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post #1 of 18
3/30/10 at 2:51pm
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RapeLay?

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Originally Posted by CNN.com
A member of the Institute of Contents Culture, who did not want to give CNN his name, said restricting game themes limits freedom of expression.

"In my opinion, RapeLay's storyline went too far. However, if a game creator wants to express something and create content out of it, a government or public entity shouldn't have the power to restrain it."
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post #2 of 18
3/30/10 at 2:56pm
Just when you think there's no where left to go, the Japanese take it up yet another notch.

Bravo!
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post #3 of 18
3/30/10 at 2:56pm
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Apologies if someone's posted about this already. I had no idea the game's 4 years old.
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post #4 of 18
3/30/10 at 2:57pm
I'm surprised you didn't hear about this sooner Nordling. A lot of the gaming sites have spent the past year agonising over the 'artistic freedom' vs. 'holy crap, it's a RAPE SIMULATOR' debate.
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post #5 of 18
3/30/10 at 3:00pm
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Yeah, I don't frequent game sites too much. I actually rely on you good people when it comes to games - that's why I'm picking up JUST CAUSE 2 first thing pay day.

Imo you can't really ban stuff like this. It just makes people want it more.
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post #6 of 18
3/30/10 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
Yeah, I don't frequent game sites too much. I actually rely on you good people when it comes to games - that's why I'm picking up JUST CAUSE 2 first thing pay day.

Imo you can't really ban stuff like this. It just makes people want it more.
If this gets banned, it (might, given the political potential) could pen a window to ban "Irreversible", "The Accussed", "Straw Dogs" and "Deliverance".
I say control and restrict access to it just like it should be done with porn, alcohol and etc, but banning it?
No...perversion gets freedom of expression and speech, unless it openly attacks/damages a real person.
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post #7 of 18
3/30/10 at 3:24pm
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Imo you can't really ban stuff like this. It just makes people want it more.


I feel the same way about grenade launchers.
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post #8 of 18
3/30/10 at 3:24pm
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If this gets banned, it (might, given the political potential) could pen a window to ban "Irreversible", "The Accussed", "Straw Dogs" and "Deliverance".
I say control and restrict access to it just like it should be done with porn, alcohol and etc, but banning it?
No...perversion gets freedom of expression and speech, unless it openly attacks/damages a real person.
But Deliverance doesn't park a fat guy's ass in front of you and invite and encourage you to pull on his ears and call him names while forcibly sodomizing him.

Letting games like this out is like giving a disturbed child a dog to beat the piss out of and then acting surprised when he's graduated to beating his classmates.
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post #9 of 18
3/30/10 at 3:31pm
Here's a Kotaku article on the subject: http://kotaku.com/5493314/standing-u...rn-legislation

This seems like a big deal to Ashcraft. Why? I have no fucking clue.
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post #10 of 18
3/30/10 at 3:41pm
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But Deliverance doesn't park a fat guy's ass in front of you and invite and encourage you to pull on his ears and call him names while forcibly sodomizing him.
That wasnt my point; My point was that even if its a whole different medium, getting one thing banned opens the window for oportunists polticians and groups to fuel their own censorship machines.
Remember "Seduction of the innocent" and the effect it had on Comic Books?
EC's horror and crime comics were the target, but a lot of other comics and creators were damaged as well.
Things like these escalates...hell, I come from a country were Iron Maiden couldnt perfom for several years because of Satanic issues, and that got applied to several other music groups.
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post #11 of 18
3/30/10 at 3:48pm
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That wasnt my point; My point was that even if its a whole different medium, getting one thing banned opens the window for oportunists polticians and groups to fuel their own censorship machines.
Remember "Seduction of the innocent" and the effect it had on Comic Books?
EC's horror and crime comics were the target, but a lot of other comics and creators were damaged as well.
Things like these escalates...hell, I come from a country were Iron Maiden couldnt perfom for several years because of Satanic issues, and that got applied to several other music groups.
We have a long, long history of protecting works of art in the realms of cinema, literature, and music. The track record isn't perfect (as you correctly noted - although that was self-censorship), but it's pretty good.

The difference here is the interactivity element. Nobody knows how it would be dealt with, but I truly doubt it would lead to already marginalized films, however brilliant, from being screened within the US.
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post #12 of 18
3/30/10 at 4:09pm
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We have a long, long history of protecting works of art in the realms of cinema, literature, and music. The track record isn't perfect (as you correctly noted - although that was self-censorship), but it's pretty good.

The difference here is the interactivity element. Nobody knows how it would be dealt with, but I truly doubt it would lead to already marginalized films, however brilliant, from being screened within the US.
A good example would be the Columbine RPG and the mods that recreat2 real tragedies, like 9/11 Survivor and JFK Reloaded.
However there's always Ken Russel's pro censorship film "A kitten for Hitler".
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post #13 of 18
3/30/10 at 5:12pm
So it should be banned because you can interact and participate in the violence?

What about porn then? Who doesn't "interact" when watching it? What about bondage and violence porn? Should they be banned too? Are you a bad person if you ejaculate to violence porn? Maybe, but they shouldn't be outright banned.

This smacks of the "Doom made me kill a classroom of my friends" arguments. Most people who play violent video games can distinguish between fantasy and reality. The game itself should not be banned because a select few who are like these games also are pyschopaths.
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post #14 of 18
3/30/10 at 5:57pm
The Japanese have an entire industry of rape and pedophilia simulators. It's... unsettling. And hilarious.

But it's a 4 year old porn game. No one's playing it any more... except when it gets mentioned in the news.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulain
But Deliverance doesn't park a fat guy's ass in front of you and invite and encourage you to pull on his ears and call him names while forcibly sodomizing him.
Don't go giving away your million-dollar ideas for free!

Oh, wait, the Japanese already beat you to it.

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post #15 of 18
3/30/10 at 6:03pm
This is the kind of thing that makes you embarrassed to self identify as a videogamer. Really despicable.
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post #16 of 18
3/30/10 at 6:12pm
Not to be an asshole but there isn't anything worthy of getting upset with this. It has been relegated to being an easy joke for a long time now.
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post #17 of 18
3/31/10 at 11:23am
http://kotaku.com/5506016/why-is-cnn...-about-rapelay

Why does Brian Ashcraft continue to report/defend this shit? Christ, Kotaku's shittiest writer also happens to be the creepiest.
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post #18 of 18
3/31/10 at 11:45am
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http://kotaku.com/5506016/why-is-cnn...-about-rapelay

Why does Brian Ashcraft continue to report/defend this shit? Christ, Kotaku's shittiest writer also happens to be the creepiest.
Shit writer , no doubt, but I think the point he was making (Its BS to raise controversy about a game that has been killed by its own company and an issue thats acually being adressed/corrected by developers themselves) got lost in the way because of how crappy his writing was; hell, his target was how stupid it was to raise controversy over something that has already been banned/discontinued and whose reason for controversy is being adressed by developers.
Hell, this is like complaining over the violence/gore in an old EC comic today while decades ago the Comic Book Code has been already implemented.
The game has been discontinued, Erotic Game companies in Japan seem to have ceased evelopment on these games or situations like these in other games, and there's a law in the works thats been fought by manga/anime creators because it will do harm to free speech if wrongly implemented.
Thats about it.
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