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post #1 of 18
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Okay, here's a topic I bore my friends and family to death with periodically (except for those friends who, like me, are horror nerds), and it has to do particularly with the recent spate of lycanthropy films, so here goes.

It seems to me that every classic mythological monster has one thing, one aspect of its nature or character, wherein the "horror" resides. For vampires, it's the seductive, intelligent, Mephistopholean evil--Dracula is an incarnate devil, and he's more powerful than you, and he's going to drink your blood and enslave you. That's scary. Zombies--walking corpses. Scary. Psycho killers--they're out there hunting you, not reasonable, not normal, not stoppable. Scary.

So what is it that makes the werewolf scary? In my opinion, most modern ww flicks miss the fear point entirely. That is, a lot of the more recent flicks (American Werewolf in Paris, Wolf Lake, etc.) seem to think that the werewolf is scary because he's a big monster in the dark waitng to rip you to pieces. AWIP tried to make the werewolves like big hairy vampires--evil, seductive, wanting to be like gods, totally digging their power. But that's not the fear of the werewolf, and in my opinion is one of the big reasons such films are seldom scary.

In the classic werewolf flicks, the hero isn't the person being chased by the werewolf. The hero IS the werewolf. What makes it scary is not the werewolf hunting you, but the idea that you could BE the werewolf. He's a tragic figure, he knows he's going to kill, he doesn't want to but can't stop it, no one will believe him. There's the freudian id/superego struggle there, and the id wins. The only way out is death, and before you die you'll likely kill a lot of people that you love.

Scary.

The Wolf Man had that in spades. Chaney was born for that--such a big, brawny guy, with the sad eyes and the barely-contained violent streak, just perfect. And John Landis "got it" too, which is why American Werewolf in London is a modern classic. In my opinion, anyway.

So here's hoping that the new werewolf movie makers get it and try to play off the werewolf's unique horror, rather than trying to make him a furry Jason or a dog-like Dracula. There's a rich history there, and in modern flicks it's largely untapped.

What do you guys think?
post #2 of 18
I think the metaphor is big enough for lots of possibilities, but the only well-executed concepts are the ones that involve the protagonist being the werewolf...dante played with werewolfism as a front for our fears of being part of a more sexually and violently permissive culkture and it worked pretty well. The fear wasn't that the her was awerewolf, but that everyone around was "giving in" and becoming werewolves...

but I'll still take THE WOLF MAN any day. I would argue that it has the weakest lead performance and story of the universal classics, but damn it, i watch this one more than any of the others.
post #3 of 18
Werewolves have always been my favourite monsters, probably because they work both ways. They have that whole tragic, cursed angle which can be used to devastating emotional effect - but they're also just kick-ass predators, fast and lethal and cool as hell. I think American Werewolf in London is the only film to truly realise both angles at the same time.

But yes, werewolves need more love. I have a screenplay in mind which would use werewolves but I think it'll be in a more "look at 'em go!" vein than anything else.
post #4 of 18
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Sorry walter, but I'll have to disagree with you dissin' my boy Lon. I thought he was great as Talbot, although he had few good performances after that. The more I watch the flick ( and I too watch it more than any of the others ), the more things I like about his performance. There are scenes where he's human and he plays up the barely-supressed violent streak which I think is just great. Of course that's probably the director and not him, but still, I thought it worked.

And what can you say about Claude Rains? Just awesome. And Evelyn Ankers...rowr.

BTW, the commentary on the wolf man DVD is the best I've run into in that series. Very entertaining.
post #5 of 18
well, being the weakest among Lugosi, and Karloff isn't bad...but its Raines' presence in teh early scenes that makes Chaney Jr. seem a but stiff, although his body language is dead-on. I always had trouble seeing him as the young son of a british noble..

I love the film dearly, though.
post #6 of 18
I'm writing a novel in which the vampires and werewolves of the world are constantly at war. Werewolves serve as man's protectors (being descended from early versions of "man's best friend) and the vampires want to conquer humanity. It's Interview with the Vampire meets Braveheart.
post #7 of 18
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I'm writing a novel in which the vampires and werewolves of the world are constantly at war. Werewolves serve as man's protectors (being descended from early versions of "man's best friend) and the vampires want to conquer humanity. It's Interview with the Vampire meets Braveheart.
I dont want this to sound like im pissing on your bonfire here but isnt there a new movie coming out that has the same premise of your novel?. Its called 'Underworld' and has Kate Bekinsale as a female vampire called 'Selene' and Bill Nighty as a Werewolf called 'Viktor' its about the constant battle between the two sides and how a vampire falls for a werewolf, all very romeo and juliet undertones.

Just thought id let you know. As i know how hard it is to get something published.
post #8 of 18
I live way up north and have seen a timber wolf. They are huge, very beautiful creatures and are the ultimate killing machine. I have thought to myself that if one of them took it into their heads to chase a man in the woods, there would be no chance of escaping. Those are the scenes that I love in werewolf movies like An American Werewolf in London and Ginger Snaps(my new favorite). When the wolf is howling and the soon to be victims don't know where it is. I have noticed that there really have not been that many werewolf movies in recent years.
post #9 of 18
Why am I so resistant to seeing 'Ginger Snaps'? I love horror and werewolves are my favorite of the movie monsters. Everytime I start to rent it, I end up turning away. Maybe it's the cover art, or the fact that it's from Canada, or maybe it's been built up too much...

Either way, could someone push my temptation to see it into overdrive?
post #10 of 18
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littleotik--again, in my opinion, the " fearsome beast " thing is not the reason werewolves are scary--it's the BECOMING a werewolf and knowing you're going to murder everyone you love and there's nothing you can do to stop it--that's what's scary to me. The loss of control, the becoming a monster yourself, rather than just having a monster chasing you.

Incidentally, another facet of the legend that was in the early movies, particularly the Wolf Man, and which is not exploited much anymore, is the idea that the werewolf can see the mark on his next victim, and the idea I keep coming back to that these victims are often family and friends. That's a powerful dramatic situation that could be utilized more cinematically.
post #11 of 18
Yes. We are very scary.

Seriously, Dan knocked on the head what John Landis nailed in 1981. The two sides to being a lycanthrope.

Side 1: "Coooooooool, I'm a werewolf. Nice claws!"

Side 2: "I'm a fucking werewolf!! Somebody help me!"

The balance between horror and tragedy, two things I tried to infuse into my story. Yes, the werewolf is a fucked-up freak of nature, who on its own is a scary proposition. But deeper inside is the struggle between man and beast and the realization someone can (hypothetically) have, either in real, or psychologically (see Lycanthropia). Both are horrifying, and blended well (as in AWIL) make for a powerful story.
post #12 of 18
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littleotik--again, in my opinion, the " fearsome beast " thing is not the reason werewolves are scary--it's the BECOMING a werewolf and knowing you're going to murder everyone you love and there's nothing you can do to stop it--that's what's scary to me. The loss of control, the becoming a monster yourself, rather than just having a monster chasing you.

Incidentally, another facet of the legend that was in the early movies, particularly the Wolf Man, and which is not exploited much anymore, is the idea that the werewolf can see the mark on his next victim, and the idea I keep coming back to that these victims are often family and friends. That's a powerful dramatic situation that could be utilized more cinematically.
of course almost all of the "legendary" stuff in The Wolf Man was fabricated by siodmak, the silver bullets, the full moon, etc. was all a hollywood invention, and, unlike dracula, not derived form the existing folklore of lycanthropy...
post #13 of 18
What makes a werewolf scary?

Hummmm?

It might be the terrifying hunger for blood the beast possesses.

It might be the insatiable desire to hunt, the reflexes to corner it's prey and the strength it possess to kill it.

It might be the terrible curse of inevitably of changing into a murderous beast and killing those you love.

It might be the sweet irony of being mockery of a beautiful creature of nature who's sole purpose is now to cause pain and suffering.

Then again it might be those razor sharp claws and gaping needle tooth mouth...
post #14 of 18
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Of course Siodmak made it up. He also made up the "Even a man who is pure at heart..." mantra. That doesn't keep it from being a kickass cinematic idea, and, I would argue, part of the (cinematic) werewolf lore.
post #15 of 18
I think some of it has to do with the whole "The Beast Must Die" thing where ANYBODY can be a werewolf and it's just a matter of figuring out who it is.

Also, the cycle of the werewolf plays into it. The cycle of the moon coming around and living in dread of when the moon becomes full is like a ticking timebomb.

Unlike vampirism, which is tres sexy, werewolves represent a very male, very aggressive, Incredible Hulk-type of thing where the inner alpha-male gets to go out and feed every so often - and shed the trappings of society, replacing them with pure bloodlust. A werewolf is totally a hunter and by making it a rather invulnerable hunter, it feeds into the ego.

This is totally rambling, but I have theories on why people dig on certain horror elements that I could rant about all day.
post #16 of 18
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Scott Standridge:
Of course Siodmak made it up. He also made up the "Even a man who is pure at heart..." mantra. That doesn't keep it from being a kickass cinematic idea, and, I would argue, part of the (cinematic) werewolf lore.
true...true, just came to mind when the word "legend" popped up in that earlier post...the whole pentagram on the hand deal is a cool cinematic idea,
post #17 of 18
Re the appeal of the werewolf... I agree with a lot of what's been said already, but at the end of the day I just think that the werewolf is a very cool aesthetic to use in a horror picture. The tragic aspects and the mythology and the atmospheric little touches like howling in the woods etc are nice, but they're just icing on the cake. The main reasons I like werewolf flicks are that they have decent transformations, that the attacks are vicious with plenty of realistic gore thrown about as they're making the kill, and most importantly that the creatures look SCARY. With a good special FX team working their magic, werewolves have the ability to be the most formidable and downright frightening beasts ever captured on film. Some of my faves are ones which really focus on that fear aspect: the London Underground bit in AWIL (an especially effective sequence if you've ever been at a deserted tube station late at night), the Howling's Eddie picking the bullet from his brain and then changing right there in front of our eyes, Gary Busey and the kids nervously waiting for the creature to make its entrance at the climax of Silver Bullet, that cool forest/hut segment in Waxwork, the many nightmarish sequences in Company of Wolves (due out in October on widescreen anamorphic DVD at last ). Plus one of the many reasons I loved Dog Soldiers, was that they went with those big evil looking fuckers.
post #18 of 18
Well after reading this board yesterday i dug out my copy of Wolfman and had another look and well although its not exactly 'crap-your-pants' scarey it was certainly far scarier than most of the modern werewolf flicks.
It was also a very good character study and you really could feel for the main character which i think most of the modern flicks lack.
And i do like the idea of only the werewolf seeing the mark of his next victim.
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