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THE MESSENGER: The Story of Joan of Arc (1999)

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Has anyone else seen this one? I'd avoided it till now for some reason (not really entirely sure why), but caught it on DVD last night

Jovovich was fine, though perhaps a bit one note. Wild eyed/crazy was all she really brought to the table, and I think a portrayal of the character that actually acknowledged her sin of pride (by showing her perhaps enjoying the glory) would have been more interesting. At the end she confesses to Dustin "Jesus?" Hoffman that she had been proud prideful and cruel.. but it's kind of a bust because you never really saw much of that in her performance. She was essentially doing a warrior savant version of Hoffman's RAINMAN shtick for the entire film.

The film was clearly trying to cash in on BRAVEHEARTS success, and I bet the studios were hoping the film would copy the template laid down by Gibson, but the fact of the matter is that the film is very very French. Besson brings alot of weirdness (along with heightened comic touches) that make the film hard to take seriously as a historical epic.


For example, why does Fay Dunaway look like an alien from THE 5TH ELEMENT?


The best part of the film for me probably was the middle section with the battles. The film managed to work up some rousing energy and I got pretty thrilled by Joan's remarkably lucky antics.

Also, the climatic burning was remarkably effective and I was clenching my teeth throughout the ordeal. You know it's coming the whole movie, but the way the film chooses to smash cut to it from the shot where Hoffman/Jesus(?) confesses her is a big shock

PS Creepy Psychic Jesus was VERY scary.

PPS: For the record, Joan<Alexander. Alexander didn't fight for other people. He didn't fight because "god" told him to. He fought to avenge his nations honor. And once that was accomplished, then he fought for glory. He didn't need absurd and self deceptive motivations in order to want to conquer

Joan should have maybe learned to read, because then she'd have known how Alexander III of Macedon got things done. Things might not have turned out so poorly if she'd known some history
post #2 of 9
Have no idea whats going on in the initial post, but definitely a fan of this flick. Milla plays batshit crazy really well, and the fact that Besson is willing to run with Joan as being batshit crazy is still fascinating.

The last time I could say that about a Luc Besson film, sadly.
post #3 of 9
Isn't this the film that effectively ended Bessons career as a Hollywood director?
post #4 of 9
^ I hope so, Rain Dog. I couldn't get through this movie..it was a collection of every dumb ass cliche used in Hollywood. My eyes started rolling when Milla asks her fellow Frenchmen to fight the Brits, they show no enthusiasm, and she actually says "Oh I get it. It's 'cause I'm a WOMAN!". And that was the highlight!

The Passion of Joan of Arc is a superb film by one of the most beautiful and talented actresses in history. Watch THAT film, burn this one!
post #5 of 9
I also liked The Messenger.

One thing, even though it's been over ten years, I''m pretty sure Hoffman wasn't playing Jesus. Another radical interpretation, Kate.

If I recall the movie does a fine job of walking the line in the depiction of Joan of Arc; suggesting both bat-shit insanity and a touch by the Divine.

The battle scenes weren't jaw droopingly amazing as Braveheart (or Gladiator) but they work.
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I also liked The Messenger.

One thing, even though it's been over ten years, I''m pretty sure Hoffman wasn't playing Jesus. Another radical interpretation, Kate.


If I recall the movie does a fine job of walking the line in the depiction of Joan of Arc; suggesting both bat-shit insanity and a touch by the Divine.
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He was Jesus or god, IMHO. Doesn't mean that he was the real god, he could have existed just in her mind I guess *

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The battle scenes weren't jaw droopingly amazing as Braveheart (or Gladiator) but they work.
Not as large in scale as BRAVEHEARD, but they had a kind of madcap energy behind them, and the music was pretty good. You got a sense of the ebb and flow of moral in the heat of combat, and how Joan was able to wield that to great effect.

Plus, her thing where she jumps the horse and slices the draw bridge rope (or when she topples the siege tower into the gate) were pretty rousing


*though I very much got the impression that the film was on the side that she was a divinely inspired savior of France, it just was saying that talking to god would have made you look crazy to everyone

This kind of annoyed me about the film. I felt like it was constantly asking me to buy into the idea that God** would give a shit about who ruled england or France beyond their people having self rule (which wouldn't be the case with any monarch, regardless of whether or not he was French or foreign born).

**if he even exists, which is very much in doubt.
post #7 of 9
I'm fairly fond of THE MESSENGER, as well. It's appeal for me is just what Elvis mentioned, it's handling of the "crazy with a chance of divinity" sense. It's got some nice scope and a pleasantly continental cast (with a few weird slight distractions, Hello Obi Wan Hoffman!) and Tcheky Karyo. For myself, I can overlook the historical elasticity in favor of a pretty intriguing character study. Alternately nervous, reckless, pious, saintly and vulnerable, Jovovich plays her heart out in this.

It's also real earthy, which ties into my favorite painting of Joan. Out of the hundreds of glorious takes on her (mostly with an emphasis on the 'Saint' aspect), it's Bastien-Lepage's that I insist on visiting anytime I get to the museum in the city.


This is the very human Jeanne d'Arc. A young woman simultaneously driven and tortured by her faith and the perhaps neurological delusion that God had chosen her for his instrument. Besson's film, for my money, captures that quite effectively. Her being confronted by her own conscience makes for a perfect mechanism to engage her (and our) questions. I just wish they had picked someone a little less distracting to embody the role.

I've got this, the Sobieski tv film and the Dreyer one. As with Hitler, Jesus, Lincoln or any other historical notable, I'm a little more interested in the varied approaches and their strengths and weaknesses than to the effort to find a 'definitive' portrayal. Besson and Jovovich don't play it as cerebral as the 1928 film, but what they do offer is an almost operatic tribute to one of the most misunderstood people of the last thousand years.
post #8 of 9
I like Luc Besson and was psyched to see this one in the theater back when it was released but walked away fairly disappointed. Over the years I've grown to like the movie a little bit more but I still think it's one of Besson's weakest films.
post #9 of 9
The only thing that makes this movie work as well as it does (barely) is the bond developed between Joan and her main crew of knights. This arc (no pun intended) is obvious but resonates.
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