Obama appeases all the "drill baby drill" Goopers - Page 3

I guess it wasn't worth investing in a couple of emergency shut-off valves.

I go on vacation to Orange Beach and Gulf Shores, and I hate to think of its beauty being destroyed because of beaurocracy and laziness. Seeing pictures of sea turtles and squids washing ashore just makes me want to cry.

The mood here is pretty damn shitty, I can tell you that.

That would be a bathyscape, which is LIKE a submarine but not the ones we currently have active. It was sort of lowered to that depth and it took a long time to pull it back up... so, theoretically they could LOWER a cap on top of the gushing oil however they have no way to weld it in place since people cannot just leave a bathyscape (they would be crushed) and there is no robotic arms on one of those. We decided to go unmanned robotic submarine route, instead of manned bathyscape route. Technology's bad!

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-...ine-can-go.htm

Like I said on the previous page... there are no SUBMARINES that could go to that depth of 5000 ft. Now, keep in mind... that's with PUBLIC information. I have no idea about classified shit.

what part of the gulf coast are you from?

Got ya. Figured it was probably a terminology issue. And yeah, considering how much faster our aircraft carriers move over their claimed top speeds, it's anybody's guess what the real operating depth on our subs are.

I'd like to introduce you to the DSV Alvin. Been in service since '64, manned, has robotic arms, has made multiple dives to the wreckage of the Titanic and to black smokers, and is not a bathyscaphe. Can go for 9 hours at 4500 metres deep.

Seriously dude, five minutes on Google and Wikipedia to find that shit.

[edit]Oh yeah, there's also the Mystic class DSRV that dives to 5000 feet, is manned and has a robotic arm. There are only two, and one's been decommissioned, but the other's mothballed and could potentially be put back into service.

I was under the impression that Alvin was out of service. Interestingly enough, Alvin's status hasn't been updated since 2008. Either way, they're not sending Alvin down there. Alvin operates a lot like the bsphere I was talking about above, remember Alvin is not a submarine. She needs a support ship to drop her in and she has a limited range from the support vessel. The oil would gum up the works something fierce. That's why they're using robotic DSV's, they have better range (we're not talking depth here) and can come in from the side where there is little to no oil (dive down and attack the problem from near the bottom)

Pensacola.

Can't they like you know, just drop a huge rock on it?

If this incident wasn't so catastrophic, I might have said it's a good thing, in the long run... this could very well put a halt to much, if not all of the administrations baffling "drill baby drill" nonsense. But because it's such a disaster, I'm not even sure the end of ALL off-shore drilling could offset it. At least it'll shine a spotlight on the insanity of Sarah Palin types.

It's kinda like how I hope Tea Partiers are responsible for the failed NY bombing -- ideally, I'd like for no one to be put in a position to potentially lose their life to some political maniac, but if it does happen, some good might as well come of it in the form of shifting the publics attention.

It's interesting (and not at ALL surprising) how damn near every single one of the "drill baby drill" assholes in my community/region totally change their tune when something like this inevitable atrocity takes place.

Once the inevitable reality of offshore drilling gets shoved right in everyone's face, they don't like it so much. Because fucking up all the water around us isn't an option, gas needs be damned.

Now they're all sitting around like, "but... but... the oil companies ASSURED us this couldn't happen!"

Yeah, it's like the rest of us have been saying forever. Oil companies are run by greedy fucking whores and they don't give shit. They lie.

I just hope this wakes people up enough to not create any new drilling operations out in the gulf, and also to really start busting ass on new energy sources.

Fuck what an oil company tells you regarding their technology. Is it important to you to not have fucking catastrophes like this? Then there's one common sense way to insure they don't happen: don't drill out in the fucking water. Otherwise you're just asking for it to be ruined and polluted.

Lovely:

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_15980/cont...tguid=T1dHWrmZ

Also known as The Killer Croc Solution To Everything (TM).

Funny thing is, is that I heard that this might even work!

someone here has had to have heard to conspiracy theory that the destruction of the Oil rig was due to an North Koren sub.

This isn't good. Apparently the fire boom's can contain 1800 barrels an hour and the government didn't have any on hand and when they did get them, they didn't use them. This shit could have been contained a lot better or you know, at all./

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so is it Bill Clinton's, George Bush's or Obama's fault? Or are we just indicting the federal government in general? What would you have said to spending millions of dollars on this kind of technology two months ago?

Well, if you read the article it said they were given pre-approval to burn. Seems like it's someone down the chain's fault.

ETA. My bad, it was the former NOAA guy that said they were given pre-approval to burn ... as in from the plan in place. This means the current government never implimented the plan. So, the answer is Obama. And for the record, the fire boom costs a few hundred thousand dollars... not millions.

you're such a fucking moron.

What a disaster, so we never had the equipment to handle this in the first place. The part that irks me with relation to the current administration is that they were thinking of allowing more drilling in the Gulf, would have been nice if somebody reviewed how ready we were to handle this exact scenario before suggesting such a thing.

This pretty much is the definition of government..

Proactive is not in the American dictionary.

I'm going to have to assume you're being a bit sarcastic, though. Otherwise, I do believe you're in for a string of rude awakenings over the next 20 years or so, as we really start to reap what we've sown.

http://www.politico.com/largevideobo...id=82523507001

Obama administration "Ready from day 1!"

Thing is, Snaieke, when this happens on a Democrat's watch, they scramble to get it fixed. When, say, a city gets washed away by a hurricane, a Republican would just sit at home and pat Michael Brown on the back.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Ex-FEMA head Brown says Obama wanted the spill.

Really, Brownie? How about a heaping dose of "Go Fuck Yourself!"

Brown's next gambit: "Obama wanted the oil spill so that everything would turn BLACK."

Awesome that Fox actually dug this guy up from wherever he's been the last 5 or so years. Didn't he already sufficiently prove that no one should ever give a flying fuck what he thinks about pretty much anything?

Yes. Yes he did.

Scramble to get it fixed? Dude, they took 8 days to go out and order the thing.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-sp...ill_anima.html

Look at the spill timeline, by day eight it had already reached land. The thing isn't stopped yet and apparently, this fire boom could have burned off as much oil as this thing has been leaking and recent studies indicate the flow is increasing and it could reach as much as 50,000 barrels a day (from the current est. 5000) and there aren't enough booms available to burn off that much oil.

I would almost, almost write off laying blame with the administration on the grounds that someone further down the chain should've been on top of this, making noise about it.

BUT, he had to open his fucking yapper about MORE drilling operations, which means they should've looked into the current reality thoroughly enough to have something like this in place.

Now, I'd like to think they would have before they really made any concrete moves to open up more drilling out there. But... we're here now. Fix the damn thing first. Then I'll worry about who fucked up and when.

This.

I can understand not anticipating certain things, but the moment you say you will allow more drilling and that we shouldn't worry about what just happened, it is not unreasonable to have expected them to do their homework.

Look you fucking cretin, they don't need "a" fire boom, they need many (at least six or seven it seems), and you're referring to a plan from a report that was done in 1994(!) and was never implemented, by any administration.

I agree, once Obama decided to open up more drilling he opened himself up to criticism on not being prepared for potential fallout. But please, let's not act like this is purely Obama's fuck up. This is the government's fuck up.

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And, let's be clear, BPs fuckup. Neither the private nor the public sector is incentivized to take these kinds of threats seriously until they happen, because they simply don't happen often enough to be profitable in the marketplace, or in the voting booth.

Then why don't they have 6 or 7? This is where a President is fucking instrumental. You have HIM call up and ASK other nations for help! You don't have some guy in the coast guard (or Navy, the article wasn't very specific) ask the manufacturer to see if he can wrangle up a few more. That's just fucking ludicrous! Not to mention ONE would be a hellova lot better than ZERO.

I understand JuddL, you're hyper-partisan and you can't see past the blue but try and remove your head from your ass for a minute and think how a real President would handle the situation.

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Oh and this is something that should have been done on DAY FUCKING ONE NOT DAY FUCKING EIGHT.

http://www.dec.state.ak.us/spar/evos/thennow.htm#resp

Not implimented you say? Hmmmmmmm

THIS is the type of response that should have happened, Alaska seems like they know what the fuck they're doing, why doesn't the federal government? Read the full link for all of their response capabilities.

You voted for Bush twice, right?

Hey Joey, I'm in Pensacola too, and let me add another voice of "Oh shit" to the discussion, being a local and all.

I really can't imagine that they're going to endorse more drilling after this debacle. Widespread panic hasn't occurred yet, but a few friends of mine who work in the condo/beach hotel business, they're already receiving cancellations and the like.


Just, most everyone I know is stunned about this. Even those who aren't directly involved in any of the tourist based industries. If this isn't contained or fixed, I could see this crippling the entire gulf. Most all our businesses are dependent on people vacationing here, so it's like this horrific domino effect.

Whoa. There's someone else on here from my hometown? Weird...

I'm not up on the latest "landfall prediction." Is it Saturday now? ETA: Maybe not. Looks like we might be spared a few more days. The main concentration is still off of Louisiana.

They appear to have burned some of the oil, no specifics given on how long or how much was burned. It's also worth noting they are about out of dispersant and the manufacturer is depleted and has to make more. At this point they're running out of options to contain the oil (with their boom plan, they don't have enough booms to cover the entire areas that will be affected) and before the relief well is completed (est. 90 days to complete, they started about two days ago I believe) they could have up to half a million barrels of oil* in the gulf before this is over or about 21,000,000 gallons. Rumors are the well has about 10 million barrels, it's understandable now why BP wants to drill a relief well instead of more aggressive options, this way they lose out on oil but they get their new rig up in place making them money before the government can say no more oil rigs in the gulf, very smart!

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-sp...gulf_burn.html

* at 5,000 barrels a day... however there are concerns that it could leak up to 50,000 barrels a day which would put it around 4.5 million barrels or just south of 200 million gallons of oil. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Yeah, I go to UWF. It'd be cool to meet another Chewer, send me a pm.

It's just hard to see any other outcome besides "Doom". How badly has Louisiana been impacted?

And does this 100 ton bell have any chance of working? I know a few folks in the charter business and there have been whispers about sueing BP, should thing go more south overall. Is it even feasible?

Sounds like joeypants may be doing some drilling of his own. High five!

Obama administration officially out to fuck southern states.

U.S. not accepting foreign help on oil spill. Aid offered by governments of Canada, Croatia, France, Germany, Ireland, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, Republic of Korea, Spain, Sweden, the United Kingdom, and the United Nations. "These offers include experts in various aspects of oil spill impacts, research and technical expertise, booms, chemical oil dispersants, oil pumps, skimmers, and wildlife treatment," the email read.

Now that's change you can believe in!


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ahhaha

Just make sure you use a reliable boom, jp...the last thing the Gulf needs now is another spill.

Oil spill officially reached Louisiana

Here's a map of the proposed booms to protect coastline, as you can see the Freemason island has all of the proposed boom deployed, good for them however there are other nearby places that were woefully lacking in boom as of May 1st when the map was created. I can't find an updated map...

http://www.nola.com/news/wide.ssf?ht...7fd21ca886.jpg

They plugged one of the three leaks but the same amount of oil is spewing out of the well but they're poised to contain the bulk of it with the big metal box that they're going to drop today. Hopefully it works however there is a lot of math and luck involved in this which means things could go wrong, infact.. what isn't being published is if this goes really wrong it could amp up the output from the 5000 barrels to up to the maximium 50,000 barrels. Let's all cross our fingers that the calculations weren't on a Windows PC

So juvenile, yet so funny. Ha. No, no. For now, I'm taken. Anyways...


I really hope this magic box works. I'm curious what the lasting impact will/would be if the leak is more or less stopped with it.

Yeah, saw that on Maddow yesterday. Pretty terrifying.

I have to, HAVE to go to the beach this weekend in case this shit hits land sometime soon. It gets so fucking hot/humid here the only way I can do the beach is if I'm in the water basically the whole time.

Once we hit some sort of "no swim" advisory, it's no more beach for me.

Re: the 50,000 barrel escalation... I was really hoping that link about the leaked memo I posted earlier would prove to be bullshit. Guess not.

It's alright. There won't be any spill. I swallow.

Ahem.

If there's any silver lining, there may be somewhat of an economic boom that will help the folks that run some of the more 'practical' beach based business. Boss of an uncle of mine owns a fishing camp in Venice, LA. Apparently BP has booked all 30 rooms at $1000 a pop for at least the next six months. As soon as the news was spilled, he was apparently approached with the contract. Ten to a room, with them hiring a cleaning service so the hotel doesn't have to expend those funds.

I imagine there are several similar stories going on, and will be more in case of landfall. At least that's something for part of the community down here. But I've heard stories of several charter captains have about 20-25 trips canceled each. I hope BP puts them to work or something...

So why no foreign aid? I sort of get it, afterall the liability for cleanup should fall to those responsible for it. I'm tempted to call in a few former dates who worked on oil rigs to see if there's any inside skinny to be had. My dad used to captain the supply boats so I'm sure he still has some connections there as well. This is getting pretty nuts.

(And on a very selfish note, I hope to god the folks in Apalachicola are doing something to conserve/protect the areas where they harvest their oysters and the like. That would be a sad, damn shame to see that-and other establishments like that go.)

Heh.