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Originally Posted by Mr.Crowley View Post
Dude, you need the depleted uranium shells to penetrate the insurgents heavy armor.
Yeah, and all those main battle tanks, and HINDs, and fortified emplacements, not to mention their BattleMechs....

As with a lot of military tech, its boys with their dads credit card wanting cool toys. The advantages are usually rather academical in nature, and while yes, there probably is an iraqi corpse somewhere that would still be walking around if a depleted uranium bullet had not penetrated his awesome cover of bricks and wood, one has to wonder whether he would have been there in the first place if he hadnt seen the malformed kid of his best friend.

But lets be honest here: War is still as ugly, dirty, cruel and unfair as it has been for thousands of years. Whether its depleted uranium shells, nerve gas, flame throwers, jagged-edged swords, barbed arrows or just a pointy stick coated in frog poison, we havent advanced one bit in terms of humane warfare.... because frankly, that idea is never going to get past that.
People who fight for their lives, which is what any combat is, no matter the odds, arent playing nice any more than they absolutely have to... and even then, only if the repercussions are severe.
post #52 of 56

Iraqi vote signals shift from religious leaders

From Yahoo

By LARA JAKES, Associated Press Writer Lara Jakes, Associated Press Writer – 40 mins ago

BAGHDAD – Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's political coalition took an early vote lead Saturday in the election's all-important battleground of Baghdad, pulling away from its two closest rivals in the latest indication that Iraqis want a moderate government instead of Shiite religious hard-liners leading the postwar nation.

Partial results released by the Independent High Electoral Commission showed the State of Law coalition with about a 60,000-vote edge nationwide over its main moderate challenger, the secular Iraqiya coalition. The Shiite fundamentalist Iraqi National Alliance was in third place.

The partial Baghdad vote was released amid utter disarray in the election commission's headquarters, where the results were flashed on big-screen TVs but yanked down moments later, only to be released yet again. It was the latest in a series of blunders marring the counting process as results have trickled out slowly.

The chairman of the electoral commission, Faraj al-Haidari, said preliminary nationwide results could be released as early as Sunday — a full week after the vote for a 325-member parliament that will choose a prime minister to form a government that will lead the country as U.S. troops prepare to go home.

Allegations of fraud also have plagued the ballot tally. The electoral commission said more than 2,000 complaints had been received as of Saturday but it gave no specifics, saying only that they would be investigated.

With 18 percent of the ballots counted in the province that includes the capital, al-Maliki's State of Law coalition had almost 159,000 votes, followed by the Iran-backed Shiite religious grouping the Iraqi National Alliance with about 108,000 and the moderate and secular Iraqiya coalition tallying about 105,000.

Baghdad is the largest prize in the vote, with just under a fifth of the total parliament seats up for grabs.

"We have promised the people of Baghdad and Iraq that the next four years will be the phase of construction and better economy, and we will live up to our promises," Haider al-Ibadi, a senior State of Law official, said after the capital's results were announced. "And we will join forces with any other political blocs that are committed to the same agenda."

So far, al-Maliki's coalition is leading in five of the 11 provinces where the vote has been partially counted. Iraq has a total of 18 provinces.

Nationwide, State of Law has so far amassed more than 357,000 votes, and Iraqiya was trailing with 295,400 votes. The INA was in third place with just over 280,500.

Outside Baghdad, all of al-Maliki's leads are in southern provinces where Shiite hard-liners were expected to bring stiff competition. The south is generally considered friendly turf for the INA, made up of the Supreme Islamic Iraqi Council and followers of the anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr — two groups that are linked to Iran.

U.S. officials have long worried that religious hard-liners — especially those influenced by Iran — would take over the still-shaky government and undo much of the progress toward making Iraq a reliable ally in the Middle East.

Hakim al-Zamili, one of the INA's Sadrist candidates, played down al-Maliki's gains and said Iraqis still "are religious and they still respect religious parties."

Even so, al-Zamili acknowledged that some voters have grown tired of fundamentalist politicians.

"We should confess that some people have turned their back on these parties because they were disappointed by the performance of inefficient officials linked to religious parties," al-Zamili said.

Al-Zamili was one of two former government officials arrested and accused of allowing Shiite death squads to use ambulances and government hospitals to carry out kidnappings and killings, although the charges were dropped two years ago.

Al-Maliki broke off from the Shiite alliance more than a year ago in an effort to win support from a broader base. If his lead holds, it will serve as another, even bigger blow to religious leaders against whom he also fared well in last year's provincial elections.

Many experts have noted the rejection of nationalist, non-religious coalitions reflects Iraqi frustration with years of sectarian fighting as well as frustration over the past four years of religious parties to improve much needed government services.

"The voters have shown that they are fed up with the religious parties that failed to improve their life," said Nabil Salim, a political science professor at Baghdad University.

Iraqiya is led by one of al-Maliki's predecessors, former Premier Ayad Allawi, who is also Shiite. However, Iraqiya has attracted Sunnis who have similarly rejected their own religiously based politicians but remain suspicious of al-Maliki's continued, if lessened, ties to Iran.

Iraqiya officials kept up a drumbeat Saturday of fraud accusations — including discarded ballots and the failure of some provincial ballot boxes to be delivered to the counting center in Baghdad — that they alleged may have cost them votes.

"Our stance is that there were violations and we want the truth about them," said Iraqiya spokeswoman Maysoun al-Damlouji.

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Associated Press Writers Ben Hubbard, Sameer N. Yacoub, Rebecca Santana and Katarina Kratovac contributed to this report.
post #53 of 56
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Originally Posted by Seabass Inna Bun View Post
Don't know about 'anyone', but this Noah guy does. And you know full well that the American Right will continue to try to make a silk purse of Operation Pig's Ear forever. Bush apologists did so 7 years ago, they'll do so today, they'll do it tomorrow. I can't imagine the American Right being concerned about the Iraqi people for their own sake because they're the same people who spent months lying about how killing hundreds of thousands of them is justified.
It's interesting that you always associate me with the Republican Right, when I keep telling you I am a Clinton-Gore-Obama voting Democrat (Pro-Healthcare Reform, Pro-Environment, Pro-Choice) who supported Bush on only 1 issue. Actually, I also supported his moderate immigration stance that his fellow Republicans hated.

You always state the total number of Iraqis killed since the invasion and then blame America for all of them when everyone knows that Iraqi insurgents, terrorists and militias killing their fellow citizens are responsible for the vast majority of them.

And don't tell me that Iraqi extremists are not responsible for the death tally when they car-bomb street markets just because they were invaded seven years ago. Americans are responsible for the deaths they created, but so are the Iraqis. I can understand them shooting and bombing occupying American forces, but not their fellow citizens.
post #54 of 56
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Interesting.

Ayad Allawi takes a narrow lead over Nouri al-Maliki in Iraq election

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Ayad Allawi, the former Iraqi Prime Minister, took a narrow lead in parliamentary elections that seem set to herald months of political deadlock.

With 80 per cent of votes counted, Mr Allawi was ahead by 9,000 votes. He appears to have won five provinces while Nouri al-Maliki, the incumbent Prime Minister, won seven.

Even if he wins, Mr Allawi faces formidable obstacles to taking power. His Iraqiya bloc is projected to win 87 seats in the 325-member parliament, exactly the same as Mr al-Maliki’s State of Law Alliance.

Both will have to find coalition partners. This should favour Mr al-Maliki, who is a more attractive partner for the two other large parliamentary blocs, the Kurds and the Iraqi National Alliance, a coalition of mostly Shia religious groups.
Ayad Allawi had been complaining about voting fraud for the past week, but it looks like he might win the most votes anyway. He is winning in the province that contains the city of Kikurk, most were expecting the Kurds to win there.

His only problem is that all votes in that contested province are considered provisional untill all legal challenges are settled, the other provinces vote counts will be finalized around the end of the month. The seats his party wins there will still be up in the air when he is trying to negotiate with other parties to form a ruling coalition.

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According to Western observers and officials, manipulating the tallying of votes would be extremely difficult.

All results are entered into a secure computer system twice by two different people in different locations. As soon as a discrepancy shows up, a supervised recount is conducted.

Tampering with the election computers would be even more difficult, insiders say. The system scans entries for sudden changes and logs all data shifts for subsequent checks.

“Anyone attempting fraud would need the co-operation of the UN and the election commission,” said one official.
Not only that, but each party had a monitor at each polling location during the election and inside each counting area keeping an eye on each other.
post #55 of 56
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I got my question answered about the Iraq Election from the Baghdad Bureau of the At War, Notes from the Front Line blog on the New York Times.

Reader Q. and A. on the Iraq Elections
By ANTHONY SHADID


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Q. Will the parties be able to use the number of seats they win in Kirkuk right away in negotiating for a coalition, since they are only provisional according to the Election Law? Will those Kirkuk seats be able to cast votes in Parliament before they are finally confirmed? Will this affect the Parliament’s vote for president, prime minister and speaker?
Noah
San Diego

A. All these are possible. My sense is that you won’t see any breakthrough – in ways good or bad – any time soon in Kirkuk. The Kurds, of course, could protest their showing in Kirkuk, but I there’s enough American engagement there right now to head off any conflict. That won’t be the case long term. My sense is that the election will solidify a balance of power that promotes a temporary status quo, with a pledge to negotiate long-term sovereignty in, say, seven years or so. On your question about the seats themselves, nothing is confirmed until the results are certified, so Kirkuk’s representation will await the seating of everyone else. The seats themselves will probably fall in line with larger coalitions that are gathered to name a prime minister. Kirkuk is a little different, since there is a provision to allow a challenge of the voter rolls, but in the end, I’m not sure that challenge will affect the final balance of the seats.
post #56 of 56
Fifty more dead because America wrecked Iraq.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100406/..._mi_ea/ml_iraq
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