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After seven years of grim and grimmer story lines, including a superhero "civil war" that pitted Iron Man against Spider-Man and the death of Captain America, Marvel Comics will usher in a more optimistic "Heroic Age" approach in May.

"Heroes will be heroes again," says Marvel editor in chief Joe Quesada. "They've gone through hell and they're back to being good guys — a throwback to the early days of the Marvel Universe, with more of a swashbuckling feel."

The change begins with a relaunch of Avengers #1, which will reunite Iron Man, a reborn Captain America and Thor as comrades rather than foes.

With Bendis on board, anyone think we need something like this to wash the taste of Civil War out of our mouths?
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"We realize our recent storylines have been ass, and we're a few years behind the zeitgeist!" Try our new and improved Marvel, or we'll do it again in 9 months.
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If they really want to throw back to the early days of the Marvel Universe, how about only one title per character/group and no continuity-cracking year-long crossovers?
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If they really want to throw back to the early days of the Marvel Universe, how about only one title per character/group and no continuity-cracking year-long crossovers?
Fuckin' oath to this. Marvel's continuity needs to get harped on more than DC's. Messy doesn't even begin to describe it.
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"We realize our recent storylines have been ass, and we're a few years behind the zeitgeist!" Try our new and improved Marvel, or we'll do it again in 9 months.
And a brand spankin' new number 1 issue of a long-running comic*! It'll be worth something, we swear!

*For all I know they've relaunched the Avengers multiple times at this point. I'm out of the loop.
post #6 of 59
How long til Marvel starts its own professional wrestling federation with juiceheads dressed as its characters?
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If they really want to throw back to the early days of the Marvel Universe, how about only one title per character/group and no continuity-cracking year-long crossovers?
Stop making perfect sense, would ya? What, multi-week crossovers that flow into every title whether they have any bearing on the main storyline or not isn't good enough for you? 47 titles of Deadpool is TOO MUCH? What, you want everything to be easy for new readers to access, stories not mired in continuity that is so convoluted you need a CRAY to work it all out? You want comics to be fun and entertaining again?

Madness! You speak madness! And I want to subscribe to your newsletter!
post #8 of 59
Funny how he refers to the early, more optimistic storylines of times past, since he wiped them out of continuity when her forced the plot of Spider-man did a deal with THE FUCKING DEVIL JUST TO GET A DIVORCE!

Sorry, had to get that out of my chest.

I do wonder how other titles will manage to finish their dark, ambigously moral storylines in time; hell, Daredevil is running a clan of killer evil ninjas right now.

Also looking forward to the return of Angel Punisher!
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No, the whole point of the Mephisto storyline was because they didn't want Peter Parker married but they didn't want him to get a divorce. They thought it would look bad.

And making a deal with Satan to wipe out the past few years of your life so your constantly on her deathbed aunt can have a few more years of rickety misery tacked onto the end of her nine or so decades looks so much better.
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No, the whole point of the Mephisto storyline was because they didn't want Peter Parker married but they didn't want him to get a divorce. They thought it would look bad.

And making a deal with Satan to wipe out the past few years of your life so your constantly on her deathbed aunt can have a few more years of rickety misery tacked onto the end of her nine or so decades looks so much better.
Yeah...married Spider-man wasnt cool or relatable to today's youth (yes, because no kid/teen can relate to the fantasy of being a super-hero and also being married to a hot as hell redhead supermodel).
So Peter is now a slacker, twenty something still living with his aunt and between jobs, which is more relatable.
I think they should make him fatter as well, so he's more relatable to today's youth.
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And Marvel actually did let the Genius Of Alex Ross make Spidey fat:

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Man, i had forgotten all about "Earth X".
Still, if this means we get more fun and somewhat lighthearted books (like Dan Slott's "Mighty Avengers", Pak's "Incredible Hercules" and so on) then i'll be happy.
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"We realize that adult readers prefer Vertigo and non-heroe comics so we're going back to the drawing board to try and entice what should be our core audience...kids. Kids don't want comics about Norman Osborn's bastard kids with Gwen Stacy or Frankenpunisher." - Joe Q.

Just kidding, we know he'd never state the obvious. Now where was the trade of The Boys I had laying around...
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I don't get the hate for FrankenCastle. The PunisherMax series is still there. Plus monsters.
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Of course, now they're telling us that Leonardo DaVinci and Isaac Newton were agents of SHIELD and that they were actually the first to drive off Galactus....
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So, no more grim and gritty over the top stories? Guess Mark Millar might be looking for a new job, eh?
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Wolverine's a regular character in how many books now?
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How about an actual line of kids books like DC and Boom have going on? Right now Marvel has one kids book: Marvel Super Hero Squad. With DC my son gets Super Friends, Shazam, Batman: Brave and the Bold, Looney Toons, and Scooby Doo. With Boom, he gets a whole line of Disney/Pixar books.

The bad thing is they can't even really do grim and gritty that well.
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How about an actual line of kids books like DC and Boom have going on? Right now Marvel has one kids book: Marvel Super Hero Squad. With DC my son gets Super Friends, Shazam, Batman: Brave and the Bold, Looney Toons, and Scooby Doo. With Boom, he gets a whole line of Disney/Pixar books.

The bad thing is they can't even really do grim and gritty that well.
Why not make "Franklin Richards: Son of a Genius" a monthly and resurrect "Spider-man loves Mary jane" while they're at it?
"Wizard of Oz" seems like it has been a hit, though.
The Ultimate line is already fucked up the ass (although you cna tell Bendis keeps doing his best in USM, dammit), and your idea of a Marvel kids line would be great (in fact, i think i actually wrote a proposal when i was a teen for a kid/young readers Avengers book where Cap was the only adult, in charge of training a group of superpowered teens (WTF was I thinking?)
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Wolverine's a regular character in how many books now?
All of them.

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How about an actual line of kids books like DC and Boom have going on? Right now Marvel has one kids book: Marvel Super Hero Squad. With DC my son gets Super Friends, Shazam, Batman: Brave and the Bold, Looney Toons, and Scooby Doo. With Boom, he gets a whole line of Disney/Pixar books.

The bad thing is they can't even really do grim and gritty that well.
There is the Marvel Adventure line, although I think it's days may be numbered. I think they're going to be focusing on the Superhero Squad stuff from here on out.
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This is the kind of decision that could actually draw me back into superhero comics, if I weren't so certain that they'll shortly fuck it up again.

Not to mention the fact that it's still the most overpriced entertainment medium on earth. When they dump the monthly issues model, I'll check back in.
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Can't take any more Bendis.
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This is the kind of decision that could actually draw me back into superhero comics, if I weren't so certain that they'll shortly fuck it up again.
I know, I feel sorry for comic book geeks - especially Marvel ones, they seem like the world of geekery's answer to a battered spouse.

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Not to mention the fact that it's still the most overpriced entertainment medium on earth. When they dump the monthly issues model, I'll check back in.
Fucking oath - if Marvel think they're getting kids back on board with this move I think they're in for a shock - just how much pocket money do they think the average kid gets these days?
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They need to focus on manga style digest books, if you ask me. Honestly, I have no idea exactly what it'd take to get kids into a comic shop. I'd say focusing on appealing to kids is going to drive away their only audience, but those guys'll buy anything.
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I don't think even the manga approach is radical enough. They need to go to one-shot graphic novels, each story self-contained, with little to no responsibility to any over-arching continuity. Writers could focus on telling the single best story they can, without worrying about what everyone else is going to be doing in the next six months.
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Given how many fucking CD-ROM collections of entire volumes of books they released in the 90s and the earlier part of this decade, I think they're really missing the boat on digital comics. If you just count the stuff from Marvel proper that they control--i.e. their content from the 1960s onward--they have 50 years' worth of monthly content they could adapt into little mini-movies, like they are with Whedon's X-Men and the like. That could generate a ton of content and ad revenue on Hulu, iTunes, and the Marvel site. It would also offer up tons of pre-existing storylines they could polish and refine and use to introduce the younger audiences to Marvel at a low cost.
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A friend of mine is convinced that since Steve Jobs sits on the Disney board and Disney is buying Marvel, Marvel Comics on the iPad is only a matter of time.
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I hope so. Somebody has to drag comics kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
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Given how many fucking CD-ROM collections of entire volumes of books they released in the 90s and the earlier part of this decade, I think they're really missing the boat on digital comics. If you just count the stuff from Marvel proper that they control--i.e. their content from the 1960s onward--they have 50 years' worth of monthly content they could adapt into little mini-movies, like they are with Whedon's X-Men and the like. That could generate a ton of content and ad revenue on Hulu, iTunes, and the Marvel site. It would also offer up tons of pre-existing storylines they could polish and refine and use to introduce the younger audiences to Marvel at a low cost.
This is a fantastic idea - is there even the slightest hint Marvel are thinking in this direction or are they really still partying like it's 1999?
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Trust me when I say comic dealers are nervous about iPad. I'm skeptical of the possibility of children reading comics on a 500 dollar piece of technology.
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It won't be $500 forever. And it will breed knockoffs.
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But will kids really get one, even if it's 100 dollars?
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Where they'll be fucked is when Apple--very likely--uses Disney to finally break the backs of the shady as fuck textbook companies. Once that happens, just wait for every single kid in a public school to have one. Buying one $500 dollar device per student would be exponentially cheaper than buy 5-6 $100-$200 books per student per year.
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And I don't think that would be bad for schools in any way. With all the drug and weapon paranoia that's causing schools to take away student access to a locker, having all of your textbooks on an electronic pad would be a lifesaver. Carrying twenty pounds of books around in a backpack has got to suck. Plus, imagine if all of your textbooks had been searchable when you were in school.
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Now we're dealing in fantasy. No way is a public school handing out items of value to the student body they mistrust so deeply, even if it possibly saves them money in the long run.
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That's completely true. I'm still dreaming of a future school system based on Bill & Ted University.
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Once the iPad breaks the market and marvel/disney get their digital shit together, kids can read them on any tablet / netbook, which many of them already have (and do).

I'll give the "heroic age" a chance. I like Bendis and I think he's really done well with the avengers since he took over - some of the cross-overs have been a bit of a mess but some of the best comics going at the moment have resulted from them, avengers initiative and dan slott's mighty avengers in particular. If Slott's mighty is anything to go by, then I'm very hopeful.

However if they are just going to skew it young to pick up the kid market again then I'll be disappointed - as far as the avengers go, they need the core team together to link with the movie - what's the point in having an avengers movie if non of the characters are in any of your comic-book avengers teams?
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Am I the only one who pictures this guy when I read the thread title?

"Well damn them! You and me, Max, we're gonna give them back their heroes!"
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The monthly pamphlet format isn't going away entirely until there's another, thriving option that catches on with the general public. While offering monthly comics as iTunes-style downloads for 99 cents each, or whatever, makes a ton of sense to anyone with a functioning brain, the fact of the matter is that there's still a market for the pamphlets. The aging fanboy superhero audience still has a nostagia boner and seems to still believe, somewhere in the back of their minds, that their print comics are someday going to be worth oodles of money. And that audience is standing in the way of Marvel and DC moving into the new century, because there *is* still a market there, and it's better to go with the devil you know than risk everything on an unproven market you may or may not understand.

Of course, there's nothing stopping Marvel marketing to kids and non-fanboys *in addition to* their usual crowd, I'm just not sure they know how. Witness DC's "Earth One" graphic novels, or whatever they're called--right idea, terrible execution. They're still thinking like fanboys, when the audience they're trying to reach needs a different tack. Now, Disney being in charge means they might actually get some people who know how to reach a mass audience for a change.

I think the idea of offering their old material cheaply is a good one--I'd almost say post it for free online like a webcomic. Or sell it for the iPad, but as cheap as possible; try and recapture the golden days of kids buying comics en masse because they were 50 cents each. The datedness of the material would be offset by how cheap it was. And the more serious fans would still want to own the physical collections.

But I doubt Marvel or DC is that smart, even with the new era of accessibility seemingly on the horizon. It's likely going to fall to the smaller companies, or even self-publishers, to make the transition.
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But will kids really get one, even if it's 100 dollars?
What "kids" are you referring to? Granted it's been a few years since I frequented a comic chop, but when I did I rarely saw any patrons below the age of 20, and quite a few in their 30's. Most were students and/or single, so they could spend all their money on over priced monthlies.

It think the iPad could easily be a new format for comics. The cost of an iPad is about 2-3 months worth of paper comics at the current ridiculous prices.
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Yeah, but we're talking about what it would take to get kids reading comics, not about just keeping the current base. It's what we've been talking about all thread.
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I thought John Byrne said kids couldn't read.
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Now we're dealing in fantasy. No way is a public school handing out items of value to the student body they mistrust so deeply, even if it possibly saves them money in the long run.
Not really. I went to school in the meth capital of California and was a member of the most violent class in my town's middle school's history. They literally would not turn their back on us. However, they did hand out those keyboard devices that were all the rage in school in the mid-late nineties to us. You would be surprised at how much trust the prospect of improving the school budget's bottom line will buy.
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My mother teaches at a public tech magnet middle school where they provide laptops to all the students.
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New "Avengers" tittle announced:

Marvel has announced the creative team of their new Avengers title as Brian Michael Bendis and John Romita Jr., along with the release of a JRJr illustration of Bucky in his Captain America uniform.

Official Press Release

I Am An Avenger

Don’t miss the brand new Avengers #1, from the superstar creative team of Brian Bendis and John Romita Jr, this May!
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I'm calling it, six issues until the team actually gets together and fights anything.
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Not really. I went to school in the meth capital of California and was a member of the most violent class in my town's middle school's history. They literally would not turn their back on us. However, they did hand out those keyboard devices that were all the rage in school in the mid-late nineties to us. You would be surprised at how much trust the prospect of improving the school budget's bottom line will buy.
I went to to school in a shitty little suburb where we had like 10 computers for the students. Most of our books were around 5-10 years old. Maybe a progressive state like California would try something like that, but in communities where school millages are curse words I wouldn't count on it.
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Yeah, but we're talking about what it would take to get kids reading comics, not about just keeping the current base. It's what we've been talking about all thread.
And I'm saying that war was lost years ago. If kids read anything it's manga
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I went to to school in a shitty little suburb where we had like 10 computers for the students. Most of our books were around 5-10 years old. Maybe a progressive state like California would try something like that, but in communities where school millages are curse words I wouldn't count on it.
Policy-wise, California is one of the least progressive states in the union. We've had two Democratic governors in my lifetime and it shows. The state is bankrupt due to Reagan's legacies as a governor and president, the history textbooks have such a right-wing bias that they could easily be introduced as material for Colbert segments, and anything resembling a progressive perspective is completely marginalized outside of the San Francisco Bay Area and certain parts of LA.

We got the keyboard devices because the investment for such a device was cheaper than buying paper on a regular basis.
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