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CHUD Film of the month club: Days of being wild/Carnal Knowledge

post #1 of 15
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Days is the film that finally sold me on Wong Kar Wai. I'd previously tried watching Fallen Angels but couldn't get through it. Days has such a languid tone to it, it's a real character piece. York (Leslie Cheung) is a ladies man who shuts himself at the first sign of attachment and eventually ends up having two women, Su-Li Zhen (Maggie Cheung) and Mimi (Carina Lau) pushing and pulling for his affection abd Andy Lau skirting the background as a policeman.
It's on the strength of Maggie Cheung's performance that this films works like it does, her wallflower character is the perfect victim for York and we watch as she she struggles against him, only to relent then come to the realization how crippling her loneliness is, her phone booth confession is really one of the most heartbreaking scenes ever filmed. Leslie Cheung plays against his boyish good looks and delivers a great performance as a young man who eees himself as a wounded soul but really, he's just a jerk with mommy issues. Carina Lau plays her character full tilt, she's brassy, insecure and can't understand why York plays with her emotions, yet she refuses to give up. Andy Lau has a cupporting role as a policeman who ends up falling for Su-Li Zhen. Jacky Cheung also has a supporting role as York's best friend who ends up falling for Mimi.
Days is shot in a fairly classical style, it's nothing like the hyperstyle of his other films like Chungking or Fallen Angels, I wish Wong would return to this style more often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A4P6YAl3Uc

Carnal Knowledge is a film by Mike Nichols about two men, Jonathon (Jack Nicholson), who yearns for intimacy but is incapable of getting it because he sees it as a weakness and Sandy (Art Garfunkel) who spends half his life trying to understand women but really doesn't understand himself. The film charts their relationships from college to adult life.
It's Nicholson's performance that carries this film, like Days of Being Wild, his character is confident, cocky and sees himself as a ladies man in contrast to Art Garfunkel, who begins the film fairly inexperienced with women, his awkward attempts at courting his first serious girlfriend, Candice Bergman. It's the relationship with Bergen that's pivotal to both characters as Jonathon starts dating Susan behind Sandy's back and forcing her to choose between them when clearly she cares for both of them.
That's only half the film though, it's very much an actor's film, Nichol's direction isn't showy, occasionally he'll pull something out but mostly it's fairly static but that doesn't mean his direction is boring, far from it. The film is unflinching in it's depiction of Jonathon, man who can't decide whether he wants intimacy or just a great set of tits. Ann-Margaret shows up as the woman, Jonathon seemingly wants but isn't prepared to engage on her on an intimate level, she holds her own with Nicholson.
I prefer to think of this film as the second in a trilogy of films starting with Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf and ending with Closer about damaged relationships through each generation.
It's a really great film and kind of a warning not to end up like Jonathon.
post #2 of 15
Ball busters on parade.
post #3 of 15
Both are already on their way.
post #4 of 15
That's a hell of a double feature, congrats on the picks Nathan. Really impressive stuff. Now I'll leave you guys to your stuff.
post #5 of 15
Why don't you watch them and participate?
It's not like we kicked you out of here or anything. You are the one that left with no reason. More people are always welcome.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
A double header of pricks.
post #7 of 15
I'm sitting down to watch Days Of Being Wild right now.
I'll come back when finished!

Thanks again for the picks!
post #8 of 15
Fucks sake, i was 25 minutes in and i lost electricity. It just got back, but it's 1 am.
I'm gonna have to finish it next week (i'm traveling tomorrow!)
post #9 of 15
Finished it!
And while the character work and acting is very impressing, my irrational hatred towards Asian cinema took a toll and i felt completely disconnected from the film and the characters. I blame myself and the fact that i had to watch it in parts. But the language kills me, not understanding what they are saying or at least something (i don't know french or Portuguese, but i get just fine with those languages on film because of the similarities) really kills me.

I'm gonna do much better con Carnal knowledge i suppose.

Btw, am i the only one watching? Should we call this whole thing off?
post #10 of 15
I've always appreciated DAYS OF BEING WILD for being a snapshot of what Kar Wai could have been. The style and poise of his later films are there, but it lacks the sense of cool and the human focus that his later films handled so masterfully. Kar Wai becomes the ultimate humane HK director once he makes Chungking Express, yet DAYS OF BEING WILD and especially AS TEARS GO BY feel like films almost ashamed of that humanity. You can also see that element in ASHES OF TIME, although for a Wuxia film that is a very personal feeling film.
post #11 of 15
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I've never really been able to get into films like Chungking Express and Fallen Angels, the hyperstylization of those films just doesn't work for me which I guess is why I loved Days so much. It's filmed so gracefully.
York was pretty much an asshole with mommy issues, it's only at the end when Andy Lau calls him on his bullshit but by that point, York was already dying. I felt sorry for Jacky Cheung, he just wanted to be cool like York but ended up getting badly rejected by Mimi.

Wong returned to this style in The Mood for Love, Spike.
post #12 of 15
Now you see I think IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE is an amazing film because it deals with the emotional weight of films like this, albeit repressed, whilst reaching a middle ground with the stylisation of CHUNGKING EXPRESS. The elaborate walks to the rice seller are definitely stylised Kar Wai, but those fleeting glances go right back to the emotional core in his early films (and which he explores full bore in Happy, Together)
post #13 of 15
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That's interesting, I hadn't thought of it that way. I'll have to watch them again.

Both Maggie Cheung and Carina Lau present differing portraits of women, one is lonely but guarded but still unable to combat York's charms, the other is brash, loudbut still ultimately lonely. They both want to possess York, it's just Maggie that realizes how fucked up it all is.
post #14 of 15
Carnal Knowledge was fantastic. Took it as a step father of Closer. So many great lines and performances. Man, Nicholson was on fire.

Terrific to see how they always wanted what the other one had. Then they always lose interests. Candice Bergan was hot as hell, who knew. And Bobby, holy shit.

Terrific film, thanks Nathan. Great recommendations. I've enjoyed them!
post #15 of 15
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I always saw CK as the second film in an unofficial trilogy beginning with Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf and ending with Closer.
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