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post #151 of 180
6/14/10 at 10:41pm
You're debating a musical creationist here fellas. Chaz is never going to have any kind of objectivity or perspective on this issue. Ever.
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post #152 of 180
6/15/10 at 12:49am
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Talent? Good songs?
So hair metal bands suck except for the hair metal bands that don't suck. Glad this was sorted out.
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post #153 of 180
6/15/10 at 12:56am
Right, it makes perfect sense to compare Eddie Van Halen and Slash to Bret Michaels and Kip Winger. Distinctions can not be made!


Just like how we all know Limp Bizkit is basically the same as Faith No More.
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post #154 of 180
6/15/10 at 9:06am
You can maybe, maybe lump Guns n' Roses in based on the time and location where they rose to prominence. But Van Halen? I'm by no means a fan, but that's not fair.
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post #155 of 180
6/15/10 at 9:18am
Is it not possible to like heavy metal and grunge? I never got the resentment metal fans had for grunge.
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post #156 of 180
6/15/10 at 9:22am
As a fan of both metal and grunge (admittedly way more towards metal) it's news to me too.
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post #157 of 180
6/15/10 at 9:34am
Do not lose sight of the fact he is defending hair metal. Though I am not a fan, the legitimacy of regular metal (you know, the stuff written for, um, guys) isn't being debated, at least not right now.
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post #158 of 180
6/15/10 at 9:37am
I was under the impression that the fact that grunge killed hair metal was good enough to earn the whole genre diplomatic immunity from pretty much everyone.
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post #159 of 180
6/15/10 at 11:57am
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You can maybe, maybe lump Guns n' Roses in based on the time and location where they rose to prominence. But Van Halen? I'm by no means a fan, but that's not fair.
I don't think there's much debate that Van Halen is a chief progenitor of hair metal, though (along with KISS, Cheap Trick, etc.). The fun vibe, the flashiness, Roth's over-the-top-ness, etc.

G'n'R might get an exemption on the basis of the more serious nature of their lyrics and the slightly harder edge (plus the obvious ambition to be more than straight-ahead rock'n'roll that manifested in Use Your Illusion). But, then again, the lines are blurry. Is Skid Row hair metal? They probably have more in common with G'n'R than with Poison or Warrant, but I'm not sure if the distinction's all that important.

It's generally bad policy to posit categories based on quality, so I think you have to allow for the possibility of there being good hair metal. If this is the case, I guess you could say that VH and G'n'R exemplify the best the genre has to offer (even if they're arguably outliers - but, then, some would argue that London Calling is an outlier when it comes to punk albums, yet it exemplifies some of the best tendencies of punk).
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post #160 of 180
6/15/10 at 12:12pm
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Is it not possible to like heavy metal and grunge? I never got the resentment metal fans had for grunge.
We're not talking about heavy metal. I like heavy metal and grunge.

The whole argument was started by Chaz, when he specifically stated that HAIR metal was superior to grunge as a genre, and people only liked grunge because it was "cool" at the time.
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post #161 of 180
6/15/10 at 12:17pm
Another good post, Dave.

However, again you choose to ignore the artistic merit and legacy of Cinderella!
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post #162 of 180
6/15/10 at 1:34pm
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Another good post, Dave.

However, again you choose to ignore the artistic merit and legacy of Cinderella!
Look, I think my record speaks for itself when it comes to Cinderella. We've all been touched in tingly places by "Don't Know What You Got (Till It's Gone)". We were all shook by "Nobody's Fool." When you talk about rock music, Cinderella's importance is all but implied.
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post #163 of 180
6/15/10 at 2:46pm
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I don't think there's much debate that Van Halen is a chief progenitor of hair metal, though (along with KISS, Cheap Trick, etc.). The fun vibe, the flashiness, Roth's over-the-top-ness, etc.
I don't know, man. I separate the Van Halens and the Aerosmiths from the Slaughters and the Wingers, and not just because of quality. On one hand you have 70's hard rock, and on the other hand you have 80's hair metal. Is there a bit of an overlap? Sure, but to me they aren't the same.
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post #164 of 180
6/15/10 at 7:29pm
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Right, it makes perfect sense to compare Eddie Van Halen and Slash to Bret Michaels and Kip Winger. Distinctions can not be made!

Just like how we all know Limp Bizkit is basically the same as Faith No More.
Okay, you got me. The dudes in the following pictures clearly can not be compared to one another:


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post #165 of 180
6/15/10 at 7:46pm
My only question is: which one of those ladies is going to be first in line for giving me a hand-o?
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post #166 of 180
6/15/10 at 7:52pm
Who are those chicks in the first picture?



Edit- Also, their looks don't have that much to do with it. The sheer fact they look alike doesn't mean anything. The members of Cannibal Corpse could have spent their entire career dressing in drag, but they would still be a death metal band.
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post #167 of 180
6/15/10 at 11:47pm
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Also, Green Day is terrible.
No, they really aren't. It's easy to hate on them for delusions of grandeur or for radio overkill but to say they're terrible is incorrect.
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post #168 of 180
7/9/10 at 5:16am
I was initially pissed to see Courtney got a two-hour Behind the Music on VH1, but then I took into account what the channel has become, and it seemed natural.
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post #169 of 180
9/13/10 at 10:16pm
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I refuse to put this in the music forum. Love covers Gaga.
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post #170 of 180
9/14/10 at 12:26am
It's like two awful things combined into one gigantic awful thing.
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post #171 of 180
9/14/10 at 12:48am
Y'know, don't hate me...but I don't mind it. Yeah, she's a mess, and so is the song...but the two aren't that incompatible a fit.

I could see Courtney Love circa Celebrity Skin or Live Through This doing a rock cover of Bad-Romance and it actually working.
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post #172 of 180
9/14/10 at 12:52am
I actually like it better than Lady Gaga's, but that's not exactly a compliment. Also, does it really sound different from Joseph Gordon Levitt's highly praised cover? Except that it sounds like an actual rock song, instead of some guy at a coffee shop doing not-quite-ironic covers of recent pop songs.
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post #173 of 180
9/14/10 at 11:28am
Jesus, I hate to come to the defense of Lady GaGa but "Bad Romance" is a really good song. It's not Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone" or early Madonna as far as nifty pop stuff goes but it's pretty freakin' good. That cover, not so much.
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post #174 of 180
9/14/10 at 5:01pm
There's no shame in it Ryan, I promise.
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post #175 of 180
9/14/10 at 7:17pm
This is really obviously a drunken, tossed-off stab at a song the band never rehearsed (and, from the sound of it, possibly barely familiar with). The Replacements made their name on live shit that sounded just as sloppy as this.

I haven't liked an album Love's put out since Celebrity Skin, but it's ridiculous to evaluate this the way you would an actual release. They're fucking around onstage.

That said, the chorus of "Bad Romance" is virtually the only thing by Lady Gaga that I haven't hated outright (the rest of the song not so much), so I see where Wayward Woman's coming from with the notion that this might have potential as a rocked-out old-school Hole song.
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post #176 of 180
9/14/10 at 7:22pm
I love Gaga without an ounce of shame but, like DaveB said, this is just people messing around, so I can't say whether it's a good cover or not.
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post #177 of 180
9/14/10 at 7:29pm
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This is really obviously a drunken, tossed-off stab at a song the band never rehearsed (and, from the sound of it, possibly barely familiar with). The Replacements made their name on live shit that sounded just as sloppy as this.

I haven't liked an album Love's put out since Celebrity Skin, but it's ridiculous to evaluate this the way you would an actual release. They're fucking around onstage.

That said, the chorus of "Bad Romance" is virtually the only thing by Lady Gaga that I haven't hated outright (the rest of the song not so much), so I see where Wayward Woman's coming from with the notion that this might have potential as a rocked-out old-school Hole song.
Oh, agreed on judging Hole based on this song. Or this song on the way they play it. I don't like them but they are way better than that video would have you believe.

Disagree wholeheartedly on "Bad Romance". I love the whole thing. But the rest of Gaga's repertoire can fuck right off (particularly "Poker Face")
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post #178 of 180
10/3/10 at 2:08pm
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Hole is great. Drunkenly spouting off a song that you aren't familiar with makes for a shitty concert.

In other news, Courtney tweeted this photo of herself. I need to cleanse my soul now.

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post #179 of 180
10/3/10 at 2:49pm
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post #180 of 180
10/28/10 at 8:43pm
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Courtney Love or Gollum?





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