New Israeli awesomeness...

boo hoo the holocaust happened to us so now we will use it as an excuse to do whatever the fuck we want. fail.

It's sadly a matter of time before Tel-Aviv is nuked, be it by a rogue terrorist nuke or an angry neighbor.

And with each passing stupid decision they make, my sympathy for that gov't diminishes daily. too bad about the average individual who may or may not support this

Israel has been Bruce Willis with the sandwich-board sign in Die Hard with a Vengeance for far too long.

Israel is like the friend you have that's loud, annoying, eats all the food out of your fridge without telling you, and cockblocks you on spring break. Nobody else likes him because he can be such a douche, and you really start wondering whether he's such a good guy to go out drinking with. But you still kinda feel bad for the guy 'cos he used to be bullied as a kid.

The most despicable thing Israel has ever done is accusing of anti-semitism anyone who criticize Israel's policies (which are on the same level as Iran, concerning the Palestinians), which they keep doing while committing horrible shit like what's above. And I'm not even starting with those pieces-of-shit settlers that deserves to die horribly.

It doesn't absolve the other Arab countries, like Egypt or Syria, who uses the Palestinian problem as a political ploy while doing nothing to help them beside at best establishing refugee camps where they linger on and on.

At first I thought this thread was dedicated to posting pictures of Israeli women, who, in my opinion, are some of the hottest women around. Oh well -- quel dommage, as our friends in France might say.

This kind of nonsense is hard to defend for sure. Yeah, Israel is a small country in a hostile land, but they are also a regional superpower with nuclear weapons. To continue with Dickson's analogy, yeah, Israel is Bruce Willis with the sign in Die Hard 3...on top of a tank with air support.

I honestly think you'd have people in this country (in the south, mainly, people who think that Israel's existence is a step towards 'Rapture') who would applaud the gassing of the Palestinians. Remember that "Is this critic for real?" thread? That person who wrote that D9 review compares teh Palestinians to bugs that needed to be exterminated


I am all for dropping out support for Israel (after giving them an ultimatum on peace.... why is it that time lines are supposed to be great for showing governments we are serious about goals, but that same logic doesn't apply to Israel? I'm sick of this nonsense from them)

The regulars of these types of threads always cluck their teeth and deny anti-semitism, but the vehemence with which they constantly condemn Israel, usually without ever showing any apparent understanding of or sympathy with that nation's history and struugles, gives one pause, and causes one to wonder more than a lttle bit.

Simply put, that is rediculous and offensive. Good work!

I love how the term "Antisemitism" has been hijacked from all the non-Jew Semitic peoples.

Israel's history and struggles don't give it carte blanche to do whatever the hell it likes without criticism.

Bullshit. That's exactly the type of retarded rethoric that I talked earlier in the thread. And I know Israel's history, but having your attitude and apologizing for shit like that is despicable. You talk about people ignoring Israel's struggles and hsitory, but the same thing seems to apply to you, or you have rose-tinted glasses you live with.

Israelis are in the wrong sometimes, and having the Jews persecuted in WWII and the constant attacks by it's neighbors inm the past doesn't give them absolution to commit crimes like they do now in the name of their state.

I've never been one to ignore and apologize for Palestinian terrorist attacks, but when the Israeli state decide to do dumb shit like that, they deserve to be criticized. We criticize the state, not the religion or the race, a feat you seem happy to ignore.

Go ahead and explain how it's anti-semitic to criticize this, or for another exemple, the settlements in Palestinian territory.

Shut up Dickson, as you seem to hate all the Jews in existence.

No, the accountants are fine.

Teeth clucker!

I'm totally fine with Israel and Jews in general. In fact, I hope that they never stop using the blood of Muslim babies in their delicious matzah balls. Delish, I say!

He's the guy who didn't like The Incredibles by the way, so he's not totally "here".

I actually think you cant ride on the coattails of whatever things happened to your country, if you yourself, and by extension the people around you, never actually suffered them. Nations are not people: If my nation was invaded a century ago, that pertains ... well, absolutely not at all to whatever action I take today.

Unfortunately, with Israel, it really comes down to one problem: Once you stop supporting them, things will go bad. The country itself is very likely to just disappear in a matter of decades with this many enemies. Which would make the western world look like they are the bad guys for abandoning, yet again, the jewish people.

Its a no-win situation really, but I am still annoyed by the fact that so often, the anti-semitism card is played in the face of justified criticism of a government of, basically, war criminals.

If I intended to eradicate the jewish faith and religion, THAT is antisemitism.
If I intend to invade and conquer israel, that doesnt make me an antisemite by necessity, just an asshole with invasion plans.

And the latter one isnt all that uncommon.

It's the selectiveness of it that's maddening. Let's see the US give the Dakotas back to the Sioux and watch these defenders of Israel lose their collective minds.

My earlier statement wasn't meant as a blanket justification of all of Israel's actions. I thought that was understood. It was just a condemnation of the disapportinate amount of moral finger waving that goes on.

I don't think anybody is wearing the white hat, but I don't see threads popping up examining every new move of Iran or Pakistan.

I honestly believe--and you can call me naive--most of the time Israel does whatever it does just to survive. We can't understand all the actions, because we're not walking in those shoes.

(as a citizen of the United States, unless i become a dissident, I'd feel especially hypocrital about calling their government out. After all, we're the "do dirt shit" leader)

Are we sending billions of taxpayer dollars to Iran and Pakistan?

Martin, you always seem out of your element when not talking about some Neil Patrick Harris sitcom. Do you not see the ridiculousness of the above statement? Do you sleep in Pixar pajamas? Damn. Let some shit go.

(I was halfway joking anyway)

To be fair, those countries have never had our back. Israel does. I for one, am comforted by that.

(I know that sounds reactionary, but let's face it, we need them)

If this were backed up by historical precedent, I might agree. But have we ever been in a push-comes-to-shove situation where Israel risked anything that soley served U.S. interests?

Well, of course not. There was always some interest. But that's the case with everybody, isn't it?

Disappointingly proportionate?

I mean, I'm usually not this guy, but try using real words in your arguments.

Hey, I already teased him about teeth clucking. Bandwagon-jumper.

Hey thread! It´s you again. Long time no see!

Seriously though I do think that Israel, or more precisely the middle east does need a full fledged thread rather than singular ones over all to many dangerous incidents and developments. Because discussing isolated incidents more often than not tend to slip into preconcieved arguments about the conflict in general. Since this conflict is in gridlock over more than 6 decades now too much history occured to even attempt to discuss this issue seriously by one example.

The long history of the Jewish people and the shorter history of the state of Israel do make this state a very singular nation among the globe. Being practically under attack since birth and geographically very exposed it is obvious that this state is permanently on the verge to extinction on a theoretical level. But you all know that.
On the other hand we have seen the misery of the Palestinian people for years. Too often by the hand of the Israelis like in Sabra during the Lebanon war. But then again all too often violence is a two way street and given the Palestinian terrorism it leads up to the question of hen and egg ultimately if I may speak in such broad strokes.
I do think that this constant state of war on both sides does find it´s reason for existence in itself. By now the number one economy factor in Israel is in the fields of military security and such. And in a militarian society like Israel this complex is a dangerous beast in itself I´d wager. On the other hand it is Hamas that does draw legitimation from the conflict with Israel that is the cause that does make them a player in the region. Given the tragic inability of the Palestinian people to have had grasped the possibilites of at least implementing the weakest structures of power in the once autonomous regions it is a very sad and frightening scenario. Which by no means is supposed to be anything other than the broadest stroke I had at hand.

On the Issue of this thread I´d argue that this is just another sign of the Israeli government that they are basically scared shitless by Obamas approach to Israel. After announcing new massive settlements the day the two states scheduled talks this is another blatant provocation. I fail to see any practical advantage by this broad measure other than flexing muscles.

It surely is gonna be interesting to see how this climate affects the US-Israel relations in the mid run. And Europe surely won´t be too pleased either.

Oh, and Pakistan does get a shitload of US money to fight the war on terror and all that.

I said that because you have no clue what the hell you're talking about. You're the one endorsing and approving such actions. You still didn't explain anything about your earlier statement. Remember I said ANY critisism on Israel behalf is equlaed to anti-semitism, and you did just that.

Care to explain and endorse the settlements?

EDIT: And the Incredibles thing? We asked you a while ago why you hated it. You never answered. Just like above.

No, it's just that people don't understand the history and struggle of the English language, or else they'd use it properly. They're anti-semantic.

Well, somebody had to fund the Taliban.

I may have to kill you now.

Actually, an Israel that ignores our regional interests in favor of appeasing a small but very vocal minority (the settlers) that stands in direct confrontation to moderate Jews in Israel and around the world, Palestinians and the Arab world at large is exactly what we DON'T NEED.

Zing, I guess?

WAIT!

Tom Hanks = Charlie Wilson.

Tom Hanks had a soccer ball named Wilson in Cast Away.

COINCIDENCE?!?!?!

OMG! Hanks was also a soldier in Saving Private Ryan!

That´s WWII!

And you know what happened there?

Right....

You have a great point about Wilson, certainly, but we can't forget Reagan's constant rhetoric of "freedom fighters" either...

Yeah, but these kind of real feedom fighters where pretty awesome. They had this great game where they raced horses to catch a rabbit and blew up communists really good shit.

It´s true. I´ve seen it on TV the other day.

Thanks for the new sig, m'boy.

Don't encourage him!

And, holy shit, I honestly had no idea how much money we give to Pakistan. I should just shut up now.

So, its all Tom Hank's fault? I'm really confused here.
Shame we dont have the "eugenics and racism aside" guy around anymore...for humor purposes, of course.