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post #51 of 418
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Originally Posted by Jack Dnim View Post
Am I the only one that finds the implication they weren't going to bring Goggins back baffling, as if it were a decision made in post? What exactly were they setting up if not to have Goggins return later? Raylin's dad being the big bad? I did half expect his dad to be tied up with Goggin's character.
I thought I posted something similar, but I guess not. As it was written, killing him off that quickly would have made no sense.
post #52 of 418
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Originally Posted by Jack Dnim View Post
I don't even know what this means. People actually get hit in the gunfights on this show and Raylin personally shot two. It's not in the least trying to be anything close to a procedural, it's heightened reality through and through.
Thank god! I mean I love Burn Notice but it seems like every other episode they are getting into gun fights with trained military expert hitman who are trying to kill them with machine guns. Not only do they not ever get hit but they also seem to go to great lengths not to shoot them back.

Although I do wonder how thats going to pan out. They establish that because of his trigger happy ways he had to be transfered. Now he has shot another person. So yeah it is heightened reality but they are still playing kind of by realities rules so I don't know how they are going to work out the action beats for the rest of the season. I mean he can't shoot anymore people and still retain his status as a cop can he?

The show as a whole was pretty strong. Im not sure I get the woman that killed her husband. Also Goggins was great and isn't this his second time playing a racist? I do love the way the racists are played as the bumblling idiots of the criminal world. All around good but im waiting to see where they take the premise. Im just hoping it actually makes a good series because im worried it may have worked batter as a cool 2 hour movie.
post #53 of 418
Justified is...Awesome. I am glad to see that action series are returning to tv. With this, The Human Target and Chuck, there is more...Good action in those three series, than in the entirity of...24. I have...Marshalled enough interest and enthusiasm, to say, that Justified is an...Arresting hour of tv.
post #54 of 418
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Forgive me if there's a thread for this but I didn't see it. I'm pretty jazzed for this one as I think Elmore Leonard is the greatest writer ever and Raylan Givens just happens to be one of my favorite characters from the "Elmore-verse". Where the hell did it come from? I didn't see/hear anything from it until I started seeing promos last week. Not sure if Olyphant is right for Raylan Givens but I have been digging him more and more lately. And hey, Walton Goggins can brighten up any FX original as far as I'm concerned. Here's the link to the original site if anyone's interested:

http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/justified/
I guess you haven't been watching FX lately, because that network and TNT pimp their original programming hard.

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Nice to know that Goggins sticks around. The pilot's based on "Fire in the Hole" by Leonard and his character ends up dead at the end of it, but I didn't think they could send off Shane Vendrell himself after one episode. And man, I can't see this tonight, but am I really going to have to wait a week to catch it online? That sucks.
Just so you are aware, FX usually re-airs new episodes of their shows in the 10pm all over again at 11pm. Also, I recorded a 2nd repeat of the premiere episode last night (Friday) at 11pm, so check your schedule.

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I thought that was fucking terrific. One of the best pilots in recent memory.
Agreed. A real slow burner. Hoping this show doesn't fall apart before season's end.

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Originally Posted by Upgrayedd View Post
I missed this tonight. Did they show anything about the new season of Rescue Me during the commercials?
Nope, but there was brief announcement that Sons of Anarchy would be returning for a new season in the fall. I guess FX expects to pick up a lot of that show's demographic.

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Originally Posted by BrianM View Post
Was that just makeup or is Greene really sick with something? He looked terrible.
I thought the same thing. Unless that was some good makeup, he's not aging well.
post #55 of 418
I loved the premiere I thought it was absolutely fantastic. I'm also a big Elmore Leonard fan, but even asides from the Timothy is perfect and it seems like it might be the best FX show since the Shield.
post #56 of 418
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I missed this tonight. Did they show anything about the new season of Rescue Me during the commercials?
They showed a short ad saying that it was coming back this summer.
post #57 of 418
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Originally Posted by moovyphreak View Post
I guess you haven't been watching FX lately, because that network and TNT pimp their original programming hard.
I have not. Just recently cut off the cable in prep for a move overseas. Been looking for somewhere to catch this online.
post #58 of 418
Greene was arrested for crack possession as recently as 2007, and has had a long battle with drug addiction for almost 20 years. Dunno how good he's expected to look. Hope he's clean, I'm always pulling for that guy.

Good pilot; I'm okay with it serializing some stuff from the first ep, but I don't need another soap show to follow.
post #59 of 418
Really enjoyed the pilot episode. My concern at this point is that now that they've shot the original Elmore Leonard story whether the rest of the series will be as sharp. It's one thing to take a really good short story and turn it into an effective episode, it's another thing to sustain that level for the rest of a show without Elmore Leonard in there writing.

Also glad they went a head and changed the ending of the original story so we can have more of Goggin's character and possibly his crew.
post #60 of 418
This was good fun and Olyphant and Goggins played well off each other. But it wasn't as strong a start as SONS OF ANARCHY, and was nowhere near THE SHIELD.
post #61 of 418
Liked the pilot, but didn't love it - I feel like I've grown somewhat numb towards shows about lawmen. I'm hoping it doesn't turn out to be as episodic as it seems right now.

SO glad they decided to keep Goggins.
post #62 of 418
Justified is...Awesome, and definitely, to me...Better than either...The Shield, or Sons Of Anarchy. Bike gangs make terrific...villains, but a series on them is not for me. The problem with...The Shield, is that it features...Dirty Cops. I prefer...Heroic Supercops, like T.J. Hooker, Hunter, The C.H.I.P.S., Sledge Hammer etc. The best thing about Justified, is Raylan Givins is a...Hero, that kills...Bad Guys.
post #63 of 418
Good stuff. The only part that didn't ring true was the ambush towards the end of the show, which bordered on making the neo-nazis caricatures. The Shield and SoA were/are very good shows, but I'm hopeful of a little more realism from Justified.
post #64 of 418
I wonder if that convict band was the New Soggy Bottom Boys.

Interesting connection: Michael Dinner, director of this week's episode and co-director of last week's directed CHUD favorite Heaven Help Us!
post #65 of 418
Well I'll be. That episode may have been even better than last week's. After utterly hating Lost tonight that was such an improvement.
post #66 of 418
JudgeSmails, I never liked...Lost, but I feel that...Justified is excellent.
post #67 of 418
TV that's too episodic loses my interest rather quickly, but it was still a pretty fun hour, mostly thanks to the actors.
post #68 of 418
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
TV that's too episodic loses my interest rather quickly, but it was still a pretty fun hour, mostly thanks to the actors.
I had the same fear for the show but after tonight I'm 100% sold. A really fantastic hour of television and Goggins didn't have to do shit.
post #69 of 418
For not being based specifically on a Leonard story, tonight's episode certainly got most of the tone of his dialogue, especially with the characters of the escaped convict and his ex-wife. Really loved that shit there. They really talk like Leonard scumbag criminal characters.

Not a slam dunk like the premier, but I dug it.
post #70 of 418
I actually think I liked tonight's episode more than the premiere. Seemed to settle down in terms of tone, and nailed that fine line between the comic and the tragic, something that I love about Leonard's work.

This show wants to exist in the real world, though, but I hope that it doesn't turn out like Sparta, Mississippi where they have to keep building new cemeteries to keep up with all the dead bodies. It's not showing signs of going overboard, yet, it's just a fear that I have- that the bodies will keep piling up and any attempts toward a realism, however heightened, will go out the window.

That being said, in the world that Justified is creating, getting shot in the chest or stomach is merely a flesh wound. Nothing to worry about.
post #71 of 418
I'm with Parker, here. Really good, but not quite as ace the premiere. Some great fucking lines, though.

"Not just dildos."

"He didn't rape you, too, did he?"

And, yes, the fact that the other marshals are apparently just as competent and trigger happy as the lead is pretty awesome.
post #72 of 418
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That being said, in the world that Justified is creating, getting shot in the chest or stomach is merely a flesh wound. Nothing to worry about.
I love that. Such a throwback. Dude's sittin' there bleeding from a gut shot having a five minute dialogue scene. Tired of motherfuckers on ventilators and crash carts anytime there's a center mass hit.
post #73 of 418
You gotta love Raylan making the con drive the Lincoln. And how he harbors no ill will towards the guy and what he did, he just wants him to serve his time.

Goggins is the man. Even with only one limited scene he was awesome.

Trying to figure out what I know that ex-Ranger sniper from....
post #74 of 418
Alright, I'm in love. That Olyphant is damn hard to resist

Even though he drank booze in the bathroom and got behind the wheel a second later. My kind of cop.
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"Not just dildos."
I loved that this was the last line right before a commercial!
post #76 of 418
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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 View Post
Alright, I'm in love. That Olyphant is damn hard to resist

Even though he drank booze in the bathroom and got behind the wheel a second later. My kind of cop.
If you're from the South and you can't drive after drinking Beam you're not a real man.
post #77 of 418
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Trying to figure out what I know that ex-Ranger sniper from....
Cooper from Eurotrip. Didn't realise until this last ep.
post #78 of 418
“Why don't Pentecostals have sex standing up ? Because that might lead to dancing.”
post #79 of 418
Thing is, this isn't just one town. It is spread over all of Eastern Kentucky. Not just one little bitty town in the South.

Good episode. Will definitely keep up with it.
post #80 of 418
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Originally Posted by JudgeSmails View Post
You gotta love Raylan making the con drive the Lincoln. And how he harbors no ill will towards the guy and what he did, he just wants him to serve his time.

Goggins is the man. Even with only one limited scene he was awesome.

Trying to figure out what I know that ex-Ranger sniper from....
That driving scene was from the opening of Riding The Rap.
post #81 of 418
I Now want to read the Leonard books with Raylen in them. I have only read a couple of Leonard books. Guess I need to change that.
post #82 of 418
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Originally Posted by Jack Dnim View Post
Cooper from Eurotrip. Didn't realise until this last ep.
Bingo. Holy shit, ha.
post #83 of 418
This sure is light entertainment but great nonetheless. A very fun show. And I know my exposure to them has only been through films and books, but really love crazy southern chicks.
post #84 of 418
I'm with the camp that thinks the second episode was better than the premiere. Cooper was just a fantastic character and he and Rayland had great chemistry together.

I'm in.
post #85 of 418
My only concern is I am not really sure what the show is. Is it a bunch of stories about Olyphant chasing bad guys (as this is the job requirement of a US Marshal) or will it be US Marshal vs Nazis in small rural town? Or a little of both? The premier certainly led me to believe scenario 2.
post #86 of 418
I think once Goggins gets out of the hospital, they'll go for a bigger arc. Perhaps one involving Raylan's dad. They'll still keep the con of week, probably.
post #87 of 418
matalo, Scenario 2 seems to be the way the producers of the series are going, but they probably felt the need to establish that a former friend, and miner is now in a white supremisist group, and that is why his group was featured in the first episode.
post #88 of 418
The fact that Elmore Leonard really likes what they are doing with the show and is behind it 100% bodes very well for Justified. If he starts contributing more to the show we may see some really amazing stories on the small screen.

I now look forward to this more than Lost on Tuesdays.
post #89 of 418
They must have somebody real choice lined up to play Raylan's pops. 3 shows in a row he has been brought up. Hoping for Scott Glenn.
post #90 of 418
Loved it. Love the dialogue. Love the Leonardesque-situations and the characters. I'm hooked.
post #91 of 418
This show may be the best weekly procedural show ever. It's like Matlock + The Closer + Stuff I Like.

I can't wait to rewatch this on DVD...Honestly, my head is still so mixed up from Lost that I can't appreciate it properly.
post #92 of 418
It's official- I kind of love this show.

I'm so over the party pooper notion of not wanting bodies to pile up every week, I've been given a satisfying shoot em up with great character work and a swell sense of humor. In essence, a weekly series that carries Elmore Leonard's name that seems to deserve that baggage.

So yeah, they pay lip service to the notion of reality, Givens will catch hell each time he pulls his gun, but fuck reality, if I want reality I'll pay my bills for once. Keep it coming.
post #93 of 418
That was great. Very Leonard, very talky, matter of fact violence, understated humor (The argument about the price of gas). Greatly enjoyed that. The Fixer character fely exactly like someone from a Leonard novel. I can't stress enough how important not just the dialogue, but conversations, are in a Leonard adaptation.


Probably only some will understand this, but I really want Harry Arno to be on this show(And I'm fairly certain the black guy is a loose adaptation of a character from Riding The Rap that Arno sends on a very similar job to get money from a deadbeat) . He's a semi-important old bookie that always gave Raylan trouble in Pronto Riding The Rap, and at least one other encounter that Leonard mentions in Pronto, but isn't from a book.
post #94 of 418
If we can have a Whedonverse, then why not a Leonardverse, where all kinds of Leonard characters show up?

Or, how about somebody pay me to adapt Freaky Deaky, since I don't think QT is ever going to do it. Love that book.
post #95 of 418
This is turning into must-see-tv for me as well. Pity the people that stayed tuned for V after LOST. Olyphant's work here is just dazzling.
post #96 of 418
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They must have somebody real choice lined up to play Raylan's pops. 3 shows in a row he has been brought up. Hoping for Scott Glenn.
That's one of THE most genius casting suggestions I've ever heard. I've been wondering who they'd cast and trying to come up with my own ideas, and I just keep hitting brick walls.

(Speaking of casting, I'd been busting my brain trying to figure out where I recognize Joelle Carter from, so I finally IMDB'd her, and she's Cusack's ex who reviews movies with a pen light in High Fidelity. So hot.)

Last night's episode was fantastic. Loved Pinter. Loved the moment when Pinter turned the tables on his captors by letting them know he knew the girl was in on it, but later showing her some misplaced but sincere mercy because he knew she was just doing what he'd taught her to do. Great stuff.

Olyphant is a goddamn titan.

Hated to see Mims get killed, but loved how it happened, and how Travers was a man of his word about being whomever he needed to be at the time, and how the episode made you believe he could pull it off.

Can't wait to see what's next.
post #97 of 418
This episode was slower than the other 2, but still very entertaining.
post #98 of 418
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This episode was slower than the other 2, but still very entertaining.
Define slower, Duke. This episode was actually throwing more (theoretical) curveballs at you at a faster pace than the previous two episodes. The previous eps kind of worked from a place of foregone conclusion- showdown with Walton Goggins, escaped convict possibly locating hidden money (I thought the plot twists in the second episode, while still enjoyable, were thoroughly predictable). This time I was kind of unsure how it would all play out, which is how it should be in a Leonard inspired world.

I'm no expert on the writings of Elmore Leonard, but it seems to me you can usually count on the 'hero' to win, but how they go about it and the fate of ANY secondary character is up for grabs. I just really love the world of slimeballs, intelligent and or overconfident and not so bright and overconfident that this show is developing.

Or I'm just a sucker for a well done modern day western. I'm hooked.

Cowboy Noir.
post #99 of 418
The reason this feels like genuine Leonard to me is that the villains are smart in their dumb kinda way. Slime-bags that think they know everything but ultimately get fucked because of how greedy they are.

They also never have it easy because Leonard makes sure they don't get situations like typical villains. Like the way the way the one guy couldn't torture Pinter because he's done too much good for him, or they way they're really in a jam because Pinter figures out the con with the waitress. Or the plot to gun down the law man with the reveal that Travis is actually much more sinister (or stupid) than the other guy and cold bloodedly shoots him. That's Leonard. And all of that comes out of conversations that also touch on the cost of gas and dildos and shit like that. That's why I'm loving the show. It's this element that actually excites me the most. I guess that's why I don't mind the "showdown a week" type of plot
post #100 of 418
Pottery Guy from Community is a hell of an actor. Best thing about the show? They have a great lead character and actor, but they don't use him as a crutch. They focused on the weird, dumb, and smart criminals, just like a great Leonard book. I can't believe this show is on TV.
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