we want everybody to be civil. We want this issue -- the campaign to be about issues. I will tell you that when we arrived, there was enormous passion on both sides. It really was something where you walk into a daze of lights flashing, people yelling and screaming, bumping up. And there was a bit of a crowd control problem. And I -- I don't want anybody to be involved, though, in things that aren't civil. I think this should always be about the issues, and is an unusual situation to have so many people so passionate on both sides, jockeying back and forth.

And it wasn't something that I liked or anybody liked about that situation. So I hope in the future it's going to be better.
Maybe, considering what happened, he's afraid to put his foot down.
post #924 of 998
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
God, I hate the Left Behind books, and I've read six of them!

Also, Drew Carey replaced Bob Barker on the Price Is Right, and his run so far can charitably be described as controversial. I haven't watched Oprah, but that's because she's a very smart lady who is also a quack who pushes fringe science and pseudo-spirtual bullshit on her audience for every time she yanks Cormac McCarthy out of solitude for an interview or smacks down James Frey.
So twice then, in a 30 odd year career. That's not bad. Probably shouldn't hold it against her.
post #925 of 998
Any other basic, long-standing precepts you'd like to chuck while you're at it?

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WASHINGTON -- Colorado Republican Senate candidate and Tea Party favorite Ken Buck last year said he "strongly" disagrees with one of the bedrock principles of American society: the separation of church and state.

"I disagree strongly with the concept of separation of church and state," said Buck at a forum for GOP Senate candidates last year. "It was not written into the Constitution. While we have a Constitution that is very strong in the sense that we are not gonna have a religion that's sanctioned by the government, it doesn't mean that we need to have a separation between government and religion. And so that, that concerns me a great deal."
Because of course NO ONE will see the government as officially sanctioning whatever religion you decide to make a part of it, now will they?
post #926 of 998
Jack, I'm not sure how to interpret your posts, but Oprah has a long and storied history of promoting fringe science, quacks like Jenny McCarthy and her anti-vaccination crusade or Susanne Sommers and her anti-cancer treatment doggerrel, and snake oil salesman like Rhonda Byrne and her "Secret."
post #927 of 998
EDIT: Double post.
post #928 of 998
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Well, Paul made a pretty adamant condemnation of what happened.

And by "stirring", I mean pretty fucking non-existent.
Ya know, maybe it's me, but with all the extra paid to the "Greatest Generation" and their efforts to save the the world from The Axis, how come where not hearing from them know that that brand of dark batshit is taking root here?

Are all of them holding Gadsden Flags at Tea Party rallies?
post #929 of 998
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
Ya know, maybe it's me, but with all the extra paid to the "Greatest Generation" and their efforts to save the the world from The Axis, how come where not hearing from them know that that brand of dark batshit is taking root here?

Are all of them holding Gadsden Flags at Tea Party rallies?
No. I'd say they're saying it, but we're not hearing them because the only "Angry Americans [tm]" the media is interested in interviewing is the kind that gets pre-approved by FreedomWorks.
post #930 of 998
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Jack, I'm not sure how to interpret your posts, but Oprah has a long and storied history of promoting fringe science, quacks like Jenny McCarthy and her anti-vaccination crusade or Susanne Sommers and her anti-cancer treatment doggerrel, and snake oil salesman like Rhonda Byrne and her "Secret."
Yeah. I was being pedantic with your wording. Seemed to me like you were saying that years of quackery was mitigated by two things.
post #931 of 998
I can't wait for the backlash once these "Tea Party" candidates get in power and become regular politicians. If you think the backlash against Obama by the left is bad, just sit back and grab some popcorn.....
post #932 of 998
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post
A bunch of Rand Paul supporters threw a woman down and stomped on her head.

Animals. These fucking people are animals.

TPM has the details.
I guess there's nothing in the constitution about freedom from being able to lift your head off the pavement. Therefore, to prosecute these Teabaggers would be unconstitutional. [/pretzel logic]
post #933 of 998
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Originally Posted by dynamotv View Post
I can't wait for the backlash once these "Tea Party" candidates get in power and become regular politicians. If you think the backlash against Obama by the left is bad, just sit back and grab some popcorn.....
"They're just working within the constraints of the system. They can't change things overnight." You know, all the arguments that apply to Obama but don't get applied.
post #934 of 998
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
"They're just working within the constraints of the system. They can't change things overnight." You know, all the arguments that apply to Obama but don't get applied.
In exactly the same way that the same people criticising Obama now for his big government anti-constitutional anti-american administration were happily silent pigs in shit under Bush.

It's cute that some people still think you can expect any sort of sensible reaction to facts and reality from people like these, but at this point I think it;s time to realise that they don;t believe in a single thing outside of the 'team' they've decided they barrack for winning the congressional superbowl this year. Once they're in who cares what promises they do or don't live up to - we beat them durn liberals ra-ra.

Truly, the level of intellectual dishonesty on display from these people is fucking staggering.
post #935 of 998
Tim Profitt, Rand Paul Supporter, Admits To Confronting Woman At Debate

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A volunteer with Rand Paul's Senate campaign has admitted to placing his shoe firmly on the face of a MoveOn.org volunteer outside a Senate debate on Monday night, but insisted that the camera angle of the footage that captured the altercation made the scuffle look worse than it was.

post #936 of 998
'Cause really, there's a perfectly okay way of putting your shoe in someone's face.
post #937 of 998
That video's totally fucked in the head. It looks like he wanted to curb her.
post #938 of 998
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post
This raises a good question: have we ruled out Cylon involvement with the Tea Party?
No! Honest!
post #939 of 998
Over on PZ Meyers' Pharyngula blog, this particular comment about the video jumped out at me:

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I've tried to avoid Godwinning discussions of the teabaggers, but something has to be said: I believe the tea-baggers are, at long last, the American Nazi Party.

In 1920, the German people were coming off a terrible, really confusing defeat and facing a general economic crisis. Huge masses of peoplewere left unemployed and humiliated. Every institution they took for granted, the Monarchy, the army, Bismarck's welfare state, had failed them and left the masses floundering.
It was in this desperate state that the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei was founded by half a dozen grumbling losers. And it was in this atmosphere of betrayal and decay that they would flourish.
The main complaints of the early party were economic grievances, laced with the anti-semitism typical of the Europe of the day. There was a sense that Germany had been betrayed and stolen away by wretched traitors.
Rather than do some work and develop a valid context for their suffering (the American entry to the war, the Kaiser's criminal ambition, the remorseless British blockade, decency and common sense breaking out when the war was plainly lost, etc.) they cast about for easy villains like Jews and the "November Criminals."

All the incipient Nazis were waiting for was a leader.

Folks, I swear I try really hard to not drag Nazi comparisons into online discussions, but I think my assessment above is accurate and it's REALLY IMPORTANT we recognize the stakes here. It really IS worth stomping heads in the gutter. Trillions of dollars and control of America's power for decades are on the line. Why doesn't the stomping ever seem to go in the opposite direction?

It's almost like it isn't worth a bloody nose.
Blowing it out of proportion? I don't know, but it certainly seems less implausible as the weeks drag on.

The whole tea party movement has moved beyond pissing me off to creeping me the fuck out. Anyone else here read Richard K Morgan's "Thirteen" ("Black Man" outside of the US) and remember its depiction of the splintered US? This is NOT the sci-fi novel I want coming true, goddammit.
post #940 of 998
Got a couple of more links from that comment thread...holy shit:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/arti...he_Deserved_It

(This one's old, but I missed it the first time around) http://barefootandprogressive.blogsp...s-militia.html
post #941 of 998
Sometimes I wish the internet got sucked up into a bigger, blacker black hole then what it already has become.
post #942 of 998
Okay, those were scary. But this? This is fucking terrifying.

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According to Paxton, there are three quick questions that let you know you've crossed that fail-safe line beyond which an emerging fascist regime has too much power to be stopped:

1. Are [neo- or protofascisms] becoming rooted as parties that represent major interests and feelings and wield major influence on the political scene?

2. Is the economic or constitutional system in a state of blockage apparently insoluble by existing authorities?

3. Is a rapid political mobilization threatening to escape the control of traditional elites, to the point where they would be tempted to look for tough helpers in order to stay in charge?

If the answer to all three is "yes," you're probably on for the rest of the ride, which can run for at least a decade or two before it burns through.

A year ago, I noted that we were already three for three on these questions. Now, the "yes" answers are far more resounding. With over 70 Tea Party candidates running for major state and federal offices on the ballot this November, it's fair to say that the 2010 election is shaping up as a national referendum on the Tea Party's future viability. And if they succeed at winning enough of these races, it may very well be the last vote on the subject we ever get.
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Really? Are you serious?

It's fair to wonder if the Tea Party deserves to be taken this seriously. After all, there's always been this faction in US politics -- the 10-12% rightwing authoritarian hard core that fueled McCarthyism and the Bircher movement and the Moral Majority; that voted for Goldwater and then George Wallace and even put KKK leader David Duke into office for a time. The far right has always been with us. It's one of the constants in our political landscape.

But they've always been a fringe movement, and it's mostly kept to itself. What's different now is that all the crazy ideas of the radical right -- climate and evolution denialism, banning contraception, sovereign citizenship, End Times theology, white nationalism, all of it -- have been catalyzed by the magic of the Internet and widespread economic disaster into one coherent mass subculture that, according to a Wall Street Journal poll released yesterday, has attracted a full 35% of the country's likely voters. According to Chip Berlet of Political Research Associates, the Tea Parties are a broad movement that brings together several preexisting formations on the political right:

-- Economic libertarians who worry about big government collectivist tyranny

-- Christian Right Conservatives who oppose liberal government social policies

-- Right-wing apocalyptic Christians who fear a Satanic New World Order

-- Nebulous conspiracy theorists who fear a secular New World Order

-- Nationalistic ultra-patriots concerned that US sovereignty is eroding

-- Xenophobic anti-immigrant white nationalists who worry about preserving the “real” America.

This unification of right-wing forces around radical far-right ideas has never happened on anything like this scale in modern American history. And it's why we need to recognize the Tea Party as something unique under the political sun -- and seriously evaluate the future that awaits us if it becomes any more powerful.
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That future is a painful thing to contemplate. I've been called an alarmist for even daring to use the F-word to describe the situation we're facing. But that's one of the universal hallmarks of fascism: by the time everybody finally wakes up and realizes that they're in it, it's usually too late to do anything about it. Here's how Milton Mayer described his experience of this as the Nazi thrall descended in Germany:

In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic.

And yet the day comes when it's all too clear, Mayer writes -- and on that day, it's too late to stand up.

Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.

There are only a few days left before the election. Whatever you do between now and then will be a small matter -- a matter of making a few phone calls, of knocking on some doors, of following up with friends. And yet any compromise now could be the one we will remember with breaking hearts five years from now, when the country we knew is gone, and our future has been seized by people who represent the worst of everything we are.

Be the one who sees where this is taking us. Be the one who stands while you still can. The future these people have in mind for us is one that dozens of countries have already lived through; and all of them will carry the scars for centuries. It's not fascism yet; but if the Tea Party manages to get its hands on the levers of power, it will be.
post #944 of 998
So busy at work I've been barely paying attention to politics and I try to catch up and see the craziest candidates ever yapping away on the TV.

Worse of all, there's an incredible close race in Florida for governor where the GOP (pseudo-Tea Party sponsored?) candidate who could win has the balls to run after he was the CEO and founder of the company charged with the largest health care fraud fines in the history of the country.

WTF?!?!?!?
post #945 of 998
Financial Times
Tea Party survey shows fear of minorities

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Members of the Tea Party, the burgeoning conservative movement whose membership is overwhelmingly white, feel they are losing ground to African-Americans and other minority groups, according to analysts who conducted a wide-ranging survey of the attitudes of its members.

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Almost two-thirds – 64 per cent – of people who identify as members of the movement agreed “it is not really that big a problem if some people have more of a chance in life than others”, compared with 41 per cent of the general population.

Almost as many – 58 per cent – said that African-Americans and other minorities were getting too much attention from the government, much higher than the national average of 37 per cent, the poll found.

[...]

The poll found activists were mostly social conservatives, rather than the general belief that they are libertarians. Almost two-thirds said that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, while only 18 per cent said they supported gay marriage.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/52560e54-d...44feabdc0.html
post #946 of 998
"Almost two-thirds – 64 per cent – of people who identify as members of the movement agreed “it is not really that big a problem if some people have more of a chance in life than others”, compared with 41 per cent of the general population."

Yeah, that's only seems fine when you're in the part of the population that has more of a chance in life than others. Douchebags.

Was that too harsh? I don't know.
post #947 of 998
So Mr. American History X wants the person he stepped on to apologize to him.

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"She's a professional at what she does," Profitt said, "and I think when all the facts come out, I think people will see that she was the one that initiated the whole thing."
Yep, she went there with the intent of getting her head stepped on. Which I guess makes you an even bigger idiot for falling for her master plan.
post #948 of 998
"If you want a picture of the future, Winston..."

post #949 of 998
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
So Mr. American History X wants the person he stepped on to apologize to him.



Yep, she went there with the intent of getting her head stepped on. Which I guess makes you an even bigger idiot for falling for her master plan.
What a deplorable, ignorant shithead. I hope a piano lands on this guy.
post #950 of 998
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
So busy at work I've been barely paying attention to politics and I try to catch up and see the craziest candidates ever yapping away on the TV.

Worse of all, there's an incredible close race in Florida for governor where the GOP (pseudo-Tea Party sponsored?) candidate who could win has the balls to run after he was the CEO and founder of the company charged with the largest health care fraud fines in the history of the country.

WTF?!?!?!?
Florida is already half-way down the tubes, and if Rick Scott and Marco Rubio are elected they're going help Florida beat California to Third World status. The only reason someone like a Rick Scott (who had to pay a BILLION DOLLAR FRAUD SETTLEMENT) or a Meg Whitman spend $100,000,000+ of their own cash for governor campaigns is because they fully expect to make that money back and then some while in office by draining the system for all it has left, and making every underhanded deal that's placed before them.

And that Tea Party organizer asking for an apology from the woman he curb-stomped is taking a page out of Ginni Thomas' playbook by asking for an apology from someone they irrationally view as sub-human, there fore they are in the wrong for challenging their white masters (oops, did I just make it race thing?). Minorities and women must be seen and not heard as far as those people go. And by "those" people I mean old white crackers.
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