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post #1 of 39
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So, if this comes true, I'll be a happy camper. I'm stuck on my current AT&T contract until the end of this year, so that will give them time to work the bugs out of working with the Verizon network by the time I'm ready to switch. I was already considering switching to a Droid, but if they get the iPhone, I'm definitely there.

And probably a new model of phone will accompany this. Lifehacker has some more possible details, including a higher resolution screen, and a front-facing camera.
post #2 of 39
I'm not sure I buy the front-facing camera nonsense, but doubling the resolution, upgrading the processor to an A4 type processor, doubling the ram, a camera bump in Megapixels at the very least, and HD video recording seem like stone cold locks.
post #3 of 39
If this is true I'll drop my Storm like a bad habit. Verizon's network is so much better than AT&T's in the South it's insane. I would pick this up just for the ease of use in synching my home music/videos with my phone.
post #4 of 39
If the Sprint rumblings are true as well, I'll definitely consider it. Although from what I hear, there may be no multi-tasking on the non-AT&T versions.
post #5 of 39
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Originally Posted by JudgeSmails View Post
If this is true I'll drop my Storm like a bad habit.
I have to resist the urge to throw my Storm against the ground several times a week. Give me an iPhone, Verizon. Please.
post #6 of 39
as long as Verizon doesn't fucking neuter the phone and take out the already built in wifi functionality, sign me up...
post #7 of 39
Thread Starter 
Gizmodo supposedly has info on the new iPhone model. Interesting.
post #8 of 39
Honestly...I was planning on waiting for the iPhone on verizon as well...at first. But then the Droid came out and I realized that it was SO much better than the iPhone. Also, if you want a phone like the iPhone, and dont need a physical keyboard...I would look at the Droid Incredible, the new one from HTC.
post #9 of 39
So, no iphone on Verizon this year. Bummer.

And as a Droid user who also owns an iPhone, I believe that the iPhone OS is still at least a generation ahead of Android, if not more.
post #10 of 39
The biggest gap between Android and iPhone OS is the App Store and some OS features. Who knows how long it will take for Android development to catch up, if ever. But it's clear that right now that advantage: Apple. The hardware is slowly coming into parity as exemplified by the NexusOne, Droid and now the HTC Incredible. Personally, an iPhone on Verizon is all I need to convince me to switch carriers once my contract runs out.
post #11 of 39
I mean, the android hardware is so superior at present (and for the next two months) that it's not even funny. But, it's also because there's competition among handset makers. The advantage is that you can constantly purchase a cutting-edge phone. The disadvantage is that the fragmentation in the market is pretty severe.

It's worth noting that Android as an OS is a resource hog...the level of performance you get from Android on a Snapdragon is about equivalent to what you get with a 3GS, due to the way that Android is coded. (I don't really understand the nuts and bolts of this, but I've read enough to get the gist of how it works)
post #12 of 39
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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post
Gizmodo supposedly has info on the new iPhone model. Interesting.
Over 500K hits since posting at 10 this morning. Hard to tell if the "found" phone was an epic fuck-up or an orchestrated leak, but Gizmodo still has the post up i.e. no takedown notice as of yet.

As for Android, has anyone gotten a look at the HTC Incredible yet (Verizon)?

Edit: Almost 900K hits now.
post #13 of 39
Seems like that's a joke, since they're saying it was "found" lost in a bar. Yeah, Apple is going to let somebody out with their new iPhone, and the idiot's going to lose it in a bar. Falsity I say.

Texas seems to have a lot of AT&T towers, so I never have trouble with signal. I always am able to make calls and receive calls, and the same with texting on my iPhone.

I've had trouble with signal only with 2 phones, but that was an issue with the phones being pretty shitty, and me not checking them out thoroughly before I bought them.
post #14 of 39
It's definitely the real deal. Engadget and Gizmodo aren't exactly known for getting along, and the fact that they both IDed the phone, working independently of one another, is pretty damning.
post #15 of 39
Yeah, this is all but announced by Jobs. As it is, i like it a lot, but its going to take a lot to sway me from the EVO. Right now, i dont care what it costs, I WILL have that phone if the new apple announcement doesnt change my mind.

I wonder if an epic leak like this would change the Iphone Event date from the supposed June 22 to sometime, like, NOW. Just to get out in front of the story as best as possible. Gizmodo supposedly has a lot more coming on this phone, and I would want official press releases out now instead of a third party teardown.
post #16 of 39
Gizmodo isn't really much of a third party as it relates to Apple; more of a conduit I'd say. It's odd how this "leak" occurred as the HTC Incredible reviews were coming out. Well played, Stevie.
post #17 of 39
That "lost phone" was a total trip up to the Incredible. Purposefully leaked through some bullshit story about drunk employees in order to scuttle the next big Verizon sales blitz.

Android added 9000+ apps to its marketplace in March, Apple is playing catch-up no matter what anyone thinks.
post #18 of 39
Despite all reason and evidence that shows that Apple isn't playing catch-up to the rest of the market? Gotcha.
post #19 of 39
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Originally Posted by The LD View Post
Despite all reason and evidence that shows that Apple isn't playing catch-up to the rest of the market? Gotcha.
Hardware running Android has outpaced the 3gs in less than a years time, the Android marketplace is exponentially expanding to the point that Jobs is beginning to scramble and enforce cross platform coding bans. The suit against HTC is ridiculous and the EVO conceivably will outclass the iPhone 4x as soon as both hit the market.

Apple may still be in the lead but make no mistake they are already on the defensive and are already playing catch up when you think about the pace Android hardware is evolving at. Couple that with the onslaught of hardware from not one competitor like the old Apple vs. Microsoft wars but the iPhone is in the cross hairs of every cell phone manufacturer that has Google backing them to produce the "iPhone Killer."

The Nexus Two is rumored to be from Motorola and not from HTC and while the sales figures on the phone are no iPhone killer the bar it raised which has been surpassed by the HTC Incredible will only get higher as Google requests phones from its hardware partners that are top of the line flagship devices.

Props to Apple for getting the smartphone into the hands of the general consumer but the Nexus line of phones is the new F1 and technology will begin to trickle down from them in much the same way your commuter car benefits from the millions in R&D dumped into premier racing.
post #20 of 39
(1) The cross-platform coding ban is a shot at adobe and has nothing to do with Google. At All. Particularly since the permitted languages would all work for an Android app.

(2) Yes, Cell Phone technology moves quickly. One year ago, the 3GS was as powerful as the Droid, which came out in January. But, since Apple releases one phone per year, it has since been outpaced. In all likelihood, the 4G will offer noticeable tech enhancements when compared to everything else on the market. (Save for the EVO, but that's kind of a different thing altogether).

(3) The Android Market is impressive in some ways, a mess in others. Fragmentation is a severe issue and means that of those 9000 apps, only a portion are likely to work on your phone. In fact, if you read Engadget's review of the Incredible, they noted that there is a persistent problem with the market not showing applications as available, even when they are part of the market and should run on the phone.

Furthermore, the Android marketplace suffers from a lack of profit opportunity. Android users spend a lot less on applications, which drives many of the top developers away. As a result, Android applications tend to be less polished and as a whole, less useful. On the plus side, most applications are free and quite a number are useful.

(4) This is not Apple vs. Microsoft, because all companies have learned their lessons since then. With each iphone sold, Apple makes hardware profit, itunes profit, app profit, and soon, ad profit. Google makes ad and app profit, but as seen above, far less than Apple. The goal here isn't to have the most market share, but the most effective market share.

Android is both a nerd phone and a feature phone OS. Most android users are using things like the Eris or one of the Motoblur or Samsung installs. These aren't the hardcore smartphone users. They may not even know that they run Android, since it is so rarely mentioned in the marketing materials. These people are the low hanging fruit for handset manufacturers, since they sell the handset at a profit and spend next to nothing on software development. At the same time, they do very little on the whole for Google in either the revenue or mindshare battles, because they aren't using the phones the way a typical iphone user does.

Then, you have the business-class user, who is essentially entirely shut out of the android ecosystem.

Finally, you have the nerd user, like us. We buy the apps, view the ads, load music onto the phone, etc, etc. We use the phones to their fullest extent. And for people like us, Android is a good OS, although clearly a step behind Palm and Apple. The thing is, the advantages Android has over those systems are useful and go a long way towards making up for the shortcomings (hideous battery life, poor touchscreen response, lag, glitches, scam apps).

(5) Speaking about hardware is the most foolish means of differentiating phone OSes. That stuff is available to everyone.

In the long run, Android is almost certain to have more marketshare in terms of handsets than the iphone. But, it really won't matter. The iPhone is simply used differently than other phones (look up web-browsing numbers, apps per phone, app usage per day figures) - or just realize that in a week, the iPad has realized the same percentage of all internet traffic as all android phones combined. Long story short, this reminds me a lot of when the iPod was dominant but before the game was clearly over. You had people who got up in arms over iPod killers from iRiver because they had Ogg Vorbis or some shit.

The bottom line is that having both is good for consumers. Without Android, Mobile OSX wouldn't have gotten multitasking or a threaded inbox. Without Apple, Android wouldn't have many of the features that Google realized were important from its involvement in the iPhone development process. And once MS is back in the game, they're going to have people innovating too. But, unrealistically championing an OS...and based on the hardware of a small percentage of the handsets, at that...doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
post #21 of 39
Gizmodo is kinda fucked up for releasing that dudes name who "lost" the iphone, is alls I'm saying.
post #22 of 39
I didn't quote you, LD, because I agree with most of what you said, especially both OS' being good for the consumer.

My biggest disagreement is hardware not being the appropriate angle with which the discussion has commenced from.

The "low hanging fruit" as well as the dumbphone market is beginning to want smartphones for many reasons outside of doing business. They are going to want to see the big numbers like 4G, LTE, 1Ghz, 8mp, xGB memory, etc versus the software side. They aren't going to ooh and ahh over the upgrades to the OS'.

Fragmentation is absolutely an issue and Google best reign that in quick or end up frustrating a lot of the technologically non-savvy. Even though I placed an order for the Incredible I realize that allowing Sense and MOTOBLUR and other such proprietary skins over Android also further fragments the market Google must also wise up to this and get these hardware manufacturers into the Open Source game a little ahead of time to allow them to simul-release or shortly thereafter be able to update their skins.

Eris users are still awaiting 2.1 because of the need to make sure Sense plays well with it if I understand correctly.

Also, going back up in your post I wonder if you could expound on why you seemingly exclude the EVO from the podium when it comes to besting the iPhone? Is the 4G capability? I would assume the iPhone 4x will have some next generation data ability, no?
post #23 of 39
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Originally Posted by Rando View Post
Gizmodo is kinda fucked up for releasing that dudes name who "lost" the iphone, is alls I'm saying.
Which is the biggest reason I believe this is an orchestrated leak.
post #24 of 39
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I didn't quote you, LD, because I agree with most of what you said, especially both OS' being good for the consumer.

My biggest disagreement is hardware not being the appropriate angle with which the discussion has commenced from.

The "low hanging fruit" as well as the dumbphone market is beginning to want smartphones for many reasons outside of doing business. They are going to want to see the big numbers like 4G, LTE, 1Ghz, 8mp, xGB memory, etc versus the software side. They aren't going to ooh and ahh over the upgrades to the OS'.
I don't think 3G or 4G or the number of megapixels or how many GB of onboard storage make that much of a difference yet. Nor do upgrades. User experience and form factor are still what get non-techie people invested in a smartphone. Apple got both of these right out of the gate, and they're still doing it even with that increasingly stale OS. And on this front, almost everyone is playing catchup to Apple in one way or another. I think Palm has a way, WAY better user experience, but has horrible hardware. Android is unleashing God-level hardware, but still has a patched together user experience. Microsoft is trying to nail both with Windows Phone 7, and they just might do it.

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Fragmentation is absolutely an issue and Google best reign that in quick or end up frustrating a lot of the technologically non-savvy. Even though I placed an order for the Incredible I realize that allowing Sense and MOTOBLUR and other such proprietary skins over Android also further fragments the market Google must also wise up to this and get these hardware manufacturers into the Open Source game a little ahead of time to allow them to simul-release or shortly thereafter be able to update their skins.

Eris users are still awaiting 2.1 because of the need to make sure Sense plays well with it if I understand correctly.
Froyo (2.X version of Android that will allow individual components to be downloaded from the market) will supposedly help fix this, but it will all be for naught if they don't clean up the Market and get some dedicated game-age happening. They also gotta lock down some content partnerships with Netflix or Blockbuster or Amazon or something.

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Also, going back up in your post I wonder if you could expound on why you seemingly exclude the EVO from the podium when it comes to besting the iPhone? Is the 4G capability? I would assume the iPhone 4x will have some next generation data ability, no?
Not even close. AT&T has an intermittently functioning 3G infrastructure, so the likelihood of them getting a viable 4G network in place even for iPhone 5 is pretty...pret-ty....pret-ty....low. Verizon will supposedly have their 4G/LTE somewhat up and running by next summer, so maybe iPhone 5 could get some next generation data happening there, but who knows. I wouldn't bet on it.

I'd much rather Apple fix their archaic notifications and multitasking in order to make their devices a little more efficient. While their apps and web browsing are still mostly second-to-none, their OS experience is beginning to resemble an unfortunate mash-up between Windows Vista ("Hey, would you like to dismiss this world-stopping pop-up? Ok, what about this one...") and Windows 3.1 ("multitasking"). Honestly, it would feel like a severe downgrade jumping from Android w/ Sense UI or WebOS to iPhone at this point.
post #25 of 39
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
Also, going back up in your post I wonder if you could expound on why you seemingly exclude the EVO from the podium when it comes to besting the iPhone? Is the 4G capability? I would assume the iPhone 4x will have some next generation data ability, no?
I think the EVO is kind of off to the side because it's WiMax. Even Sprint won't commit to WiMax on the whole, because it's pretty apparent that LTE is going to be the standard. So, because the EVO is basically the HD2 with android and a WiMax radio thrown in, I think it's more an experiment than anything else...kind of like when Nokia released the N810 with WiMax a few years back...it was three years ahead of anything on the market, but it was also clearly a dead end from day one.

I doubt the new iphone will have LTE built in. Verizon is looking at late this year before it has any kind of significant LTE presence, and AT&T is running behind that. No point in building in the tech when they can just have a phone out six months later that runs on a newer generation of hardware. Sort of like how the original iphone didn't have 3G, since it was a relatively new tech at the time.
post #26 of 39
Doesn't AT&T have exclusivity until December? By then LTE will be rolling out to bigger markets and are Verizon willing to wait until iPhone 5x gets released summer of 2011?

I'd like to see more than speculation concerning a Verizon iPhone. I know Verizon is interested in bringing the iPhone to their network but any Verizon iPhone will be a 5x version that takes advantage of LTE one would think given Apple's release pattern.

If they break that release pattern in September as rumor has it then is that not another indication they are more than slightly concerned about Android and Google's increasing market share?
post #27 of 39
I hadn't heard September! I had heard June 22. If they are looking to September, it's tough to say what that means, but I think it's a bit early to have the hardware firmed up.
post #28 of 39
June is the release date for the iPhone 4x with GSM radio. If the rumors are true about a manufacturer producing a CDMA radio iPhone then the time frame has been put at September for a production line to have units ready to test on Verizon and release.

However that still doesn't answer about the supposed extension AT&T got on their exclusivity from summer until the end of the year.

If that is true I'd wager that a CDMA iPhone will be available for Verizon to put through it's paces late September for a January 2011 release.

Verizon takes their sweet time making sure that devices work on the network.

Whoops. Production of CDMA units begins in September which could leave time for a January release I guess. I thought the speculation was production had begun and they would drop in September. That's where my confusion about exclusivity was arising.
post #29 of 39
Sorry, you had me confused, but I'm right there with you now. Although, I'm surprised that they can create the phone prior to the end of exclusivity, but obviously there are people with a whole lot more knowledge than me on that front.
post #30 of 39
Thread Starter 
Well, my wife is looking at a new phone...maybe I can convince her to wait until June to get the new version from AT&T. My contract with AT&T is up at the start of 2011, so maybe Verizon will have their iPhone by then. If not, I guess I'll go Droid, or stick with AT&T and get an iPhone with them.
post #31 of 39
Surely both of you can wait the extra month or two it'll take for both the iPhone and the Droid to see product refreshes.
post #32 of 39
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Yeah, that's what I'm definitely doing. I got burned grabbing a first gen phone (the LG Incite), so I'll definitely be waiting. My wife has dropped her current phone, which is already like 5 years old, so many times that some buttons don't work anymore. I told her we'd get her a new one when I get a new job, and I start my new job in May. So I suggested we do it for Mother's Day, but if the new iPhone will be out in June, maybe she can wait.
post #33 of 39
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post #34 of 39
I think it's more pertinent to point out that the Incredible is the Nexus One, but better.
post #35 of 39

That article is bullshit.

Especially this:

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“It’s really a flop for Google,” said Gillis, who advises investors to hold Google shares and doesn’t own any. “They paid a price to roll out their own branded phone -- it’s a price of trust and relationship with some of the other players in the space.”
I, too, wondered all along WTF Google was doing with this phone. I already had thoughts it was just a bar to be raised and a beacon for manufacturers to look towards for guidance on how to build the best hardware they could. HTC did just that. The Wired article cemented my thoughts.

Google isn't interested in moving Nexus', they are interested in innovating hardware to fully exploit their software. The Incredible has done just that I believe; taken 2.1 to its limits and beyond with Sense.

If the rumors of the Nexus Two being built by Motorola are true then it should sport Froyo and be a phone that far outclasses the Incredible and the iPhone 4x. Then manufacturers can see what is possible and strive toward the newly raised bar.

Odd strategy but the Wired article makes it make a whole bunch of sense.

Realistically there is an entire year before the iPhone makes its way to Big Red. Android will exponentially have captured market share and minds in that time frame.

Verizon customers have been waiting on three things, iPhone, Nexus or Incredible. One is dropping Thursday and speculation is that HTC didn't envision demand to be what it has been on pre-order and stores may not have stock available. With Google pimping the Incredible(as LD says, a better phone) that demand will only increase.
post #36 of 39
Thread Starter 
Wife's phone finally went kaput, so we went and got her an iPhone yesterday. She's still adapting to all the stuff it can do.

And...it looks like I can go ahead and update as well, so I'm waiting for the new iPhone to come out in June (most likely) before I pick one up. Can't have my wife owning a phone more technologically advanced than my own.
post #37 of 39
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I already had thoughts it was just a bar to be raised and a beacon for manufacturers to look towards for guidance on how to build the best hardware they could.
If I were a handset manufacturer, I'd be avoiding Google like the plague for exactly this reason. Google, by prioritizing market penetration above all else, is dragging their handset alliance down the path towards commoditization with their hands off approach, and only HP seems to get any of this. The platform is already fragmented, what with handset manufacturers developing their own proprietary UIs, and releasing new phones with seemingly random versions of Android.

You couple that with a marketplace where free software is the de facto standard and you end up creating an environment that's completely undesirable for developers.

If Google really wants to be a beacon for other manufacturers, it has to kick their asses, not mess around with fourth-rate wireless networks.
post #38 of 39
Thread Starter 
I read an article last night that said, due to the government's possibly going after Apple, the contract details of their deal with AT&T have come to light. In it, there is a mention that the deal with AT&T is for 5 years, starting back in 2007. So don't look for your Verizon iPhone until 2012.
post #39 of 39
Some have already speculated that they've since renegotiated, so their original deal may be moot.
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