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post #51 of 78
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
This.

It's grad school. You don't NEED it right now. Unless your degree is in english. Then you're kinda fucked anyway.
Yeah it's totally in English.

But this thread isn't about my specific problems so much as it is about shitty and mundane problems in general. I'm hoping after a few more replies I can option it to Sam Mendes or something.
post #52 of 78
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Meh, shit happens, we're still friends, etc. etc.


I've got all the friends I need!
post #53 of 78
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Originally Posted by Policar View Post
Yeah it's totally in English.

But this thread isn't about my specific problems so much as it is about shitty and mundane problems in general. I'm hoping after a few more replies I can option it to Sam Mendes or something.
Well now it's no fun to joke about semi-useless degrees. I have to feel sad for that. I assume you're going to go the professor route?

On a unrelated note, anyone else find it odd you can get paid more than some BA graduates by having an associates in something technical?
post #54 of 78
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Well now it's no fun to joke about semi-useless degrees. I have to feel sad for that. I assume you're going to go the professor route?

On a unrelated note, anyone else find it odd you can get paid more than some BA graduates by having an associates in something technical?
I didn't mean for this to get serious, but I totally appreciate the condolences--although I'm still overreacting (haven't been rejected for sure yet!).

To be honest, I think if you major in something like literature, film, or music, you're doing that so you can study something you like and hopefully work in a field that interests you thereafter. Sure: job prospects suck, but you're trading employability in general for the chance to (at least hopefully) enjoy your no-pay job and the education that leads to it. If you're super passionate about computer tech support or plumbing more power to you, but I don't think it's unfair at all that vocational degrees are the most immediately lucrative--because most people get those degrees primarily for the money and not solely for some kind of intellectual or personal fulfillment.

I also have big issues with college as an institution. I think after the GI bill or whatever a lot of the elitism that surrounded education disappeared, but as the country has become more politically and economically polarized in the past 30 years, the "elite" education has returned. My school cost about $45,000 a year (more now) and I'm sure I had classes where the majority of students were children of millionaires. And the curriculum was tailored toward that kind of person specifically. Even state schools cater to a wealthy white audience; as silly as some of what Kanye West says is, the complaints he launches against American higher education (particularly w/r/t race) are valid and troubling. That public high schools are locally funded (and private ones are feeders to the Ivies) only helps uphold this unfortunate and fast-growing elitism.

The "education" is a joke, too. Take a school like Brown or something. Students choose whatever classes they want, there's no rigid curriculum or single theory around which majors are structured, and you can choose to take almost anything pass/fail. How can an employer look at a liberal arts major from that kind of school and want to hire that person based on anything but nepotism? How can there be any expectations of what a BA in the liberal arts is actually capable of? The liberal arts education is a mess right now. There's no longer any core curriculum structured around the Classics, so students effectively create majors out of ten or twelve arbitrary and unrelated intro-level classes. A math major or physics major might be worth something because you've got a pretty standard basis there and forward progress from it (there's no Post-Lacanian physics, and if there were it would be prefaced by useful Newtonian physics), but, amazingly, math and science majors are borderline vocational these days. I think the curricula at state and vocational schools might actually be more structured and more rigorous than at Ivy League liberal arts schools, which are increasingly resembling country clubs or high-end sleep-away camps for the young and wealthy.
post #55 of 78
I can't fall asleep because I know the doctor is calling with my biopsy results in the morning.

Oh, and Disney didn't send me a free review copy of the remastered Gangs of New York Blu-ray.
post #56 of 78
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I can't fall asleep because I know the doctor is calling with my biopsy results in the morning.

Oh, and Disney didn't send me a free review copy of the remastered Gangs of New York Blu-ray.
Duh -- obviously the pathologist called Disney and told them not to bother!
post #57 of 78
Oh No!!!
post #58 of 78
Well, I wasn't expecting a paper on the foundation of college. I just meant if anyone noticed the phenomenon as well.

And why would people go into these technical jobs and vocational degrees if they did NOT have some kind of intellectual or personal fulfillment? I mean just because you don't doesn't mean I don't. My cousin is a carpenter, and he just loves working with wood. I don't understand it. However, I feel a personal and intellectual fulfillment doing tech support. Even if you have to deal with certain people, it's still a challenging job with variety.

Also your issues with college come from a completely different place than mine. While yours seem to be about money/class skating by, mine have to do with a BA (in anything) not being worth crap anymore in some cases. That's probably because a BA is just "expected" now. It seems like the money and effort you put into it just doesn't seem worth it. Except, you get a piece of paper that says you did it.

@Gabe Powers, I didn't get the free blu-ray either!!!! Ruined my week, man.
post #59 of 78
The BA not being worth dick anymore has more to do with America giving up on the middle class post-Reagan than anything. If you notice, the height of careers in academia--which are pretty much the only jobs you can land on your credentials if you're a humanities major--is found in the post-war period, when the entire domestic policy template was geared toward making a sustainable middle class. Then you get Reagan and we switch to the template that we've been using for the last 29 years.

What was the result? Flat wages for the middle and working classes--which essentially entailed a devaluing of both classes as the value of the dollar went down and costs of living went up--the decline of the American university system, a renewal of the bubble-and-bust cycle, a credit-based economy, a lost economic decade, and then a near sequel of the Great Depression.

If you want to make a living as something other than a servant of craftsperson during this generation, you have to engage the debate that's taking place in politics now and largely being shaped and controlled by the top tier interests that have had it too good the last three decades.
post #60 of 78
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Well, I wasn't expecting a paper on the foundation of college. I just meant if anyone noticed the phenomenon as well.

And why would people go into these technical jobs and vocational degrees if they did NOT have some kind of intellectual or personal fulfillment? I mean just because you don't doesn't mean I don't. My cousin is a carpenter, and he just loves working with wood. I don't understand it. However, I feel a personal and intellectual fulfillment doing tech support. Even if you have to deal with certain people, it's still a challenging job with variety.

Also your issues with college come from a completely different place than mine. While yours seem to be about money/class skating by, mine have to do with a BA (in anything) not being worth crap anymore in some cases. That's probably because a BA is just "expected" now. It seems like the money and effort you put into it just doesn't seem worth it. Except, you get a piece of paper that says you did it.
I totally agree; most everyone follows their interests to some extent while looking for work. I'm don't mean to imply vocational degrees aren't fulfilling (I bet most are), just that if you choose to major in post-colonial literature or film analysis or art studio or whatever you're not doing that to get a job--you're doing that specifically (and maybe selfishly)--for "intellectual stimulation." Maybe it's just personal experience. I've considered going back to vocational school (but it's not in the cards) and all the jobs I want but can't get are "crafts."

I have the same problem with a BA being worthless as you do, but I think it's understandable why employers don't value the degree one bit.
post #61 of 78
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The BA not being worth dick anymore has more to do with America giving up on the middle class post-Reagan than anything. If you notice, the height of careers in academia--which are pretty much the only jobs you can land on your credentials if you're a humanities major--is found in the post-war period, when the entire domestic policy template was geared toward making a sustainable middle class. Then you get Reagan and we switch to the template that we've been using for the last 29 years.

What was the result? Flat wages for the middle and working classes--which essentially entailed a devaluing of both classes as the value of the dollar went down and costs of living went up--the decline of the American university system, a renewal of the bubble-and-bust cycle, a credit-based economy, a lost economic decade, and then a near sequel of the Great Depression.

If you want to make a living as something other than a servant of craftsperson during this generation, you have to engage the debate that's taking place in politics now and largely being shaped and controlled by the top tier interests that have had it too good the last three decades.
Yes!
post #62 of 78
Another retarded thread gets to two pages. Congrats!
post #63 of 78
Most people in art nowadays usually think they know everything. I doubt it's for intellectual stimulation and more for ego stimulation. The thing is that anybody can do art anywhere. You can do film analysis at your leisure. A degree in it isn't really going to help you any. Anybody with some paint and canvas can be the next Jackson Pollock, and anybody who likes movies can be a critic on a blog/site. The average joe on the street can write a published book. Something like animation, graphic design, drafting, journalism, or architecture can be a work related skill while also serving as a creative outlet. While it's true getting jobs in those areas can still be hard, it's easier and more lucrative than something like studio art.

I don't view the pursuit of a degree in something you love as selfish. However, I do think that the people who are being supported by someone else while they pursue a dream with no clear endgame to be somewhat selfish. There has to be something better coming out of it. I mean if someone's spending their own money on a degree in philosophy, then that's fine. If their spouse or parents are shelling out the dough for their degree in philosophy, then that's kind of fucked up.

I know plenty of people who got degrees in English and Math solely to become teachers and that's fine. I'm not saying any of these degrees are bad, I just think there needs to be a point to them.
post #64 of 78
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My school cost about $45,000 a year (more now)
If your parents paid for this they're just as dumb as you are. What a fucking waste of money.
post #65 of 78
Is Policar is just trying to out princess, Princess Kate?
post #66 of 78
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If your parents paid for this they're just as dumb as you are. What a fucking waste of money.
Can we kill this thread? The original idea was a place to post problems that drove you up the wall but no one else could be sympathetic to, but apparently only I have that kind of problem.
post #67 of 78
You ARE everybody else's problem.
post #68 of 78
I'm getting my third degree and I'm almost $220,000 in debt!
post #69 of 78
I woke up this morning not wanting to shoot myself in the head! Progress!

*chorus of boos, yells of "NO GO BACK TO WANTING TO SHOOT YOURSELF" *
post #70 of 78
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I'm getting my third degree and I'm almost $220,000 in debt!
Obviously that's the smart thing to do -- if you get to one million your debt will roll over back to zero!
post #71 of 78
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I woke up this morning not wanting to shoot myself in the head! Progress!

*chorus of boos, yells of "NO GO BACK TO WANTING TO SHOOT YOURSELF" *
You shouldn't be ruling anything out at your age.
post #72 of 78
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Can we kill this thread? The original idea was a place to post problems that drove you up the wall but no one else could be sympathetic to, but apparently only I have that kind of problem.
Are you serious? The original idea of this thread was so YOU could talk about YOUR non-problems! This was never a thread for other people.

Maybe for other people to laugh at. Ha.
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no jake don't
post #75 of 78
Oh god, between this and the "retarded" thread........
post #76 of 78
Damn it, Jake, you have so much to live for! There's a reboot of Mr and Mrs Smith coming...uhm...screw it. Can I have the gun when you're through?
post #77 of 78
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I'm getting my third degree and I'm almost $220,000 in debt!
Wow...now I feel much better :-)

So may I ask what you're doing? Are you collecting them?
post #78 of 78
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I'm getting my third degree and I'm almost $220,000 in debt!
Gratz to the upper-middle class American way of getting into massive debt.
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