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Forget about babies on planes, how about babies in bars?

post #1 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:24pm
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"As a stay-at-home dad, it can be kind of isolating. Bars, as much as they're places to drink, they're places to socialize and meet people," said Gross, 35, a freelance writer, an editor for the blog DadWagon and the columnist behind the Frugal Traveler in The New York Times. "I long for adult contact. ... I don't want to be excluded from the adult world."
You know what? Devin's airplane philosophy definitely applies here. Suck it up. You're a parent, and sometimes that means sacrificing some of the things you like for the sake of your child. Not being able to go to a bar isn't being "excluded from the adult world."
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post #2 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:30pm
What a stupid idea. Sad thing is people would probably try it here too despite the fact that I can think of two or three local bars where the smoke is so thick you can barely see in there some nights.
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post #3 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:31pm
Strangely... I'm ok with it. Might give some people pause when they consider going home with a random person

CONSEQUENCES!? OH NOES!


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post #4 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
What a stupid idea. Sad thing is people would probably try it here too despite the fact that I can think of two or three local bars where the smoke is so thick you can barely see in there some nights.
Stop trying to make the CHUD-munity (c) jealous that you can smoke in bars!
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post #5 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:33pm
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Stop trying to make the CHUD-munity (c) jealous that you can smoke in bars!
Dont get too jealous. Its only like 2 or 3 bars in Minot you can do that anymore, and not for long.
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post #6 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:35pm
Well, for one thing, it's a well known fact that babies are mean drunks.
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post #7 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:38pm
"Oh no! I can't go to the bar because of the baby that suddenly appeared in my house!"

You chose to have a baby you fucking douchebag. Suck it the fuck up.
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post #8 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:38pm
I fully plan on bringing my future kid to bars.

It really depends on the place, of course. You're not going to bring the kid to some smokey, shitty hole in the wall, but I never saw anything wrong with people bringing their kids to a place like the ol' Bohemian Hall beer garden here in Astoria, where families gather for food and drinks on the weekends and you'll frequently see kids running around. They have barbecues every Sunday in the summer at Hell Gate Social (the place where we screen films) and babies are always around in their backyard garden. Obviously no one stays late with them and really, the only people who'd be mad at seeing kids there would be someone with issues of their own.

There's a time and a place.
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post #9 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:38pm
Brooklyn - specifically Park Slope - has a ton of bars that are frequented by parents with kids as well as pets. I don't give a shit as long as I can get my drink on. Plus, the kids/pets generally clear out by 9 or 10 p.m. when the crowds start to arrive. Bars are generally non-rowdy during the day/early evening so the people who would complain about the babies wouldn't even be there then.

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Single hipsters and others without (and sometimes with) kids complain about being asked to watch their language, to not smoke outdoors near strollers and to keep their drunk friends under control so as not to scare the little ones.
Now this I cannot get behind. If you bring your kid to a bar, then expect bar behavior. You shouldn't expect people to alter their behavior for you.
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post #10 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:38pm
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Originally Posted by raptors661 View Post
Dont get too jealous. Its only like 2 or 3 bars in Minot you can do that anymore, and not for long.
That's two or three more than are in New England When I was growing up, I used to work in a movie theater next to a bar. I loved the sights and sounds (and was even occasional frightened by overly rowdy people), and couldn't wait for the day when I too could hang out in a bar and smoke

Sadly the Nanny State robbed me of that chance before I could legally smoke or drink or exist in a bar
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post #11 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:42pm
Depends on the situation - my wife and I have taken our daughter out to places that qualify as "bars" I suppose, but usually we're there early in the evening to eat and have a beer or two.

A hardcore, no-food drinking establishment? No.
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Single hipsters and others without (and sometimes with) kids complain about being asked to watch their language, to not smoke outdoors near strollers and to keep their drunk friends under control so as not to scare the little ones.
I think the good rule of thumb is "does the place have highchairs?" If not, get the fuck out with your kid.

I'm not opposed to it in principle; the German beer gardens historically were family-oriented - food, beer, kids running around, etc. But there are terrible parents out there; as the story's subject says,,

"I'm not going to keep her out past 7 p.m. When the bar starts filling up, that's when we head home. It's responsible parenting and responsible adult behavior. I'm not knocking back double vodkas while my daughter is stumbling around."

But for every parent like THAT, there are probably at least two who ARE behaving irresponsibly. Then again, I'm sure they'd be shitty parents if they weren't in a bar, as far as that goes.
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post #12 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
...usually we're there early in the evening to eat and have a beer or two. .
Uh, the beer or two is for the wife and I. The daughter is on her own (though her father has been known to indulge her with a sip or two on rare occasions).
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post #13 of 40
3/2/10 at 6:51pm
I was just discussing this with a friend. Restaurant bars are okay. Plain old bars, especially dive bars? Keep the kids away, especially during peak (evening) hours. I shouldn't have to curb my behavior at a place for adults just because you can't find a babysitter while you destroy your liver in public.

On the plus side, I'd hang out at the bar in the local chinese restaurant in Queens as a kid while my mom would get her martini on. Didn't fuck me up to bad. I mean, short of my barbasol addiction.
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post #14 of 40
3/2/10 at 7:02pm
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I was just discussing this with a friend. Restaurant bars are okay. Plain old bars, especially dive bars? Keep the kids away, especially during peak (evening) hours. I shouldn't have to curb my behavior at a place for adults just because you can't find a babysitter while you destroy your liver in public.
One thing to remember is the nature of a place can change.

We have a big music festival here, and during the day it's fine, very family friendly. Once the sun goes down, it's pretty apparent that the kids should be OUTTA there. I know MY kid is, but pre- and post-parenthood I've seen "parents" sitting there, and while THEY may not be drinking...I dunno man, it's 11 pm, the kid is in the stroller asleep, probably 50-70% of the population is having a drunkfest, and there's music blaring at an ear-damaging level all over the place....at that point, I don't care if REO Speedwagon IS your favoritest band, maybe you should get your kid the fuck home.
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post #15 of 40
3/2/10 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
at that point, I don't care if REO Speedwagon IS your favoritest band, maybe you should get your kid the fuck home.
And just who's going to sing "Take It On the Run" to the little tyke then? You, Chavez?
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post #16 of 40
3/2/10 at 7:18pm
There are a lot of bars where I live that change there atmosphere during the day. Daytime they serve coffee and welcome families but past 7pm and you will be asked to leave.


There was a story in the press a year or so ago about a mother who was asked to leave a pub that catered to gay men because she had a kid with her. It was a hot day the kid was crying and she wanted to feed him before moving on. She was asked to leave because she offended the other patrons.

Now that is just wrong. (the pub not the feeding of the baby that is).
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post #17 of 40
3/2/10 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
And just who's going to sing "Take It On the Run" to the little tyke then? You, Chavez?
Funny story - we're driving in the car, I'm scanning some radio stations, and some random REO song comes on; my wife starts singing, so I go "ah, what the hell" and leave it. She sings about half-a-verse, looks at me, and goes "why the hell did you leave this crappy song on?"

REO are insidious. And evil.
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post #18 of 40
3/2/10 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
Funny story - we're driving in the car, I'm scanning some radio stations, and some random REO song comes on; my wife starts singing, so I go "ah, what the hell" and leave it. She sings about half-a-verse, looks at me, and goes "why the hell did you leave this crappy song on?"

REO are insidious. And evil.
I'm 98% certain that my mother fucked Kevin Cronin sometime during the 70's.

I wish that was a joke.
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post #19 of 40
3/2/10 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
I'm 98% certain that my mother fucked Kevin Cronin sometime during the 70's.

I wish that was a joke.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bdVR-JIDi2...0/s400/hug.jpg
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post #20 of 40
3/2/10 at 8:04pm
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I'm 98% certain that my mother fucked Kevin Cronin sometime during the 70's.

I wish that was a joke.
Might not be funny to YOU, but I still laughed.
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post #21 of 40
3/2/10 at 8:13pm
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Might not be funny to YOU, but I still laughed.
Me too, sorry Bancroft
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post #22 of 40
3/2/10 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez View Post
Uh, the beer or two is for the wife and I. The daughter is on her own (though her father has been known to indulge her with a sip or two on rare occasions).

We have to hide beer in our house from the two year old. She loves it.

I always liked the pub system in the UK and Ireland. Kids are allowed but you damn well better have them under control. Never had an issue while we were over there with kids in the bars.
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post #23 of 40
3/2/10 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
You chose to have a baby you fucking douchebag. Suck it the fuck up.
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post #24 of 40
3/3/10 at 10:35am
Ok, I'll throw out the requisite Sweet Home Alabama quote:

"You have a baby! In a bar!"

My wife and I quote this every time we see someone with a baby in a place where you wouldn't expect to see one.

However, I do remember when I was a kid (like 6-7 years old) and my dad was still alive, if he had to pick me up from school (because my mom couldn't), we wouldn't go home--we'd go to the Elks Club where I'd read comics, color, and play with the juke box while my dad played cards, smoked, and drank Jack Daniels on the rocks. Eventually my mom would show up and pick me up on the way home.
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post #25 of 40
3/3/10 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~ View Post
We have to hide beer in our house from the two year old. She loves it.

I always liked the pub system in the UK and Ireland. Kids are allowed but you damn well better have them under control. Never had an issue while we were over there with kids in the bars.
Yeah I think it's pretty good over here. A lot of places that serve food welcome kids but then they are told to leave at 7pm and they are very strict about it (I'm not sure if that's a law?). Other places just have signs on the door saying "No children allowed".
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post #26 of 40
3/3/10 at 11:27am
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See, I don't consider a restaurant that serves alcohol a "bar". I have no problem with seeing babies at the Ale House or any other sports bar, provided the parents are aware that it's, at minimum, a PG-13 environment and don't expect the patrons to adjust their behavior.

But a BAR? No, a kid doesn't belong there.
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post #27 of 40
3/3/10 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
See, I don't consider a restaurant that serves alcohol a "bar". I have no problem with seeing babies at the Ale House or any other sports bar, provided the parents are aware that it's, at minimum, a PG-13 environment and don't expect the patrons to adjust their behavior.
I expect no one to adjust their behaviour around my daughter except if they're in my house. If we're in public, it's my job to teach her that what is right and wrong, not yours. It's my job to explain why being falling down drunk in public may not be the best choice or why wearing pyjamas to the grocery store is just fucking dumb.
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post #28 of 40
3/3/10 at 12:53pm
Somebody slip that goddamn baby a roofie.
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post #29 of 40
3/3/10 at 1:07pm
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Somebody slip that goddamn baby a roofie.
Oh, Jake, always with the baby date rape.
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post #30 of 40
3/3/10 at 1:11pm
It shouldn't have been dressed like it wanted it!
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post #31 of 40
3/3/10 at 1:14pm
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It shouldn't have been dressed like it wanted it!
It was the diaper thong, wasn't it?
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post #32 of 40
3/3/10 at 1:18pm
The funny thing I've noticed from the couple of people who have been distressed by a baby being in the same bar as them is that they have this weird guilt complex. Like drinking in front of a kid is wrong, or that they're providing some bad example. It's bizarre and makes it aware that the person complaining has some deep-set issues. Maybe they weren't hugged enough as a child.

Agree completely on the not turning down language thing, I mean- if the parents don't expect that, they're obviously morons and their kid is doomed no matter what.
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post #33 of 40
3/3/10 at 1:22pm
One of my earliest memories is sitting alone under a pool table, eating potato chips and playing with my Strawberry Shortcake at the bar that my parents used to frequent when I was small. I'm okay with that, but I don't know how thrilled my parents would be to know that it's one of my earliest memories. Art museum? Nope. Play group? Nope. Bucolic backyard scene? Nope. Lays BBQ and the sound of someone sinking the twelve in the back corner pocket? Oh, yes.
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post #34 of 40
3/3/10 at 2:36pm
Well, what am I gonna' do? Leave her in the car, Bea? I don't got no daycare. It's really hard bein' a mother.
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post #35 of 40
3/3/10 at 5:06pm
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Might not be funny to YOU, but I still laughed.
You wouldn't find it funny if every time Take It On The Run comes up on the radio your brain does bad things to the lyrics..terrible, terrible things.


Seriously though, my mom and Kevin (and the rest of the original Speedwagoneers) are friends. Especially her and Cronin who she's kept in touch with for years. Let's put it this way: my mother was a very industrious entrepreneur in the 70's and I've always gotten the feeling when she talks about those days illicit substances weren't the only thing that passed between the two. Super Fuck Me though. It couldn't have been Bowie? The Stooges? Johnny Ramone? The fucking Clash? No, REO Speedwagon.
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post #36 of 40
3/3/10 at 5:28pm
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You wouldn't find it funny if every time Take It On The Run comes up on the radio your brain does bad things to the lyrics..terrible, terrible things.


Seriously though, my mom and Kevin (and the rest of the original Speedwagoneers) are friends. Especially her and Cronin who she's kept in touch with for years. Let's put it this way: my mother was a very industrious entrepreneur in the 70's and I've always gotten the feeling when she talks about those days illicit substances weren't the only thing that passed between the two. Super Fuck Me though. It couldn't have been Bowie? The Stooges? Johnny Ramone? The fucking Clash? No, REO Speedwagon.
You can't fight the feeling any more, huh?
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post #37 of 40
3/3/10 at 5:29pm
Sorry Bancroft.

Both for your trauma and the way each new detail only makes me laugh harder.

Your story's almost as good as the one I read years ago on another forum I used to lurk at: a poster whose dad turned out to be the lead singer of Baltimora, of "Tarzan Boy" fame.

To the topic at hand: as a stay-at-home dad myself, yeah, the guy needs suck it up. I've given up a great many things in life since I had kids. I'm not thrilled about some of the sacrificies, but it comes with the territory.

Babies in bars? Weirdly, I'd say the younger the baby, the more okay I am with it. Under six months, and they don't comprehend anything going on around them and can sleep through everything. If it's a smoke-free bar before 7:00 and the parent isn't drinking, maaaayyyyyybe. I'd never do it.
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post #38 of 40
3/3/10 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
Well, for one thing, it's a well known fact that babies are mean drunks.
Not only that, when it comes time to buy a round, they claim they left their wallet in their other diaper. Also, their lack of motor skills. They can't play darts for shit.
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post #39 of 40
3/3/10 at 9:42pm
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Originally Posted by Rusty Oysterburger View Post
Yeah I think it's pretty good over here. A lot of places that serve food welcome kids but then they are told to leave at 7pm and they are very strict about it (I'm not sure if that's a law?). Other places just have signs on the door saying "No children allowed".
Which is their right, as a business, IMO.
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post #40 of 40
3/3/10 at 9:43pm
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
It couldn't have been Bowie? The Stooges? Johnny Ramone? The fucking Clash? No, REO Speedwagon.
Even one of the solidly-Midwestern Cheap Trick guys would have been respectable.*


* - I once bought beer for Rick Neilsen's under-21 neighbor at a concert
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