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Stewart on The Factor

post #1 of 38
2/7/10 at 4:49pm
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Was surprised that this hasn't been posted on this forum yet. Or has it?

The uncut version of Stewart's appearance on The O'Reilly Factor.
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post #2 of 38
2/7/10 at 5:45pm
Thanks for this. Didnt even know it happened.

Stewart on Crossfire is still one of the best TV segments Ive ever seen.
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post #3 of 38
2/7/10 at 6:13pm
I sent you this link, nooj! You didn't know it happened until I showed you! ARGH!

Anyways... typical FOX News host. Blinded by their own narrative. Stewart holds up well but his points will fall on deaf ears. Stewart mentioned on his show the day after this was aired that they had a body language expert come on to tell O'Reilly how well he presented himself. That being how well O'Reilly came across. Weird... because I guess his viewers need to be re-assured that he was dominate?!
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post #4 of 38
2/7/10 at 6:15pm
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Hahahaha. It's true. You did link me this. But I marketed it better! That's the narrative that oughta hook those SOBs...

Hire me, FOXNEWS!
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post #5 of 38
2/7/10 at 6:21pm
Bill O'Reilly saying that the only people who watch his show are stoners, and that his writers are pinheads... O'Reilly is a bully with no sense of humor, and Stewart quietly won, and now that the cut vs. uncut versions are available, Fox looks like they were doing exactly what Stewart said they were doing.
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post #6 of 38
2/7/10 at 6:33pm
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Let's not forget the blatant moments of condescension towards Stewart scattered throughout the hour.

Though I'm appreciative of the fact that Fox put up the interview in its entirety (I feel like I read somewhere that this was something that Stewart requested, but I'm not at all sure), I roll my eyes when the network uses this as an opportunity to look like angels. "Yea, we're all for free speech! Hurrah!"

It was a great watch, but also utterly frustrating. You could see it openly on Stewart's body language as the interview went on. He dealt witih O'Reilly's constant interruptions and denials with as much class as he could, but he was so very exasperated by the end.
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post #7 of 38
2/7/10 at 6:41pm
Bill O'Reilly needs to be gang raped by a group of silverback apes.
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post #8 of 38
2/7/10 at 6:49pm
That's the most entertaining TV I've seen in ages. Kudos to Fox for putting the whole thing on its website.
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post #9 of 38
2/7/10 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti View Post
That's the most entertaining TV I've seen in ages. Kudos to Fox for putting the whole thing on its website.
...Two days later. After actually airing a carefully edited version of the interview. And being well aware that most Fox News viewers won't watch this version. Yeah, kudos to them.

I love it when people point to these incredibly half-assed nods in the direction of actual journalism and intelligent discourse as reasons why Fox News isn't horrible and shitty. This used to be much less than the minimum standard.
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post #10 of 38
2/8/10 at 12:05am
In defense of Fox news, O'Reilly comes off as much less of a douche in the edited interview.
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post #11 of 38
2/8/10 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
I love it when people point to these incredibly half-assed nods in the direction of actual journalism and intelligent discourse as reasons why Fox News isn't horrible and shitty.
I hope you aren't putting words in my mouth. I don't watch televised news, so I have no position on Fox one way or the other.
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post #12 of 38
2/8/10 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
Bill O'Reilly needs to be gang raped by a group of silverback apes.
Nice.

Simple, but sigged.
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post #13 of 38
2/8/10 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti View Post
I hope you aren't putting words in my mouth. I don't watch televised news, so I have no position on Fox one way or the other.
No, I wasn't talking about you.
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post #14 of 38
2/8/10 at 9:39pm
The difference between the edited and unedited versions is totally night and day. I watched the edited clips first and my thought was, "geez, Jon Stewart didn't really open his mouth... except for the 'cyclonic' comment." When I saw the unedited clip it was clear why: he was too sharp for Fox. Not for O'Reilly, who is such a verbal bully and egomaniac that he's essentially unflappable, but for Fox. He went right at its heart and didn't miss.
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post #15 of 38
2/8/10 at 9:47pm
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Heheh. I didn't even bother watching the edited version. I'll have to check that out now.
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post #16 of 38
2/8/10 at 9:53pm
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Originally Posted by pervis42 View Post
In defense of Fox news, O'Reilly comes off as much less of a douche in the edited interview.
how is this defending Fox? Of course O'Reilly is a douche, and they work carefully to make him palatable to their idiot viewers.
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post #17 of 38
2/8/10 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
Heheh. I didn't even bother watching the edited version. I'll have to check that out now.
Here's an analysis of the cuts on Gawker.
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post #18 of 38
2/8/10 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Ambler View Post
Bill O'Reilly needs to be gang raped by a group of silverback apes.
Hey now, no ape deserves that.
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post #19 of 38
2/9/10 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by Jackson View Post
how is this defending Fox? Of course O'Reilly is a douche, and they work carefully to make him palatable to their idiot viewers.
I guess I should've made the sarcasm less subtle.
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post #20 of 38
2/10/10 at 12:34am
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
No, I wasn't talking about you.
Ok.
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post #21 of 38
2/10/10 at 1:22pm
I just watched the interview in its entirety. Stewart missed a few good points but overall, he was the winner. O'Reilly's condescension was a little much though. I'd wager if we gave the regular viewers of each show a test the Daily Show audience would be much better informed than O'Reilly's.
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post #22 of 38
2/10/10 at 1:26pm
They've done those surveys and TDS viewers tend to score higher than Fox viewers.
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post #23 of 38
2/10/10 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
They've done those surveys and TDS viewers tend to score higher than Fox viewers.
Then it's a smart wager.


Quick! Who wants to bet $50 that TDS viewers are better informed than Fox's?
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post #24 of 38
2/10/10 at 1:36pm
I'm being forced to go through Google Video to find a watchable version of this... how long is it? The one I'm loading through Quicktime is about 16 mins.

Do I have the right one?
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post #25 of 38
2/10/10 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by Jared Melton View Post
I'm being forced to go through Google Video to find a watchable version of this... how long is it? The one I'm loading through Quicktime is about 16 mins.

Do I have the right one?
No. It's a 40 minute segment. Gawker did an analysis comparing the the broadcasted interview with the raw footage and they have a link to the whole thing on fox.
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post #26 of 38
2/10/10 at 2:22pm
Wow, Jon was pretty good there. I think he did an admirable job of trying to keep the discussion an actual discussion and not a shouting match. I did appreciate his few moments of honest incredulity though. He kept a straighter face than I would have been able.
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post #27 of 38
2/10/10 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post
No. It's a 40 minute segment. Gawker did an analysis comparing the the broadcasted interview with the raw footage and they have a link to the whole thing on fox.
Actually, I think that google video had it wrong... it said 16 mins but I just sat here for 40.

That was amazing.
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post #28 of 38
2/10/10 at 2:36pm
Google Video does that sometimes.



Also porn sites.
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post #29 of 38
2/10/10 at 2:41pm
Stewart kicked his ass, much better than I imagined after watching Stewart talk about it on TDS.
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post #30 of 38
2/10/10 at 3:14pm
I also loved how Stewart kept trying to deny O'Reilly's attempts to be an everyman. Jon brought up how Bill's neighborhood is more affluent than his, and all O'Reilly can say is "I was brought up in a poor neighborhood".
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post #31 of 38
2/10/10 at 4:43pm
Was it just me or was O'Reilly kind of deflated by the end of that? I never cease to be impressed with how sharp Stewart is.
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post #32 of 38
2/10/10 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by JuddL View Post
Was it just me or was O'Reilly kind of deflated by the end of that? I never cease to be impressed with how sharp Stewart is.
Stewart is sharp, but sometimes he has a tendency to be a little meek. I think because of his "we're a comedy show" shtick, his first inclination is to be a little more obsequious than probably should be. Once he got rolling, he laid some wood on O'Reilly which was very gratifying to watch. There were some points he could've clarified better (the Palin, Real American stuff comes to mind), but speaking extemporaneously in a hostile environment is not easy, and what he did get in was great.
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post #33 of 38
2/10/10 at 5:06pm
"Can I say Ramadan on Fox? Are you sure?"
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post #34 of 38
2/10/10 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post
Stewart is sharp, but sometimes he has a tendency to be a little meek. I think because of his "we're a comedy show" shtick, his first inclination is to be a little more obsequious than probably should be.
I think it's more that he and TDS are constantly critiquing the likes of O'Reilly for bullying and shouting and refusing to really engage honestly with their detractors. So he has to be hyper-vigilant in these situations, and give the other guy, no matter how much of a blowhard, a chance to make his points. If he goes on the Factor and is smug and dismissive and shouty, he's no better than Sarah Palin mocking the use of a teleprompter with crib notes scribbled on her hand.
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post #35 of 38
2/10/10 at 5:41pm
I think Jon Stewart makes his Iran fear-mongering look pretty ridiculous.
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post #36 of 38
2/10/10 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
So he has to be hyper-vigilant in these situations, and give the other guy, no matter how much of a blowhard, a chance to make his points. If he goes on the Factor and is smug and dismissive and shouty, he's no better than Sarah Palin mocking the use of a teleprompter with crib notes scribbled on her hand.
Sigh... the curse of being the good guy. I have even more respect for Stewart after seeing how he stayed true to his 'code.'
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post #37 of 38
2/10/10 at 6:33pm
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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post
I think it's more that he and TDS are constantly critiquing the likes of O'Reilly for bullying and shouting and refusing to really engage honestly with their detractors. So he has to be hyper-vigilant in these situations, and give the other guy, no matter how much of a blowhard, a chance to make his points. If he goes on the Factor and is smug and dismissive and shouty, he's no better than Sarah Palin mocking the use of a teleprompter with crib notes scribbled on her hand.
Exactly. The perceived "meekness" is both deliberate and necessary. Stewart quietly kicked O'Rielly's ass by calmly, and reasonably responding to all of Bill's bullshit. If he had been smug, or pithy, he wouldn't have been nearly as effective.
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post #38 of 38
2/10/10 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by JuddL View Post
Exactly. The perceived "meekness" is both deliberate and necessary. Stewart quietly kicked O'Rielly's ass by calmly, and reasonably responding to all of Bill's bullshit. If he had been smug, or pithy, he wouldn't have been nearly as effective.
You can still kick ass without being smug. Look at the difference between the beginning of the segment and the end. I don't think Stewart was smug or pithy at the end; he was combative, but civil. And he kicked Bill's ass. You can still be powerful without being smug.
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