Yes We Can! Chris Evans Is Captain America - Page 4

I used to have a friend who swore Beat Takeshi Kitano or Park Chan Wook would be perfect directors for the Punisher.
I usd to disagree, except for "The Slavers"; any of those two wuld knock an adaptation of that arc out of the park.

Damn. this means we could get a Power Girl film at WB?

Isn't Old Boy basically the Punisher except with infinitely more incest? (It doesn't seem to have the spiritualized message that would qualify it as a Count of Monte Cristo adaptation. Lady Vengeance seems to be a better fit for that.)

Yes, Vengeance is a theme with Chan-Wook, so I think the story of a man waging a perpetual, bloody vengeance against the underworld would be right up his alley.
"The Slavers" in particular would be a perfect fit; it hits all the sex, vengeance, violence, crime and corrupton themes.

Yeah, I'm just thinking that the Punisher would basically amount to a slightly less fucked up retread for him, given that Old Boy sort of has that exact plotline up until the final reveal.

What? They're about vengeance, but the way that flows through the character is much different in Old Boy compared to Punisher.

This had not occurred to me, but it's obvious and brilliant in hindsight.

I know, it was just an idea; there's a slight theme similarity, but the execution/development is much different.
Im just saying that those two directors could make the Punisher character work through their respective visions/style.

Too bad we'll never know as the character is officially box office poison three times over. That has to be a record.

So is this the Marvel Fanwankery thread now? Holla baq if u wanted a Verhoeven directed Punisher!!

We're just discussing what might have been, that's all.

You're a lousy Punisher fan if a Verhoeven Punisher doesn't appeal to you!

Hey, name one superhero related thread that didn't at some point turn into fanwankery, just one.

Death Sentence was the best Frank Castle movie ever.

"Frank Castle's family was killed in a shootout in Central Park"

Would you like to know more?

According to Bleeding Cool, there's talk saying keira knightly and ryan phillipe have joined the cast.

Although they are the first to point out that the info is from a deeply dubious source.

Bucky and Spitfire maybe?

Keira would make a lousy Bucky.

Before you read further, let me say this right up front: I don't know anything about Mr America beyond what I've read in the recent news items that have lead to this casting announcement.. but if you want to hear my thoughts all the same, than read on

Ok, still with me?

I am sort of on the fence when it comes to Evans. I like him well enough (solid work in STREET KING and SUNSHINE turned me around after an abysmal debut in FANTASTIC FOUR), but feel no pressing need to go out and pick up the latest Evans flick as soon as it hits DVD. His casting isn't awful, but his name alone is not enough to spur my interest in the film (the way Branagh and Ray Stevenson have me pumped for THOR*). I'm not sure he is really right for the part (I've yet to be able to take him seriously as anything other than a whiny but competent second fiddle in a film), but I won't pretend that his name foreshadows a Captain America acting apocalypse. At least Channing Tatum* didn't get the nod.

Anyway, Evans is inoffensive and I hope he maybe can surprise me and blow past my expectations. I have no grudge and all things being equal would like him to do well in the role

I do have one big question though, one that I'm a bit perplexed has yet to be raised (at least as far as I know)

If you'll recall, when the GIJOE film was announced, there was a big debate as to whether or not a GIJOE film could succeed when international attitudes towards America were less than friendly. So great was this concern that GIJOE was turned into a multinational fighting force and the acronym was altered to stand for "Global something or other".

So, if GIJOE had to bend over backwards distancing itself from it's association with the USA in order to succeed overseas (and get greenlit), what are people expecting from a movie called Captain AMERICA?

I'd be curious to hear peoples thoughts on that

*another MARVEL character I know little to nothing about
*Whose performance in GIJOE I can only describe as 'learning disabled'

While I liked it, Bacon's character's not insane enough to be a decent Frank Castle analogue. Frank is highly skilled, single-minded and insanely one note. As silly as it was, Bacon's character at least knew some sort of descent into madness. The death of the Punisher's family was really just a good excuse to start killing people, something Frank always wanted to do (hence why he joined the army).

The full title is: The First Avenger: Captain America. In all likelihood, overseas it'll be sold on the words before the colon, in the US it'll be sold on the words after the colon.

PK, you lost me at MR America....sigh.

You held out about 5100 posts longer than the rest of us.

Thanks Matt M, I appreciate the info.

Even still, would the character name pose a problem given that I assume he will still be called Cptn. America for the international version? What about his star spangled armor? Will the poster nix it?

Or is the title change enough to kibosh any such controversy?

It's called humor.

JacknifeJohnny, Frank Castle, The Punisher...Is a Hero! Hopefully, Marvel will eventually make a film with...The Punisher, instead of the low budget companies like Lionsgate and their predecessor's, who produced the 2004 Punisher.

Maybe Marvel could figure out a way to attract people to the property. The only way to do a PG 13 Punisher though is to play him up as a hero in his...80's era tights with white gloves and boots. That Punisher could have less gore, and have him interact with other Marvel Heroes. Iron Fist, Luke Cage, DD, Nick Fury, they would all be good team ups. Maybe there should be...Marvel Team Up The Film featuring The Punisher, and Nick Fury, as they try to take down A.I.M., HYDRA, or another group of villains. If...80's Punisher made it to the silver screen, I would love to see his...Battle Van!

You guys DO realise that the rest of the world don't actively hate America anywhere near as much as Americans seem to think, right?

The NZ Natural, I do not get why people would hate...Captain America at all.

Yes! USA! USA! USA!

I remember the end of the Bush age when kids with dual citizenships would purposely not use the US passport and most of the rest of my distinguished peers would pretend to be Canadian.

Me? I just wore my Irish-American Caucus shirt from CDP and let the way I handled liquor do the talking.

I know, but all that GIJOE naming controversy stuff was a big story just last year

Australia is the New America.

In addition to the elongated title, the film is also set to include at least some form of The Invaders in a prominent role (according to the director). It is generally assumed that they will drop Namor and the original (non-Johnny Storm) Human Torch from the lineup and focus more heavily on the team's international members...particularly Union Jack and Spitfire, who will probably be played by people that are more famous than Chris Evans and/or are popular overseas (like the aforementioned Ms. Knightley, who probably wouldn't be a bad Spitfire at all).

So that's pretty much where it stands in terms of trying to attract an International audience. I wouldn't even be surprised if the overseas posters focus more on the "team" aspect and possibly even include a title change to "Captain America and the Invaders" or something of the sort.

But no, the director has said the guy is still going to be running around dressed up like the American Flag.

And I applaud whoever suggested Michael Fassbender as Union Jack.

If you're talking "X-Men'd", let's hope we don't get this...



I'm kinda surprised they haven't found a way to make some low-budget (and yet awesome) direct to video entries. Give the franchise to Isaac Florentine.

What????

What'd we do?

ahahahahahahaha Thor looks like he just got an awesome blow job in that pic.

And if they do, fuck 'em. Right? Fuck those countries.

You just earned a jug of beer from me on your return sir.

Q.F.Posterity.

On the subject of the Punisher and movies, I think there's a very simple reason they don't tend to do boffo box office numbers, and it was hinted at in a roundabout way earlier in this thread.

When you boil it down, the Punisher is a revenge story, and we've seen tons of those on-screen in the past, present, and probably the future too. Aside from wearing a big skull on his shirt (and sometimes we don't even get that) and maybe a higher body count/heavier artillery the Punisher doesn't really offer much that's fresh or new in terms of putting it on-screen.

He's basically the comic-book version of a slasher flick - People might go to see some creative and over-the-top kills, but it's unlikely they're expecting a particularly high-quality film. The good news, however, is that making a Punisher film is comparatively cheap compared to the flashier, Big FX Marvel characters...so it's likely we'll see him again someday.

Personally, I think they should bite the bullet (ha!) and just go with a Daredevil vs. Punisher flick.

Speak for yourself, imperialist puppet. In Europe you're not considered an adult until you have kidnapped a teenage American chick and sold her into sexual slavery. True story.

Pretty much. No cool abilities, no cool villains, no love angle for the female demo, nothing that sets him apart from the countless vigilantes we've seen on screen.

Well, they've killed 50% of his cool villains anyway. IF ONLY THEY'D GET TERRY CREWS FOR BARRACUDA!

Evi, Some of his cool villains are owned by other companies. Kingpin works just as well as a Punisher Villain, as he works in Daredevil or Spider-Man stories. Microchip creates/purchases all kinds of tech and weaponry for the Punisher to use to kill criminals even more effectively. In the 80's and 90's There was...The Punisher Battle Van. An armored battlewagon, is his personal vehicle and armed to the teeth, and it doubles as a way to bring more weapons than Castle can carry. The Punisher is a...superhero. He works better playing off other heroes as he goes far beyond in how they would deal with criminals. Frank Castle works the best with...Colonel Nick Fury of S.H.I.E.L.D., and they have teamed up several times in the comics and even were featured in a videogame together. Who did they battle? The Kingpin! The Punisher is far better than any other on screen vigilante, as he is a superhero that only kills criminals. So far all three Punisher films combined, had a lesser budget than a Spider-Man film and possibly even less than Daredevil. The Punisher should have a higher budget, so more collateral damage can occur, and they could actually film in NYC too. I would love to see Frank Castle push a thug off the roof of the Empire State Building, like he did in...Welcome Back Frank by Garth Ennis. I still think Garth Ennis first 25 Punisher stories are far better than the more realistic Punisher Max. Of course...Punisher War Zone is the best Frank Castle film.

I've been saying this forever about the B list characters. Daredevil, Punisher, tailor made for low budget DTV adventures.

I'd love to see Florentine direct Scott Adkins in a DTV Daredevil movie after having a lot of fun with Ninja recently (and rooting for Adkins to one day hit the mainstream)

And back to the thread topic, I've had an eye on Chris Evans since I had a really enjoyable time with Cellular in the cinema (haven't seen it since so not sure how it holds up).

I'd pay good money to hear Crews sing Sailing, Barracuda-style.

Keith F, The Punisher is...NOT a B list character! Frank Castle is...#1 with a bullet!

I keep reading about how "ripped" Chris was at WonderCon. I'm probably taking the piss, but in the one pic I seen of him, he didn't look all that ripped to me.

This has no bearing on his ability to play Captain America, but I wonder if some journalists aren't setting him up for a fall when he doesn't end up having a build like Hugh Jackman does as Wolverine.

I don't see getting ripped as much of a problem for the guy personally...

Bless you Rain Dog. Bless you.