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post #1 of 25
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My Sunday Night Movie for the evening tonight was Mad Max: Beyond Thunder dome, a film I have never been that impressed with before, but after watching it again I've decided I'm a fan.
I love how each of these movies is totally different, the only real connection between the films is the character of Max, each one feels almost like a reboot instead of a sequel. Bruce Spence is in both films playing the same character but it's almost like he and Max have never met before.
Gibson has become such a cultural figure of sorts that it's easy to forget the guy is/was the real deal; a proper Movie Star with Movie Star Charisma. He owns this and every Mad Max film completely. It's going to be weird seeing the new flick with someone else essaying the role.
Thunder dome is obviously more flawed than the other two films, the first one of which I watched just last week, but it's also the most ambitious, I think. It's got a great aesthetic and a great brown and black colour palette, I think the brightest colour in the film is fire.
It's amazing how difficult it has been for some other Post-Apocalyptic films to get over the aesthetic presented in the second and 3rd Max films; fucking Waterworld is essentially just this swapping desert for water. Bartertown feels like a real handmade place- the production design for the whole film is pretty great and the use of landscape is pretty fantastic as well. The Thunderdome fight was the highlight of the film for me, it was terrific. I haven't seen the film since VCR days and I was really impressed with it; really inventive and different. Using the whistle to take Blaster out was a fantastic device.
The film does hit the pig poo a bit when the tribe of children enter into the picture. Some of the dialogue in the sequence where we first meet them is kinda crap and on the nose, but the idea of the remnants of society starting a new mythology only to have it shat on by Max is kinda cool and clearly shows off Miller's Atheist sensibilities that would later re-surface in Happy Feet.
I found Maurice Jarre's score to be a bit of a problem. It almost feels like the wrong bits are being used for the wrong scenes; the soft melodic flute tunes playing during the sink hole sequence in the desert kills the tension a bit.
Car chase at the end is terrific. Some great touches all the way through; the record that kids finally listen to, the Viewmaster, Rose Tattoo front man Angry Anderson getting wailed on through the whole film, that one brief sequence where Max carries the five year old on his shoulders in a strange mirroring of the Master/Blaster relationship, I think there is a lot of good stuff here.
Like that in all three films Max doesn't actually gain anything at the end. End of 2 and 3 he just helps out and does the right thing, doesn't really end up in a better place than what he was when the narrative started.
Tina Turner does a great job in this, I thought.
Also, and it's just simple patriotic bullshit, was happy to see the film was still clearly set in Australia. I think it's the only Mad Max film to be financed by American cash and I remember when I saw the film in the cinema back in the day as a kid getting a thrill that such a cool, big screen flick ended with everyone shacking up in Sydney.
post #2 of 25
Thunderdome has an awesome, AWESOME first 45 minutes that could rival The Road Warrior and eat the first one for breakfast, but once that horse arrives at the kiddie village it just dies.
post #3 of 25
I've never actually gotten beyond Thunderdome. For some reason this has always been a movie I just can't get through, either by accident or design. Most of the times I caught it were on television and I always ended up having to do something else.

The stuff I saw involving Thunderdome was pretty good, though. The fights are well done and you can't really deny the impact it's had on pop culture. Maybe one day I'll get around to finishing it (though every thing I hear about it doesn't really convince me I should).
post #4 of 25
Beyond Thunderdome works precisely because of why most people don't like it -- it completes the rehumanization of Max that started in Road Warrior. The whole trilogy is about losing and regaining faith in humanity, and it's sort of inevitable that seeing this loner reintegrate himself into society feels like a letdown, despite it being absolutely true to the character's arc.
post #5 of 25
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Beyond Thunderdome works precisely because of why most people don't like it -- it completes the rehumanization of Max that started in Road Warrior. The whole trilogy is about losing and regaining faith in humanity, and it's sort of inevitable that seeing this loner reintegrate himself into society feels like a letdown, despite it being absolutely true to the character's arc.

Spot on. Max is constantly confronted with situations that demand some humanity from him: especially his scenes with the kids. He kind of has this "oh shit' expression upon first meeting them, then when he explains that their "religion" is BS you can kind of see that's it's tearing at him to disillusion them, but that he must. Sort of like a responsible parent would do.
post #6 of 25
And given all the more resonance considering that Max lost his child. He's grappling with being a parent again.
post #7 of 25
I LOVE the ending of this. Very poetic in a ruined Sydney.

Rest of it is undrated too.
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Beyond Thunderdome works precisely because of why most people don't like it -- it completes the rehumanization of Max that started in Road Warrior. The whole trilogy is about losing and regaining faith in humanity, and it's sort of inevitable that seeing this loner reintegrate himself into society feels like a letdown, despite it being absolutely true to the character's arc.
You know, honestly, I never liked the parts outside of Thunderdome, but reading this opens my eyes to what this movie is truly all about. Great post, Richard. I think I might watch the whole trilogy in sequence now with this new perspective.
post #9 of 25
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You totally should. I think a lot of people, maybe, are being a bit lazy about this film in dismissing it because of the stuff with the kids. Yeah; they do kinda suck, the dialogue is forced and quite ugh, but it's not a crap film and has some great idea's and some terrific scenes. It doesn't quite hang together cohesively like the other films, but George Miller did bow out of directing the bulk of it when his friend and Producer died before filming and I think that has a lot to do with it.
As HunterTarantino said; the first 45 minutes or so is a cracking good film. It looses it's way a bit but not so badly that it should be written off as a lesser entry into the series.
post #10 of 25
Yeah I still really enjoy this, for the world building alone it gets a big thumbs up.

It also never fails to amaze me just how good Tina Turner is in this and then makes me wonder why she never did any other acting - she's aces.

...and come on, the theme song is simply fantastic - still one of my favorite songs from the 80's. That sat at the top of the aussie music charts for like 4 months when I was a lad.

I miss loving Mel as much as I did back in the day - the guy was truely every fucking inch the penultimate movie star in this flick.
post #11 of 25
I've been meaning to revisit this since stumbling upon Ebert's review of the film last week. He named it one of the best of 1985. I haven't actually seen it in years, but I remember never taking to as much as I did the first two films. But there's nothing like a well written and incredibly enthusiastic review to make me want to reevaluate a film. It's on Netflix Instant Watch so I think I may check it out here in a bit.
post #12 of 25
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Beyond Thunderdome works precisely because of why most people don't like it -- it completes the rehumanization of Max that started in Road Warrior. The whole trilogy is about losing and regaining faith in humanity, and it's sort of inevitable that seeing this loner reintegrate himself into society feels like a letdown, despite it being absolutely true to the character's arc.
Great post.
post #13 of 25
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I've been meaning to revisit this since stumbling upon Ebert's review of the film last week.
That's a terrific review! I was watching the Master/Blaster vs Max fight in the Thunderdome thinking more or less the same thing, that this was as exciting and as creatively staged bit of fisticuffs we have seen pre-CGI.

I loved the way the new civilization hinted at at the end of the film is a mingling together of both the Feral, hippie style commune of the kids and the remnants of some of the Bartertown characters- Miller sort of suggesting that a proper society is kind of both things blended together harmoniously. That maybe just me reading to much of it into it, but Miller is a film maker who puts an enormous amount of thought, nuance and intelligence into his work so I'm cool with it.
post #14 of 25
I was at the New Beverly Cinema in L.A. March 20th of last year to see this trilogy back to back to back.

It was interesting to see the reactions. With Mad Max people had fun with the whole 70's exploitation (The toecutter!) vibe. The Road Warrior (my personal favorite of the 3) got a huge ovation and great reaction. Beyond Thunderdome had a palpable excitement going for most of its duration but by the time those kids are on screen the film fades away in a big way.

This has nothing to do with the films intent and everything to do with George Miller's creative involvement. He pretty much only directed the action scenes in this and sure enough thats all it really has going for it.

Huge 2nd act issues aside its an ok enough film but its no Road Warrior. Its not Escape From L.A to Escape From N.Y. but it is a 3rd film that falls short. It completes Max's arc but that doesn't mean its that good.
post #15 of 25
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I loved the way the new civilization hinted at at the end of the film is a mingling together of both the Feral, hippie style commune of the kids and the remnants of some of the Bartertown characters- Miller sort of suggesting that a proper society is kind of both things blended together harmoniously.
The Mad Max series have never been completely down on technology or progress, just on how we abuse it. The good guys in Road Warrior are refining gasoline, so it's not like Miller had some kind of Luddite message.

The problem with Bartertown wasn't that it was rebuilding civilization, it's that it was simply going down the exact same path that got us where we were in the first place. It's telling that the society built on experience is the one that's destroyed, whereas the one built on innocence seems to be the one thriving at the end of the film.
post #16 of 25
Oh, and nothing but love for Maurice Jarre's score for this. The music that plays as Max watches the children escape is just epic.
post #17 of 25
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I think it's a good film. The kids stink the joint up at first but after a bit, when Max opens up to them I think they really work. It's only the dialogue in the first ten minutes or so that shits me; when they leave their little village-haven and head into the desert I think they work just fine. It's about twenty minutes of Not-So-Great amidst what was, for me, a pretty fantastic film.
post #18 of 25
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The Mad Max series have never been completely down on technology or progress, just on how we abuse it. The good guys in Road Warrior are refining gasoline, so it's not like Miller had some kind of Luddite message.
Oh, I wasn't inferring that he did. He is very pro-technology but a bit cautious about the manner in which people apply it, obviously.

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The problem with Bartertown wasn't that it was rebuilding civilization, it's that it was simply going down the exact same path that got us where we were in the first place. It's telling that the society built on experience is the one that's destroyed, whereas the one built on innocence seems to be the one thriving at the end of the film.
I don't think it's entirely built on Innocence, though. Max put an end to their childish innocence by telling them what was really happening; how the world really worked. That, and some of the Bartertown characters do end up in the new society. I think it's more the suggestion that you need both halves of humanity for a society to function; the communal togetherness, slightly innocent half and the Technologically sound, organized society half, ultimately.
post #19 of 25
I've warmed to it myself over the years. I've said it before around here, but it's more of an adventure film than people were expecting, and I think that(along with the children, the PG-13, and the Tina Turner music) led to some of the initial backlash. It doesn't help that it was following up on what I consider one of the best modern films(action or otherwise), either.

The chase is great, even if it is a bit of a retread of the Road Warrior finale. They mix it up enough so that it's still exciting, and the vehicles in this one are more elaborate, and well, awesome*. I love the little touches like Max checking the radiation level of the water. I miss the hard edge of the previous films but this is still a worthy chapter, and like has been said before it is nice to see Max recover some of his humanity, if only for a moment.

I'm not as big a fan of the actual Thunderdome battle as some of you(feels like the least Mad Max-ish bit of the whole film), but I'm sure it was a nightmare to direct and I certainly appreciate the work that went into it. Funny to see Miller do a similar setpiece in Babe: Pig in the City.

I mentioned it in another thread, but I know virtually nothing of the making of this film. Did Miller only direct the action scenes?


*the vehicles, along with Miller, are one of the main reasons I'm psyched for a Fury Road without Mel.
post #20 of 25
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I mentioned it in another thread, but I know virtually nothing of the making of this film. Did Miller only direct the action scenes?

Apparently he directed the opening Bartertown stuff, the Thunderdome sequence and the final chase stuff and everything else was George Ogilvie.
Fury Road is my most anticipated film of the year, along with the Attack of the Clones review; Miller getting back to kinetic action with a serious budget and modern film making technology is a total cine-boner for me.
post #21 of 25
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Apparently he directed the opening Bartertown stuff, the Thunderdome sequence and the final chase stuff and everything else was George Ogilvie.
I don't think it can be at all underestimated what the death of Byron Kennedy did to Miller and the trajectory of his career thereafter.
post #22 of 25
Little touches really help this movie. The Blue mountains covered sand. The viewfinder. The errie crashed plane.

And yes, the score is fantastic.
post #23 of 25
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That's the one thing I didn't dig; the score. I like Jarre's stuff usually but I found it to be too distracting and slightly unconnected to the film. I'll watch this again in a few days and keep an open(er!) mind but I was really taken out of the mood of the film due to the tunes.
post #24 of 25
One thing about these films I've wondered about. When Blaster's helmet comes off to reveal he's a big mentally disabled guy, was that ever meant as a call back to the similar guy Can't recall his name) on the farm in the first film?

Are the two guys actually the same character?

Or is Max's refusal to kill him there to show there are some lines Max won't cross?
post #25 of 25
The last one.
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