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post #1001 of 1422
12/29/10 at 1:09am
Meanwhile, there's this:

I can feel their hate
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post #1002 of 1422
12/29/10 at 1:57am
Awesome. Both the news and the Christmas Card.


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Originally Posted by The Two Gregs View Post
BRUMM-brumbrumbrumbrummmmmm!
At least let him release it before you start up your backlashmobiles eh?
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post #1003 of 1422
12/29/10 at 2:59am
I'm still not quite sure how he's going to pull this one off in terms of genuine criticism of the film. He's already covered a lot of what's wrong with the last film by tearing apart the first two. That's what I'm most interested in. I'll still be enjoying the the Plinkett/Nadine stuff and the hardcore nitpickery of the plot holes... but...
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post #1004 of 1422
12/29/10 at 3:06am
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Originally Posted by Nardo View Post
At least let him release it before you start up your backlashmobiles eh?
Sorry, I didn't realize that expressing doubts was verboten. I'll just stick to furiously masturbating at the very prospect.
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post #1005 of 1422
12/29/10 at 3:06am
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
I'm still not quite sure how he's going to pull this one off in terms of genuine criticism of the film. He's already covered a lot of what's wrong with the last film by tearing apart the first two. That's what I'm most interested in. I'll still be enjoying the the Plinkett/Nadine stuff and the hardcore nitpickery of the plot holes... but...
Quiet, you're upsetting Nardo.
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post #1006 of 1422
12/29/10 at 3:09am
Into 2nd gear already, huh?
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post #1007 of 1422
12/29/10 at 3:33am
There are a lot of problems in SITH that Plinkett didn't hit in the other Prequel reviews, so I'm looking forward to it. But frankly, right now, I'd love to see him derez TRON LEGACY. Plenty of failed story mechanics and faulty characterizations for him to chew on.
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post #1008 of 1422
12/29/10 at 3:46am
Oh, that would be glorious.
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post #1009 of 1422
12/29/10 at 4:27am
It's so awkward trying to explain to people why I'm so excited for this.

"I'm so pumped. It's a 70 minute review of Revenge of the Sith, told by a serial killer who tortures women"

I try to just avoid the topic altogether
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post #1010 of 1422
12/29/10 at 2:08pm
On the one hand, I feel like Sith is the prequel that needs the Plinkett treatment the most, since it tends to get default "best of the three" status just for being the one where stuff happens. But that stuff is just as botched in execution as the filler from before, the action is worse and less coherent than ever, and the focus seems to be more on setting up the next generation sequel than paying off the story threads of the previous two entries, making for a lackluster climax. A couple of gorgeous shots and Williams' herculean efforts aren't enough to salvage the whole thing.


On the other hand, so much of what makes Sith extra maddening is its resolute refusal to learn from the other prequels' mistakes, which have already been exhaustively detailed. The review, like the film, may suffer from coming third despite being the only one that really should have been made.

Should be funny, at least.
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post #1011 of 1422
12/29/10 at 3:45pm
so when is this thing avaialble?
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post #1012 of 1422
12/29/10 at 3:49pm
What's wrong with you people? Stop bumping this thread. You're ruining Christmas more than that lazy bastard Plinkett.
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post #1013 of 1422
12/29/10 at 7:29pm
Hey, Plinkett is not lazy, he's just got a lot to juggle. Like the skulls of his victims.
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post #1014 of 1422
12/29/10 at 11:00pm
Thread Starter 
How Meta is it that Plinkett now has his own rabid base of Fanboys?

Cantwaitcantwaitcantqait
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post #1015 of 1422
12/29/10 at 11:12pm
Stop bumping!!
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post #1016 of 1422
12/29/10 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
How Meta is it that Plinkett now has his own rabid base of Fanboys?

Cantwaitcantwaitcantqait
Though I think he's great, my feeling is that Star Wars fanboys are more pleased to have found a new way to beat a dead horse than anything else, even the ones who claim to be above it all. You know it's true. It's the obsessive idea that they are somehow taking something back from Lucas that is largely driving this.
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post #1017 of 1422
12/30/10 at 3:43am
On a somewhat-arguably- related note, I just watched Robot Chicken SW 3 and it was by far the best of the 3. Great work by Seth Green and co.
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post #1018 of 1422
12/30/10 at 4:00am
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny View Post
Though I think he's great, my feeling is that Star Wars fanboys are more pleased to have found a new way to beat a dead horse than anything else, even the ones who claim to be above it all. You know it's true. It's the obsessive idea that they are somehow taking something back from Lucas that is largely driving this.
Shit like that is why I hate fandom. Spot-on observation, Jacknife.
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post #1019 of 1422
12/30/10 at 4:04am
Yes, sadly, I think JacknifeJohnny is probably right. I would like to think that Plinkett's popularity has more to do with his comic chops and his spot-on story analysis skills, but I can't make myself believe that. Disenfranchised Star Wars fanboys have simply found themselves a mouthpiece.
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post #1020 of 1422
12/30/10 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
I would like to think that Plinkett's popularity has more to do with his comic chops and his spot-on story analysis skills, but I can't make myself believe that.
That's pretty much why I like him. Hell, I think his review of Avatar is the best thing he's done, simply because he says what I thought of it in a much more eloquent way.
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post #1021 of 1422
12/30/10 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by wydren View Post
Hell, I think his review of Avatar is the best thing he's done, simply because he says what I thought of it in a much more eloquent way.
Ironically that's the first review where you heard people saying, "I don't know..." Even though it was dead on.
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post #1022 of 1422
12/30/10 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by Anderson View Post
Shit like that is why I hate fandom. Spot-on observation, Jacknife.
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Yes, sadly, I think JacknifeJohnny is probably right. I would like to think that Plinkett's popularity has more to do with his comic chops and his spot-on story analysis skills, but I can't make myself believe that. Disenfranchised Star Wars fanboys have simply found themselves a mouthpiece.
So neither of you watched the others, or if so, did you enjoy them?

edited to add: Sorry, I watch them because Plinkett's good at the deconstruction, but yeah, you're probably right. I think I'm so far removed from the "fanboy" BS that I find the videos entertaining, and that's the end of it for me.
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post #1023 of 1422
12/30/10 at 6:14pm
I have watched most of his stuff. I think his assault on Star Trek: Nemesis is my favorite of the non Star Wars stuff. But I think it would be impossible to deny that the prequel reviews are what put him on the map, and I think it's right to be suspicious of the reasons for that. He probably could have done the job half as well and gotten the same response.
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post #1024 of 1422
12/30/10 at 7:00pm
I found his Star Trek reviews far more enjoyable on the whole. Not being punishingly overlong is part of it. But other than that, even though they made valid points they seemed to have more of a sense of humour about themselves, about how silly it is to pick these dumbass movies apart with that kind of painstaking obsessiveness.

But now it's Star Wars, and Star Wars fans have absolutely no sense of humour about themselves and suddenly the undertone is that this is serious fucking business, goddamnit. Sure, they may try to make you laugh through the tears, but the fanboys demand cathartic resolution for all those long hard years of psychological torment inflicted on them by their surrogate father George Lucas, and maybe now with six hours of youtube videos at last their troubled souls can be brought to rest.
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post #1025 of 1422
12/30/10 at 10:26pm
Yes, I'd say Paul's nailed it - it's become all about some achieving some cathartic resolution yet as things have gone on, it appears to be suspiciously akin to constantly picking the scabs in a glorified circlejerk-come-group-therapy session. Don't get me wrong, Plinkett himself does an excellent job of it in the main but personally, I just don't see the point of wasting so much time on such rubbish. Most sane people can just accept they were terrible films and move on without the need for spending another six hours of their lives having each and every flaw and failing spelt out to them in tiresome detail.

In fact, the whole thing leaves me feeling that ultimately, Star Wars fans got the films they deserved. Well, alright. Almost deserved, even I'm not that mean.
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post #1026 of 1422
12/30/10 at 10:46pm
Oh god 'picking at scabs' is the perfect analogy. The prequels (and special editions etc) are a scab geeks have been picking at for a decade. Even after it's grown into this gross filthy wound they still keep picking at it and bringing it out to remind everyone how gross it is, all the while screaming at Lucas "just look at what you did!".
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post #1027 of 1422
12/31/10 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
Oh god 'picking at scabs' is the perfect analogy. The prequels (and special editions etc) are a scab geeks have been picking at for a decade. Even after it's grown into this gross filthy wound they still keep picking at it and bringing it out to remind everyone how gross it is, all the while screaming at Lucas "just look at what you did!".
Those are strong words, but they say more about you than anyone else.

For myself, I think Mr. Plinkett is brilliant; it's always fun to have a bad movie taken apart by someone who can quantify exactly why it was so bad.

The prequels just happen to be a set of bad movies that virtually all of us have seen, and are closely connected with probably the most universal cultural touchstone of the last half century.

Of course it's entertaining to a lot of us; you needn't suppose we should visit a shrink.
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post #1028 of 1422
12/31/10 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by A. Lively View Post

For myself, I think Mr. Plinkett is brilliant; it's always fun to have a bad movie taken apart by someone who can quantify exactly why it was so bad.

The prequels just happen to be a set of bad movies that virtually all of us have seen, and are closely connected with probably the most universal cultural touchstone of the last half century.
Dingdingding. Are the prequels the worst special-effects blockbusters to grace the big screen in the last 20 years? No. But they are the most instantly recognizable to the largest cross section of audiences. Just looking at the MB numbers, it's the simplest way to get people talking about the structural minutia of genre flicks, which is the kind of thing that gives me a raging nerdboner.

Whether the prequels were a symptom or catalyst or cause, we're living in an age of lazy, pandering, progressively less satisfying genre sequels/prequels/remakes/re-imaginings. Anything that gets people thinking critically about how the source material is way less important than the presentation is fine in my book. And clearly, an exhaustive analysis of Attack Of The Clones does that more effectively than a similar take-down of Star Trek: Nemesis.

Also, the reviews are the best example I can think of to show how completely comedy is defined by editing. Okay, yeah, there's Annie Hall, but you get the point.
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post #1029 of 1422
12/31/10 at 5:09am
Originally, I laughed when stelios and Freeman whined for you guys to stop bumping the thread. But now that it's Friday...

STOP BUMPING TILL WE HAVE THE VIDEO, MY GAHD!!!! heheheh
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post #1030 of 1422
12/31/10 at 9:34am
It's up.
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post #1031 of 1422
12/31/10 at 9:36am
You see the running time on this fucker?! I'll watch it but holy fuck is that self-indulgent.
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post #1032 of 1422
12/31/10 at 9:48am
At least Plinkett is releasing it on New Year's Eve, when he knows nerds have no plans for the night.
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post #1033 of 1422
12/31/10 at 9:50am
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
You see the running time on this fucker?! I'll watch it but holy fuck is that self-indulgent.
Ironic considering the first statement in review is how everyone felt obliged to sit through Revenge of the Sith.
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post #1034 of 1422
12/31/10 at 10:05am
So far, so good, and the Kevin Smith swipe made me laugh.
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post #1035 of 1422
12/31/10 at 10:20am
Young Han is killing me.

EDIT: Raping the Falcon made me cough up my drink.
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post #1036 of 1422
12/31/10 at 10:26am
"Right there. I've done it."
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post #1037 of 1422
12/31/10 at 10:28am
"Admiral Bonetopick."
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post #1038 of 1422
12/31/10 at 10:38am
OhmyGod. That's a lot longer than I thought it was going to be.

I'm tempted to wait until someone confirms it's worth my time before clicking start.
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post #1039 of 1422
12/31/10 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post
OhmyGod. That's a lot longer than I thought it was going to be.
"That's what SHEEEEEEE saaaaaid! (giggle giggle)"
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post #1040 of 1422
12/31/10 at 10:47am
"I like to fuck my Cat."

Holy Shit!
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post #1041 of 1422
12/31/10 at 10:54am
I've only watched the first part so far but I think it's better than the AOTC one. Besides the jokes, he's already made a few very interesting points.
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post #1042 of 1422
12/31/10 at 11:02am
"George Lucas didn't ruin my childhood, polio did"
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post #1043 of 1422
12/31/10 at 11:07am
"The Kodak Printer Challenge!"
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post #1044 of 1422
12/31/10 at 11:09am
A war run by disorganized hippies. Heheh
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post #1045 of 1422
12/31/10 at 11:19am
A lot of his questions in that first part are answered in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars series, but that bit about Coruscant not feeling the effects of the war is right on, and his suggestions are so ridiculously simple ideas that Lucas would and should've been able to pull off, especially being a visual storyteller.
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post #1046 of 1422
12/31/10 at 11:32am
His Palpatine voice is so good.

Sith vs Kane! YES! Fair? NO!
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post #1047 of 1422
12/31/10 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
A war run by disorganized hippies. Heheh
So far, the clear leader for best line in this thing so far.
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post #1048 of 1422
12/31/10 at 11:51am
I'm kinda marveling at the split-screen comparisons of Lucas' staid execution of the prequel films' many dialog scenes. They're literally done in only a handful of ways. We kinda always knew this, but it's eye-opening to actually see them play out side-by-side.

EDIT: This is exactly the kind of stuff I love about Plinkett's reviews. Basically debunking one of the rare aspects of the sequels that people have praised: Lucas' visual storytelling. In terms of cinematic language, it's just not there.

The visual theme of the prequels. Sitting on couches... as Lucas directs from a chair.
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post #1049 of 1422
12/31/10 at 12:02pm
Holy crow, the montage of dropped lightsabers! For me, the third video is where the gold is.
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post #1050 of 1422
12/31/10 at 12:05pm
Yeah, the third part is really bringing the thunder. "You fucked that room up, Charlie!"
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