I DO have bad taste, and that's okay. - Page 4

All this thread is showing me is that I have really bad taste.

I don't want to give away my favorite part of Dirty Work, but I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with cock.

Oh calm down, kids.

HOUNDS!!!!

I guess to be fair, the first time I saw Boondock Saints, I didn't hate it, but then again I was really tired and a little drunk, so, hey, dudes shooting bad dudes, great. The more I thought about it later, the more it quickly deconstructed itself into being pretty shitty.

I will never understand the disproportionate hatred that movie receives. I get that it's not the best, it borrows shamelessly, Duffy is a douche, etc... so I will say it might not be in the best taste. But the HOUNDS!? Really?

Fuck that shit, I will use TWO HANDGUNS on them.

The reason why I'm sort of ashamed of liking Dirty Work and Blades of Glory is that they're the textbook examples of mediocre films from SNL alums. Both films are essentially 5-6 killer extended sketches connected by mediocre to horrible filler.

With Dirty Work, the killer moments are the the freakout scene with Sandler, the shootout, the prison scene, and every scene involving Chris Farley. Most of the rest if forgettable at best.

In Blades of Glory, it's the setup, the scene that establishes the incestuous relationship between the villains, and every scene involving Craig T. Nelson.

"Aha! I bet you weren't expecting my faithful army of whores!"

"I've seen so many dead prostitutes in my life!"

"Lord knows I have..."

Oh, and also? Punisher: War Zone is one of the most fun movies I've ever seen.

I really like both Fantastic Four films.

This just sounds like someone hasn't seen Night at the Roxbury, or Superstar, or Corky Romano. Dirty Work has a rather unique (and genuinely funny) voice, and Blades is decent enough, but suffers from not being Anchorman and having Jon Heder, possibly the world's most chokeable living "actor" as a leading man.

Edit: This post in no way advocates the viewing of A Night at the Roxbury, Superstar, Corky Romano, or any combination thereof.

War Zone is fucking amazing and anyone who dislikes it is a fucking nazi.

It is a shitty, shitty movie - and the violence doesn't really go far enough in my view. But I will say this movie has a reason to exist if only for this moment.

Hmm. I may have to watch Death to Smoochy again.

Yeah, I actually really don't like War Zone. But that scene and the "Damn it, Castle!" moment got enough riotous laughter from the audience I saw it with that it nearly forced me to giving it a passing grade. Not quite enough though.

As for the Fantastic Fours, I like the first one fine - its good fun and Chris Evans is pretty great in it.

The second one has nothing worthwhile apart from Doug Jones. The rest of it is an enormous waste of potential.

ETA: That first sentence is mangled beyond repair. Sorry about that.

I have a fucking blast everytime I catch "Screwed" on cable; it doesnt reach "Dirty Work" levels of love, but Danny De Vito and Dave Chappelle make me enjoy that movie far more than I should.
Any movie where Dave Chappelle bashes someone's head in with a desk lamp and Danny de Vito plays Jack Lord's number one fan deserves a little love.

ok noted who the nazi faggots here are

Maybe this counts as bad taste. I think it's good taste, but I'm so outnumbered by folks who differ.

I hated the original Matrix when I saw it in the theater. It took seeing Matrix Reloaded to turn me around on the entire series. I loved loved LOVED Matrix Reloaded. It's just a blast from frame one all the way though to the end. I love the wire-fu, the outfits, the villains, the Yoda-like obscurity of the Oracle. I love all the fights, even the much maligned Burly Brawl makes me chortle with it's ever-escalating difficulty for Neo (I think it's a deliberate attempt to address the cliche that when a hero has multiple opponents they will attack one by one).

Oh. I love the Twins, and Persephone, and the Merovingian and his farty frenchiness. I love that Cadillac that Trinity drives. I love the car flipping mayhem of the highway sequence.

I also like Matrix Revolutions: I dig Link's arc with his girlfriend waiting for his return, I love the brutal and bloody fight with Smith as Neo and Trinity fly towards the machine city. I love the moment when the vehicle pierces the cloud cover and sees blue sky for one moment, and Neo's final fight with Smith in the Rain (esp the crater scene). I love the heroic funeral barge scene (made me sniffle up) among the machines, and the magic sunrise at the end. (Oh, and I also love little Sati and her family, and the Trainman).

In fact, the first movie is still my least favorite of the series, even though Reloaded and Revolutions have seduced me into liking it better. I think it's because I was always uncomfortable with the Columbine High School vibe of the first one, the a-moral "beyond good and evil" attitude towards blowing away civilians (yes, civilians are being slaughtered in the highway fight in Reloaded, but it isn't so brutally personal there ... in THE MATRIX normal humans with faces are brutally blown away by the good guys using guns, and I find that disturbing). I also don't like the freak-show club scene in Matrix ... one thing I don't like about REVOLUTIONS was a rehash of both the Columbine High School vibe when Trinity and Seraph shoot up another lobby, and the freak-show leather club scene, when Trinity and Seraph crash the Merovingian's party.

Oh, and the Rave scene in RELOADED? Doesn't bother me.

BusterG, ladies and gentlemen!

Luca, I'm with you. WAR ZONE should only be in this thread if people are hating on it. THAT'S bad taste.

Is BusterG aware that Matrix came out before Columbine?

I assumed BusterG was saying such a similar scene as to the one in the first film, rehashed in the second, was slightly creepy in light of the events that occured at Columbine.

There's further proof that BusterG is a tasteless troll.

I had an English professor that told our class that the original Matrix was a handbook for psychopathy, thus ending (with complete and utter disdain) a really great debate over the film's philosophy. God, he needed a good punching.

Bringing up Punisher: War Zone in this thread is wrong for two reasons. It's a fun film that succeeds in what it sets out to achieve: bloody, supremely watchable mayhem. Also, it's obviously tongue-in-cheek.* Most of the time, if someone gets a chair-leg in the eye or blown apart or whatever, it was probably meant to make you laugh (at least, on some level.) It's not like Zack and Miri Make A Porno where a film is conceived as a comedy and almost completely fails to deliver any laughs.

* There really shouldn't be any doubt about this, but, if there is, watch Lexi Alexander or Ray Stevenson talk about it. Or just watch Doug Hutchison and Dominic West's performances again.

I prefer Emmerichs Godzilla-in-Name-only over Godzilla: Final Wars.

I completely confess to FREDDY GOT FINGERED. Rip Torn is a clone of my father, has the same name, they both like sailboats and have bad tempers. It's weird

21 days before Columbine, actually. I don't know if the Columbine boys saw it, but it's a creepy coincidence.

You left yourself right in range of a "has your father ever asked you to sodomize him" joke there.

Correct. Its still not any good.

A truly bad film that I find incredibly watchable is the Christopher Walken, "lets depose a dictator for killing our 'Nam hero buddy" film McBain. I know its poorly scripted, staged, shot and acted. But goddamn I enjoy that film.

Its a one star film, but a three and a half star experience. I fully expect to be alone on this one.

isnt that the film where Walken stands on a runway and shoot a plane with a gun?
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENDOZAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

How's this for a crazy idea - that it's okay to recognise you've got shitty taste in some things here and there (we all have our weaknesses), but that maybe, just maybe, the fact that we know that something is shit and we still like it means we shouldn't fucking boast about it and revel in it - maybe we should be embarrassed to like some things - because they're shit?

Maybe on a board where we should be celebrating and discussing what's best about cinema, a thread like this perenially turning up like a bad penny isn't something to be celebrated?

Just a thought.

Thing is tho, it's not about taking ourselves or the board 'so seriously'. This isn't a joke thread - THIS is a serious thread. People aren't pretending they like shit movies, they're revelling in liking them (yet again).

It's right up there with threads where people happily state they don't like films like The Godfather or think Lawrence Of Arabia is over-rated.

These sorts of threads are as serious as a heart-attack, and I'd argue just as terrifying.

I'm not trying to be a fun hater, just offering another perspective.

Come on guys, let's just agree to disagree. No need for a meltdown here.

This is a meltdown? I'm a long way from a conniption here Im just saying that maybe there's a reason why shitty taste in certain things is worth being embarrassed about is all.

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Actually the site did that for some reason - I kept trying to edit and it kept doing it so I gave up...

...but yes... um... take that sir!

There was a thread a while back that Stormin started along these lines. It was called "Defend A Bad Movie." That thread was worthwhile because the people posting were actually putting thought into defending movies that they saw as objectively bad, but still enjoyed anyway (mine was NEWSIES, and today, I might throw DOMINO and SMOKIN' ACES into the mix). The overwhelming sentiment was very similar to what Rain Dog said above, and it's like the one thing that I agree with Nordling about: Stop looking for validation. There's no such thing as a guilty pleasure. Like what you like, but at least be able to defend it on adult terms -- and you only get one or two flicks to use the "nostalgia" excuse on.

...and Rath says it better.

Couldn't agree more sir.

I really like Dude, Where's My Car? The two leads have good chemistry, the humor goes from average stoner humor to delightfully weird with some great sight gags and from left field lines. It is also shockingly tightly plotted.

What a coincidence. Over in the "Things that make you want to kill people" thread, Devin posted one of his hate-bombs, when he said "Whenever the Bad Taste thread gets bumped." And what follows? Rain Dog, who sycophantically quotes Devin in his signature, starts lecturing people about it.

Stop being a Devin bootlicker, Rain Dog. He's a cranky asshole, and the only reason he hates threads being bumped is because it distracts people from paying attention to HIM, and his NEW ARTICLES. He's a whiner.

This Devin-spearheaded attempt to micromanage discussions on this place is one of the worst things about this place, and the wormy trolls who imitate Devin are a cancer.

Do be a good boy and shut up, would you?

I give Buster six months round here. He's not far from pulling an "its a dog" out of his arse.

Hyperbole much?

People watching Glenn Beck and nodding in zombie-like agreement is terrifying.

Film fans copping to guilty pleasures and talking about the combination of circumstances that allow them to enjoy films they acknowledge as pretty bad? Not so terrifying.

I just don't see why it's a big deal to enjoy something. Sometimes a stupid comedy is just what the doctor ordered after a bad day. Why should I hide from that, I'm comfortable enough in my own taste to know that I can get as much joy out of watching Rashomon as a do something that's a bad movie. If I like movies and can find something to enjoy why should I be ashamed of that?

I would think a board about film discussion would be open to talking about the things we love for weird reasons as much as the ones we love for textbook reasons.

As always, this kind of thread provokes mostly extremes; "this is dumb" and "this is fun." I'll not speak for anyone else, but when I've mentioned a film in here, I've not been reveling in having bad taste. The discussion didn't strike me as one intended for that.* Rather, it's one for people to share their love of movies that usually come in for a lot of heat. It's about demystifying the "shame" some folks have about chasing, say, Annie Hall with Sex Drive. Like you said, "we all have our weaknesses."

Comparing the idea behind a thread like this to one where some attention-seekers pointlessly slam classics is a bit of a stretch, though.

* "I DO have bad taste, and that's okay" not "I DO have bad taste. Check ME out!"

The problem with these threads is, more often than not, the things people select are bland and there's mostly lists, very little discussion. This is a board that celebrates the weird, off-kilter -- Chudsploitation, Grace, or the Human Centipede, anyone -- and has gone to bat for some great films that are either considered not-good or outright bad. And lest we forget The Manitou. But there's little discussion about those, because we choose instead to focus on listing reasons why Citizen Kane is boring. While I get Keith's intent, a thread with this title and this subject matter and five pages of discussion is equivalent to a giant target being the first post.