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post #5851 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:40pm
"Must have thought I was somebody else" amused the heck out of me.
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post #5852 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:40pm
I have to say, I don't think anyone anywhere predicted they were brought to the island to kill the smoke monster. It makes thematic and structural sense, considering the mysterious introduction of smokey in the pilot and everything that's happened so far. But the best thing about this episode and what's to come is that the hatch was a symbol for the entire process. People called it in recent weeks in this thread, but that doesn't make it less cool.
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post #5853 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:41pm
I do expect Ben will do something with those walkie talkies. And probably that C4. (Edit: The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Ben speaking a word into the walkie talkie as an attack.)

I can't tell you how good it felt to see the main characters again taking an active role in events.
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post #5854 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:44pm
Great episode. Made last week's episode a lot better in hindsight. Jack drinking the "wine" and becoming the guardian was very well done. I am loving the way the show has been winding it's way towards the final conclusion. Can't wait till Sunday night.
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post #5855 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:47pm
O'Quinn killed the scene in Jack's office. I'm going to miss him playing this character, both good and bad.
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post #5856 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:47pm
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I can't help but think that's a user name that is going to get dated remarkably quickly.
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post #5857 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:47pm
I love how they tied Jack waking up in the bamboo in the pilot to being near the source.

Count me in on believing that Ben is turning the tables on The Entity and manipulating him.
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post #5858 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:48pm
The thing that amazes me is that it never occurred to me that the finale would be about someone trying to destroy the island, which makes perfect sense.
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post #5859 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:48pm
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I have to say, I don't think anyone anywhere predicted they were brought to the island to kill the smoke monster. It makes thematic and structural sense, considering the mysterious introduction of smokey in the pilot and everything that's happened so far. But the best thing about this episode and what's to come is that the hatch was a symbol for the entire process. People called it in recent weeks in this thread, but that doesn't make it less cool.
The question I have is this. Is that why everyone was brought to the Island? Because Jacob brought Richard to the island but didn't say shit to him about killing smokey somehow. What, did it just dawn on Jacob at one point? "Brother's got to GO!"

That's possible, I guess, but I don't know...

One thing I want clarified in the finale that I ALMOST think we got tonight:

The MIB was pretending to be Jacob in the cabin, right? So how/why did anyone think they were listening to Jacob in the first place? If Richard knows where Jacob lives (the foot) how did things get confused? I really feel like that's an important thing to answer. Ben talking about summoning the smoke monster hinted at that theory, but I'd like a little more clarity.

Also, if Kate was crossed off the cave for being a mother, why weren't the Kwons? And if that means the candidate is Jin (which doesn't really make that much sense --- what, fathers don't count?) could this be the reason why Sun doesn't travel back in time? But that doesn't work either....because Kate was.

Again, really solid episode, but there are quite a few holes here. They shoulda thought this thing through a little more, is all.

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I can't help but think that's a user name that is going to get dated remarkably quickly.
He'll be in the name change thread in less then a month.
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post #5860 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:50pm
seeing Zoe get her throat cut out was great. Never was a fan and loved the quick brutal kill. haha

And Ben vs Widmore....at last....and so simple, so brief, so perfect.

And yea I'm with Ben pulling a con on Smokey.

...Where the hell did Miles go?

Also, loved Desmond just waltzing in the police station in order to get close to sayid and kate. So good. haha
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post #5861 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:50pm
RE: Ben, I think he still very much blames Widmore for Alex, which is why he lead Flocke to him. But, I don't think he's siding with Flocke. As others have posted, he always has a plan!

Do you think Widmore was visited by Jacob and he changed his ways? What was the original motivation for him? Exploit the island?
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post #5862 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:52pm
So, I guess Miles ducked into Ben's secret room behind his secret room?
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post #5863 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:53pm
I think Ben has more than proven himself to be a terrible human being, but of course he could still redeem himself in the finale. Part of me wants to see him do the wrong things, so I can always remember him as the great villain he can be.

Loved this episode so damn much. Pretty wild watching great LOST after last week's "Across the Sea."
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post #5864 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:56pm
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RE: Ben, I think he still very much blames Widmore for Alex, which is why he lead Flocke to him. But, I don't think he's siding with Flocke. As others have posted, he always has a plan!

Do you think Widmore was visited by Jacob and he changed his ways? What was the original motivation for him? Exploit the island?
This is what I think:

Widmore wanted to exploit the island. Jacob came to him and let him know the stakes were too great to focus on his vendetta against Ben. Widmore has a change of heart. Ben still kills him.
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post #5865 of 7883
5/18/10 at 11:58pm
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Do you think Widmore was visited by Jacob and he changed his ways? What was the original motivation for him? Exploit the island?
I think it's simpler than that. He was obsessed with it after Ben kicked him out and wanted it back. Or, in the very least, wanted Ben removed from it, come hell or high water.

As for whether Jacob showed up to him, I buy it. It explains the way he was helping Locke out after he came from the Island, talking about a war that was coming. He seemed to have been singing a very different tune at that point. It seems like a scene we probably should have...seen. But oh well.
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post #5866 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:00am
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Originally Posted by Sonic Boom View Post
O'Quinn killed the scene in Jack's office. I'm going to miss him playing this character, both good and bad.
Yeah O'Quinn is probably one of the only actors who could have pulled off what he did with that character(s).


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The question I have is this. Is that why everyone was brought to the Island? Because Jacob brought Richard to the island but didn't say shit to him about killing smokey somehow. What, did it just dawn on Jacob at one point? "Brother's got to GO!"

That's possible, I guess, but I don't know...

One thing I want clarified in the finale that I ALMOST think we got tonight:

The MIB was pretending to be Jacob in the cabin, right? So how/why did anyone think they were listening to Jacob in the first place? If Richard knows where Jacob lives (the foot) how did things get confused? I really feel like that's an important thing to answer. Ben talking about summoning the smoke monster hinted at that theory, but I'd like a little more clarity.

Also, if Kate was crossed off the cave for being a mother, why weren't the Kwons? And if that means the candidate is Jin (which doesn't really make that much sense --- what, fathers don't count?) could this be the reason why Sun doesn't travel back in time? But that doesn't work either....because Kate was.

Again, really solid episode, but there are quite a few holes here. They shoulda thought this thing through a little more, is all.



He'll be in the name change thread in less then a month.
I think it is safe to assume that somewhere along the way Ben was fooled by the MiB into doing his bidding, while thinking he was working for Jacob. Richard seems to have very little contact with Jacob - maybe that was just part of Jacob's stand-off-ish way of doing things.

I believe Sun didn't go back in time with them because when they were going through she was supposed to be with her husband to make it like the first time. But who knows. I also don't know why Kate was crossed off and not Sun. Maybe it was because of the way she became a "mother."
Whatever the reason, it seems like her name being crossed out was pretty much meaningless anyway as Jacob later told her the job was hers if she wanted it.
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post #5867 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:03am
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Yeah O'Quinn is probably one of the only actors who could have pulled off what he did with that character(s).




I think it is safe to assume that somewhere along the way Ben was fooled by the MiB into doing his bidding, while thinking he was working for Jacob. Richard seems to have very little contact with Jacob - maybe that was just part of Jacob's stand-off-ish way of doing things.

I believe Sun didn't go back in time with them because when they were going through she was supposed to be with her husband to make it like the first time. But who knows. I also don't know why Kate was crossed off and not Sun. Maybe it was because of the way she became a "mother."
Whatever the reason, it seems like her name being crossed out was pretty much meaningless anyway as Jacob later told her the job was hers if she wanted it.
It seems like the reason was that they didn't have enough numbers and kinda fucked up, honestly. But I forgive 'em for it.

As for Richard having little contact with Jacob, he still knows where he lives. You'd think at one point he'd tell Ben, "Hey! What the fuck are you doing in that cabin? He lives in the FOOT!"
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post #5868 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:05am
Speaking of which, when are we going to see Jacob moving in to the foot? I want to see how that decision got made.
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post #5869 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:07am
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Speaking of which, when are we going to see Jacob moving in to the foot? I want to see how that decision got made.
Never, just like we'll never see who made it for him or why. An I'm actually fine with that. Although you're right, it's a little weird for someone to look at the statue and go, "Ya know, that ankle looks kinda homey!"
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post #5870 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:10am
The only thing with Widmore is Jacob actually coming to him and explaining things. Doesn't seem like Jacob's m.o. I guess maybe he felt the stakes were too high, so he had to intervene directly.

And I guess a silly fued between Widmore & Ben makes sense, too. Both wanted to be in power.

I know some of you (I think Diva was one) wanted to know why Jacob picked them. We got an answer. I was wondering if you felt satisfied. I am. It was a theme that has run since season 1. So many had issues off the island, and each grew since coming to the island.

The other thing I got out of tonight's episode: everything is coming together. It looks like there was a plan.
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post #5871 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:13am
Awesome episode, and it was great having Ben back in the fold, in all his various shades of grey on the island and off in the sideways world too (that was almost a sweet little aside going on there).

It hasn't been mentioned yet, but Miles wigging out and Richard saying how he buried Alex, and then Ben just kind of standing there... followed up with a "Thank you Richard" before walking away, well that moment got to me a bit. It was sad but Ben was probably being very sincere. It was easy to sort of feel sorry for him again (and for Alex). That reminder was probably fresh in his mind as he was plugging away on poor 'ol (?) Widmore.

ETA: Hurley name dropping on Ana Lucia near the end was great! Made me smile. It felt like an adventure was about to begin. Good stuff, and then the episode had to go and end. Dammit.
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post #5872 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:16am
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I know some of you (I think Diva was one) wanted to know why Jacob picked them. We got an answer. I was wondering if you felt satisfied. I am. It was a theme that has run since season 1. So many had issues off the island, and each grew since coming to the island.

The other thing I got out of tonight's episode: everything is coming together. It looks like there was a plan.
Yeah it was a very satisfying plot reveal.

What nobody is pointing out is that this is basically just a preamble to the finale. This whole episode was just a way to set the stage for the end.
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post #5873 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:17am
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The only thing with Widmore is Jacob actually coming to him and explaining things. Doesn't seem like Jacob's m.o. I guess maybe he felt the stakes were too high, so he had to intervene directly.
Jacob went directly to Ilana as well.
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post #5874 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:17am
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I know some of you (I think Diva was one) wanted to know why Jacob picked them. We got an answer. I was wondering if you felt satisfied. I am. It was a theme that has run since season 1. So many had issues off the island, and each grew since coming to the island.
I was. I liked his explanation to them, particularly him telling them about how part of the reason's he picked them had to do with how lonely they were before coming to the Island. This coming from probably the loneliest character of the entire show. It also adds a level of depth to him watching them and choosing them. He seems a little less creepy now. And he's right, all of them, every single one of them, needed the island. And then spent all their efforts trying to escape.

What's most satisfying, and really underlines a problem that a lot of people have with the whole "escape/return to the island' plot, is Jack's acceptance of being the island's war. His arc feels real to me, genuine. He's come such a long way as a character it's kind of unbelievable. And I buy it, mostly because of Fox's performance. He's come a long way from the season 3 finale when he was so obsessed to get off the island that he was ready to kill Locke without even thinking about it.
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post #5875 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:21am
When Ben got beat up by Desmond, he flashed. I think he knew what was going on after that, which was why he talked to alt Locke the way he did.
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post #5876 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:23am
I dug the reason for Jacob picking them as well. That, along with some of the older clips posted on the last few pages, have gotten me itching to go back to the beginning when it's all over. Jacob's reason fits. And so does his desire to give them the choice.

Jack stepping up to be The One (heh heh) was obvious, but in a good way. But then again, what does this mean for the others now? Are they not safe from MIB anymore? Or are they still candidates in a "just in case" kind of way? I'm not sure.

(edited to fix sleepy punctuation...)
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post #5877 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:23am
I actually was pretty satisfied with the explanation. Their lives were better because of the plane crash. That's not something I ever really thought about, although it seems really obvious. By bringing them to the island Jacob gave them a chance at finding redemption, and doing something noble. They went through a lot of pain and heartache, but a lot of self transformation too.
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post #5878 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:24am
I was actually surprised we got Jack accepting Jacob's role in this episode. I thought that would come up in the finale. But, I guess this is better now, because Jacob has passed the torch and now we really see everything will happen based on the Lostie's decisions.

I know this observation is a little late, but I saw it mentioned in the TWoP recap, but the four survivors of the sub (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, & Hurley) were the same four on the list of people Michael had to bring to the Others in season 2.
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post #5879 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:29am
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What's most satisfying, and really underlines a problem that a lot of people have with the whole "escape/return to the island' plot, is Jack's acceptance of being the island's war. His arc feels real to me, genuine. He's come such a long way as a character it's kind of unbelievable. And I buy it, mostly because of Fox's performance. He's come a long way from the season 3 finale when he was so obsessed to get off the island that he was ready to kill Locke without even thinking about it.
Agreed. His character was getting stale for a while IMO, but ever since he became a "man of faith" it's been like season 1 Jack, badass Jack.

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I know this observation is a little late, but I saw it mentioned in the TWoP recap, but the four survivors of the sub (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, & Hurley) were the same four on the list of people Michael had to bring to the Others in season 2.
I thought Ben brought Jack even though Jack wasn't on Jacob's list? I remember an other saying to him "he wasn't even on Jacob's list" and I'm pretty sure that was Jack. Could be wrong though.
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post #5880 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:30am
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Why is it bad for a rampaging, vengeful, immortal smoke monster to leave the island?
Well yeah. We have heard that Smoey leaving the island would end everything. Alright....how? I mean everything he has done was to leave the island. When he leaves does he still plan on wiping out large groups of people? Why? I mean he isn't even really that powerful. There must be a reason beyond that he is a mean monster made of smoke.
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post #5881 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:32am
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Jacob went directly to Ilana as well.
Good point.

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ETA: Hurley name dropping on Ana Lucia near the end was great! Made me smile. It felt like an adventure was about to begin.
I couldn't agree more with this statement. I felt my heat racing and I had a big grin as I said, "He knows!" And Desmond's, "No, they're not ready yet." Man is it Sunday yet?
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post #5882 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:32am
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Well yeah. We have heard that Smoey leaving the island would end everything. Alright....how? I mean everything he has done was to leave the island. When he leaves does he still plan on wiping out large groups of people? Why? I mean he isn't even really that powerful. There must be a reason beyond that he is a mean monster made of smoke.
How is he not that powerful. He's bulletproof and can turn into a giant, destructive volley of smoke. He may not be a nuke but put that gray motherfucker on something as simple as a freeway and you're looking at total eradication of whatever is in its path.
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post #5883 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:36am
I'm pretty sure we can consider Hurley, Sawyer and Kate unprotected now. Which is something they might have wanted to consider.
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post #5884 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:36am
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I thought Ben brought Jack even though Jack wasn't on Jacob's list? I remember an other saying to him "he wasn't even on Jacob's list" and I'm pretty sure that was Jack. Could be wrong though.
Yeah, Tom Friendly said that at one point. But it's kinda moot since Ben was never getting any info from Jacob anyway. He was never actually in touch with him and just made up the list excuse to get Jack to operate on his tumor.
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post #5885 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:36am
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I know this observation is a little late, but I saw it mentioned in the TWoP recap, but the four survivors of the sub (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, & Hurley) were the same four on the list of people Michael had to bring to the Others in season 2.
Yeah, but Pickett said "Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list." Still pretty interesting though.

Have we seen any of the flash-sideways characters have flashes? Were they urine cave-colored? Ben's was, which I found peculiar.

Speaking of the urine cave, did anyone else think that the cave now being there for Jack was kind of an answer to why the cabin kept reappearing? In that it only appears to those who need it? It probably was always MIB in there, but they do draw from the same source.
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post #5886 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:36am
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I thought Ben brought Jack even though Jack wasn't on Jacob's list? I remember an other saying to him "he wasn't even on Jacob's list" and I'm pretty sure that was Jack. Could be wrong though.
Yes, that's true. I specifically remember them saying he's not on Jacob's list (meaning Jack, I believe). What this all means, I'm not sure.

But, it does seem like season 2 is a microcosm for the show with the hatch = the island.
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post #5887 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:40am
Hey, remember all the stuff at the Temple at the beginning of the Season? Neither do I.
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post #5888 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:40am
i'm guessing Jacob went to Widmore sometime after Ben's visit and before Locke's return. it makes sense based on the scene at the lighthouse when Jacob said someone needed to find the island.

"you all everybody" performance in the finale?
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post #5889 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:44am
Now Ben is forced to see Daneille. I'm not sure how he wants to react to her.

Coincidence or fate? Eko?
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post #5890 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:46am
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. "you all everybody" performance in the finale?
Oh God, don't say that, I was just feeling good about the show again.
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post #5891 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:48am
By the way: I'm calling it. The failsafe isn't Desmond. It's Locke. From the alt. dimension. There's a reason why he needs to get fixed in the alt. I think that ultimately, he will be the candidate.
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post #5892 of 7883
5/19/10 at 12:52am
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By the way: I'm calling it. The failsafe isn't Desmond. It's Locke. From the alt. dimension. There's a reason why he needs to get fixed in the alt. I think that ultimately, he will be the candidate.
I like. Jacob told Widmore it was Desmond so he'd juice Des in the test, but that was really to set alt-Des loose and fix Locke.
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post #5893 of 7883
5/19/10 at 1:03am
Did anyone think there was anything to the cut on Jack's neck at the beginning of the episode? There was some creepy Giacchino music in that moment.
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post #5894 of 7883
5/19/10 at 1:06am
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Did anyone think there was anything to the cut on Jack's neck at the beginning of the episode? There was some creepy Giacchino music in that moment.
There has to be, but I'll be damned if I know what it is. He's going to bleed on Locke to heal him? Bleed on Flocke to kill him? He's falling apart? Giving himself a nasty hicky? I have no idea.
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post #5895 of 7883
5/19/10 at 1:07am
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Did anyone think there was anything to the cut on Jack's neck at the beginning of the episode? There was some creepy Giacchino music in that moment.
It's the same cut he has in the season premier when he goes to the mirror on Oceanic 815. Shit better get explained in the finale and I'm assuming it will.
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post #5896 of 7883
5/19/10 at 1:19am
Good episode. Ben, i missed thee.
He doesn't get to save his daughter was great. But i do think the speaking thing and the Walkie talkies will get some play.

Richard got killed so easily and unceremoniously? Not cool.
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post #5897 of 7883
5/19/10 at 1:21am
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Richard got killed so easily and unceremoniously? Not cool.
I thought it was reminiscent of the bus Richard used to kill Juliet's ex.
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post #5898 of 7883
5/19/10 at 1:28am
Loved this episode. I need to watch it again. There were just too many great little moments.

Loved Desmond being the man with a plan. How awesome would it be to have Desmond and Hurley in an Ocean's 11 type heist movie?

And after watching that Facebook video, yeah, I have a bit of a tear in my eye. I blame Giacchino's music.
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post #5899 of 7883
5/19/10 at 1:28am
Is that really all there is for Richard? I mean, shit. It's one thing for a character like Ilana to get killed unceremoniously, but I always figured Richard had some kind of part to play, given the long amount of time we've known him and the fact that he got an entire flashback episode. I'll be very disappointed if that was it.
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post #5900 of 7883
5/19/10 at 1:28am
Richard got the Boba Fett treatment.
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