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Sean Penn ♥ Hugo Chavez

post #1 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:16am
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This is kind of old news now, but we all know that Penn has an affection for the Venezuela caudillo. But I really think he took things to another level when he suggested people (journalists) should be jailed for calling Chavez a dictator.

His friend Hugo, is happy for his support of course.

Chavez thanks Sean Penn for slamming his critics

What Penn doesn't realize is that his support does encourage people like Chavez. We've seen it with probably well intentioned comments by people like Chomsky, and not long after that Chavez rewards his friends with another draconian restriction on freedom of speech that they probably never find out. I'm guessing they don't read the Latin American press?

This week Chavez is now suggesting they need to impose new limits on internet freedom. I'm not blaming Penn directly for this, but I hope his realizes his comments are used to justify things I'm sure he wouldn't really agree with.

http://www.examiner.com/x-30835-Sout...t-in-Venezuela
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post #2 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:21am
I just wanna know what Barbara Streisand's orders are, before I make a move I might regret.
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post #3 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:26am
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Barbra would never send innocent journalists to the Gulag!
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post #4 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:34am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Barbra would never send innocent journalists to the Gulag!
Yeah that was Jane Fondas job wasn't it?
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post #5 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:36am
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Yeah that was Jane Fondas job wasn't it?
She was too busy shooting down US airplanes no?
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post #6 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:39am
An actor supporting radical, opposing politics outside the country that provides him work, financial security, freedom and countless other things the foreign politics he support deny their own countrymen?
Madness I say!
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post #7 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:41am
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Actually that's not really what bothers me, he has every right to be misinformed. I just found it really out of character for him to include that jail statement, maybe it was because he was in a bad mood because I hadn't really seen him cross that line before.
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post #8 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:48am
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Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica View Post
Actually that's not really what bothers me, he has every right to be misinformed. I just found it really out of character for him to include that jail statement, maybe it was because he was in a bad mood because I hadn't really seen him cross that line before.
Did you actually see or hear him make the statement ElCap or was he being quoted?
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post #9 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:54am
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Both, he made the statement on Bill Maher's show.

I actually think he was making a sort of point on libel maybe and it came out wrong? At the end of the day, I wish somebody would follow up with him and ask him if he really meant to say that to be quite honest. I also think his definition of dictator, meaning not democratically elected is really narrow and wrong ...
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post #10 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:56am
I'll have to watch it.
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post #11 of 30
3/17/10 at 10:19am
Didn't he say that Chavez helped him get doctors and medical supplies into Haiti? I must have missed the part where he slammed Chavez's critics.
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post #12 of 30
3/17/10 at 12:07pm
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Didn't he say that Chavez helped him get doctors and medical supplies into Haiti? I must have missed the part where he slammed Chavez's critics.
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PENN: The collaborative opportunity in Haiti, when you talk about Hugo Chavez, and some of the other people who are demonized [think Castro], and you know, when some of these countries accuse us of an occupation -- where I believe this was strictly a humanitarian action by the United States military, and an incredible one – I’m a little sympathetic. Because every day, this elected leader is called a dictator here, and we just accept it! And accept it. And this is mainstream media, who should – truly, there should be a bar by which one goes to prison for these kinds of lies.
Note what he says there at the beginning, he says the US intervention of the US military in Haiti for relief was a good thing, yet tries to clumsily explain away why Chavez accused president Obama of a military occupation of Haiti, with soldiers just standing around doing nothing to help the population.
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post #13 of 30
3/17/10 at 12:11pm
I dunno. He seems mostly to be saying that the situation is fucked on all sides, with everyone saying stupid stuff.
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post #14 of 30
3/17/10 at 12:28pm
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He's saying its not OK for somebody in the press to call Chavez a dictator (to the point of having them spend jail time), but it's understandable that Chavez accused president Obama of wanting to occupy Haiti.
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post #15 of 30
3/17/10 at 12:33pm
You know what works great for shutting journalists up? Bleach.
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post #16 of 30
3/17/10 at 1:17pm
Actors with political agendas should be taken with a grain of salt.

Penn, on the other hand, should be taken with several bags of lye.

He's quite insane. Not passionate, mind you. Insane.

This is a man who said his critics should die screaming from rectal cancer.

This is a man who reportedly beat and tied up Madonna during their marriage. Without her consent, mind you.

Any positive views he might have had must be seen through the prism of his insanity. Sure, you can make allowances for his 'art', but when he finally snaps and starts killing people.....you'll know he'll have to be put down like a mad dog.
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post #17 of 30
3/17/10 at 1:19pm
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He's saying its not OK for somebody in the press to call Chavez a dictator (to the point of having them spend jail time), but it's understandable that Chavez accused president Obama of wanting to occupy Haiti.
I think he's sticking up for the democracy that America's spent the better part of this decade loudly crowing about. Chavez was democratically elected - you can't just call him a dictator because he's fruit loop. EVeryone expects BS from politicians and Chavez is no exception - Hell, he's the poster boy - but the MSM should be held to greater accountability for sloppy stuff.

Ultimately it's all "well, we said this so you can kind of understand why they hate us", which is pretty childish, but it's hardly stuff to string him up about.
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post #18 of 30
3/17/10 at 1:36pm
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I think he's sticking up for the democracy that America's spent the better part of this decade loudly crowing about. Chavez was democratically elected - you can't just call him a dictator because he's fruit loop. EVeryone expects BS from politicians and Chavez is no exception - Hell, he's the poster boy - but the MSM should be held to greater accountability for sloppy stuff.
You can be democratically elected and still be a dictator, specially when you clearly subjugate all the other branches of government.

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Ultimately it's all "well, we said this so you can kind of understand why they hate us", which is pretty childish, but it's hardly stuff to string him up about.
On that one, it's not a big deal but it's pretty idiotic. How can you praise president Obama's involvement of the military in the Haitian relief effort while defending the guy who accused the president of trying to expand the the "Empire" and try to take over the country by force.
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post #19 of 30
3/17/10 at 1:40pm
Easily. He's not agreeing with what Chavez said, he's just saying that he can understand the guy's antagonistic attitude towards America given the falsehoods reported about him.

Please understand: I'm not a Chavez fan. I'm not even much of a Penn fan. And I don't agree that journalists should be jailed for crappy reporting. But in the grand scheme of things, Penn saying something fairly innocuous and capping it with a dumbass "jail them" aside is hardly Brando sending Sacheen Littlefeather up to the podium in her best squaw outfit. It's par for the course.
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post #20 of 30
3/17/10 at 1:45pm
He's saying that a huge amount of crackpots (a whole party and their grunts, actually!) are calling Obama a dictator and nobody does shit about it. Hence, when someone else on earth calls us on the image we're projecting, you can't be surprised.

eta: Took too long to type that. Merriweather said it better.
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post #21 of 30
3/17/10 at 2:22pm
LOL Dr. Vivisector!
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post #22 of 30
3/17/10 at 3:02pm
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He's saying that a huge amount of crackpots (a whole party and their grunts, actually!) are calling Obama a dictator and nobody does shit about it. Hence, when someone else on earth calls us on the image we're projecting, you can't be surprised.
Huh? I don't think anybody is saying that at all.
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post #23 of 30
3/17/10 at 10:01pm
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You know what works great for shutting journalists up? Bleach.
Big Vlad Putin prefers good old fashioned hitmen. But he's a traditionalist like that.
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post #24 of 30
3/17/10 at 10:32pm
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Putin is old style, he doesn't mess around at all.
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post #25 of 30
3/18/10 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post

This is a man who reportedly beat and tied up Madonna during their marriage. Without her consent, mind you.
I respect the fact that you mentioned this in an attempt to be fair and illustrate that Penn isn't all bad.
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post #26 of 30
3/18/10 at 11:19am
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I respect the fact that you mentioned this in an attempt to be fair and illustrate that Penn isn't all bad.
No one is as good as they think they are, or as evil as others consider them.

Sean has a way of getting beautiful blondes to marry him. It's the tying up and beating thing that seems to trip him up.
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post #27 of 30
3/18/10 at 11:22am
In all fairness if you have to beat someone up, tying them up beforehand is safer for both of you. Otherwise they may start fighting back or running around trying to get away and end up hurt worse than they were supposed to.
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post #28 of 30
3/18/10 at 11:25am
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In all fairness if you have to beat someone up, tying them up beforehand is safer for both of you. Otherwise they may start fighting back or running around trying to get away and end up hurt worse than they were supposed to.
I see what you mean....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvAs1pos3TA
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post #29 of 30
3/18/10 at 11:55am
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In all fairness if you have to beat someone up, tying them up beforehand is safer for both of you. Otherwise they may start fighting back or running around trying to get away and end up hurt worse than they were supposed to.
In all fairness, if you have to tie up someone and beat them up, you can make a lot worse choices than Madonna.
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post #30 of 30
3/18/10 at 5:18pm
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In all fairness, if you have to tie up someone and beat them up, you can make a lot worse choices than Madonna.
The problem with tying up and beating Madonna is eventually you have to let her go. Then she'll kill you and eat your head. And no, not the good head.
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