Man Waterboards Four Year Old Daughter

Enhanced education technique. Not abuse.

"Now I know my ABLLBLBLBLBLBLGLBLC'S!"

Christ, imagine him with her first boyfriend.

I have a nearly 2-year-old daughter. I can't stop laughing at Jake's post. Good thing there's no such thing as Hell!

The waterboarding dad obviously needs to go away for a long, long time. Jesus.

Jeez guys, it was just a fraternity prank, really, lighten up.

Good to see the water-boarding was just some kind of aberration.

Man, Sesame Street is for pussies!

On a serious note, I hope this guy goes to prison and is raped endlessly.

Yes. These kind of stories make my blood boil. Motherfucker.

Honestly, you americans and your waterboarding.

Give me a few minutes alone with him.

"Well... it's just you... and me... *your balls*... and this drawer!"

Hum, this might be interesting from a legal aspect. If water boarding is legally not defined as torture, then I wonder if his lawyer will argue that this is almost the equivalent of a spanking. I can honestly see a lawyer going that route in today's environment.

Obama had the practice outlawed. So if it's illegal for the CIA to use it, I'd wager it's illegal for a dad to use it on his kid.

Sure, it's illegal now. But when this guy was active it wasn't. It was legal. It was encouraged.
I believe this is what is known as the chickens coming home to roost.

Can you imagine what the mom must have been like for this guy to win custody?

She favored wired electrical cables clamped on her nipples and vulva?

Well, yeah. A lawyer would pretty much have to, if it were the case that waterboarding were not illegal and spanking was considered, categorically, not abuse. Which it's not.

You ever see chemical interrogation before?

My little bag does not scare you.

I will teach to never to fuck with my opium, I mean my daughter.

I going to start by cutting you off at the ankles, and I going to take your feet and throw them right over there in that basket.

This is rediculous. The fact that it was an adult do this to a child, any prosecuter worth a shit will have no problem finding precident to prove this is child abuse, at least, if not wreckless endangerment.

If this goes to trial, this guy is seriously fucked.

If he went to Iraq, I guess the defense would use PTSD and use the fact that our government was using this practice as a way to excuse his behavior.

Why are you trying to figure out ways to save the guy?

Do you bleach your kids?

ELCAPTAIN!

Always on the fence!

He's trying to say that the father is the victim, Tati. Imagine the trauma he suffered while giving his daughter some waterboarding sessions.

El Cap,

Yeah, I get how this could be an interesting legal quandry, but honestly, I think this guy should be put down.

Some things people should not have the opportunity to atone for.

This guy has damaged this poor girl for life. I can't even begin to imagine what kind of psychological trama she is going to have to deal with.

Here's a shot of her teaching her daughter numbers:

Huh ... who said this guy should catch a break? I think he deserves quite a bit of time behind bars and never get more than phone access to his kid(s) (if that).

Funny that you guys pick on such a question when people are joking about clamping wires on 4 year old girls.

My dad is a lawyer, so I'm always curious what a defense lawyer would come up with to try to defend the indefensible. On a serious note, the guy must be crazy by definition anyways, so I'm sure I'm not far off from what will happen (it won't work of course).

I was joking. You're not.

Everyone who commits a serious violent crime would be considered "crazy" in layman's terms, because no one with a normally adjusted sense of morals would do such a thing.

Legally, though, I seriously doubt insanity is going to fly as a defense. It's not even that interesting a case. Nutjob does terrible nutjobby thing, probably not nutjobby enough to be legally declared a nutjob.

He's clearly suffering from PTSD, though.
I'm not saying he wasn't an asshole before he went to Iraq. Maybe he was. All I'm saying is it most likely fucked him up even more. And our healthcare for veterans is severely lacking. So yeah, society is to blame and all that.

Yeah, I'm not saying it would be effective just that I wouldn't be surprised that a lawyer might latch on to the political issues to ineffectively defend his/her client (the violence of the war in Iraq, mixed messaith kevlar, guys obviously not very stable in the first place.ges from govt. on torture techniques). Aside from abusing his kid, he was caught around his neighborhood running around w

I didn't say you weren't joking, but I find it strange that a joke involving underage female genitalia is more offensive than wondering what his legal defense will be. To the point were you joke/suggests I think the guy is the victim instead of his daughter, or Tati jokes I abuse my kids.

HAR HAR HAR!

And yes, wondering why the mother didn't get custody and this guy did is incredibly puzzling.

It's not just this thread, it's every posts you make, where you go from one extreme to the other.

What extremes?

Did I say the guy *should* get away with it? Or that I hope they take it easy with him?

Once more, I was wondering what possible defense anybody could employ with something like this? Plus I thought it was interesting given the recent discussions we had in this nation about if water boarding is torture or not.

You'd waterboard the girl too if you could.

I guess this is how somebody mentally runs out of gas.

I think you know exactly what I meant by "always being on the fence". Stop playing the idiot. It's nearly as retarded as you considering voting for the McCain/Palin ticket.

Actually, I have no idea how "being on the fence" has anything to do with what I said. Can you please point out where I tried to excuse his behavior? I didn't even suggest that he was actually suffering from PTSD, if you read the article, it doesn't even say if he actually even served in the war!

It would be quite different if I said "Hey guys take it easy on the guy, he might have been messed up by the war. Be considerate!". Which is not what I'm saying at all! Every other sentence I had on this had me framing my comments on the legal questions, and more on the legal strategy part, not on if it is constitutional to water board kids.

Just to add context, because some people don't like to read. I don't think anybody should be water boarded, even actual adult terrorist. (can't believe that has to be clarified).

It's really not that hard to ... you know ... actually read.

EDIT: And no, I'm not ashamed that I actually take my time when considering who I vote for president. Nothing to be ashamed of.

But you should be ashamed to even consider voting for McCain/Palin. Anyone with a parcel of brain would steer well away from Palin, let alone the guy who picked her as a running mate.You really seem proud of it.

The defensive legal arguments are interesting to explore. Take this case for example. The defendant was found not-guilty. Harper's had a small transcript that I am looking for online, but the Village Voice article has a brief summary of the arguments.

Someone's job is to figure out how to argue that the father was NOT torturing his daughter, and that person's job is Constitionally guarenteed. So, ElCap ruminating on the defense's arguments isn't far fetched or make him a horrible person.

This guy and the chick who made her kid kill his pet with a hammer for getting bad grades should be hired as consultants at a tutoring center. The lesson plan would be awesome.

I'm not ashamed of it at all. I wanted to vote for McCain back when he was running against Bush but I couldn't because I wasn't registered in any party and I think at the time I was still finalizing my US citizenship. I really liked what he did with Feingold on campaign finance reform, and was bummed out he wasn't the one who ran against Gore at the time.

Palin when she appeared, I had no idea who she was, and later on thought maybe she was at worst another Quayle. Later on she became a horrible liability, but what turned me off from McCain wasn't her, but the person he became in his campaign.

So no, I'm not ashamed of seriously considering voting for McCain at all. I was pretty open minded about the whole thing, and while I decided I couldn't vote for him, Obama was just clearly the much better choice (maybe even slightly better than McCain 2000).

Feel free to bring this up all the time in other threads by the way, it has no relevance to the topic and it's a pretty idiotic thing to bring up just because you are making zero sense in this thread.

Thanks.

I'm thinking his lawyer won't really say that his client can water board his child because the govt. does it / did it (you also can't incarcerate others or taser them like cops can do), but I would be very surprised if he doesn't bring it up. The fact that he's (maybe) an Iraq/Afghanistan veteran and the whole political issue would seem to almost guarantee it.

In the end no sane jury would buy it, one would hope.

Honestly, this whole fight between Captain and Savage is quite interesting, but back to the topic at hand for a moment: WHAT THE FUCK? Seriously, stuff like this makes my fucking blood boil. People like this don't deserve to have children or even be within a 100 feet of them.

Also, some chick really made her son kill his pet for getting bad grades? What the fuck, man? Are we living in some Bizarro World where these idiots think this is good parenting? God, some people just should not be allowed to breed.

People should need licenses and full psycological evaluations before being allowed to breed.

I knew there was a reason I liked you.

The problem with that is at some point, the bad parents would be put in change of the licenses, and psychological evaluations.

...How the hell does this make any sense at all?

least common denominator, there are far more bad parents, then good parents, and we do live in a ' democracy'.

When I read the title of this thread, I mixed up the definition of "Waterboard" with "Motorboat", and I was even more revolted, and pretty confused.

So never let a single parent on the committee. Appoint only sterile or pledge-to-never-have-kids people to it.*



*I dare you to take me seriously.

I have a very weird part of my personality that I fear would get out if I ever became ruler of the world. My liberal, socialist part says I'm all for reproductive rights and think you should be able to be as stupid as you want and have as many kids as you want. But that little fascist in me knows that the first thing that should happen in my perfect world is the scientists need to find a reversible sterilisation process that happens at birth that only gets reversed when you pass an exam and a psych eval.

I realize that's all "Racism and eugenics aside..." thinking but I deal with way too many idiot parents in a day to not have my lizard brain go there.

He doesn't negotiate with terrorists.

In other news, the U.N., today has seclared dirty diapers to be weapons of mass destruction.