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post #1 of 29
4/13/10 at 1:48pm
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Searched and couldn't find anything(although I imagine there has to have been one at some time).

Couple of quick questions since I've recently re-watched the early 90's marvel movies:

What is the deal with the 1994 Fantastic Four movie? I know they filmed it with no intention of it being released, but why? Side note: I remember every once in a while a picture or some information regarding the film would show up in the "Bullpen Bulletins", and my young mind would go crazy at the possibilities. Ahh, youth.

Also, is this the least heroic thing Captain America has ever done?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOLzJpQaCD0
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post #2 of 29
4/13/10 at 7:30pm
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What is the deal with the 1994 Fantastic Four movie? I know they filmed it with no intention of it being released, but why?
As I recall they only did it so the rights wouldn't revert back to Marvel. Kind of similar to how there are rumblings of FF and Daredevil reboots, just to keep the rights basically. I may be wrong though.
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post #3 of 29
4/13/10 at 10:16pm
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As I recall they only did it so the rights wouldn't revert back to Marvel. Kind of similar to how there are rumblings of FF and Daredevil reboots, just to keep the rights basically. I may be wrong though.
No that's about right, the same applied to the Punisher with Punisher: War Zone being fast tracked after Jane left.
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post #4 of 29
4/14/10 at 1:34am
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Yeah, I did a little research after the film and read that the producers never told the cast and crew that it wasn't intended to be released. That is fascinating to me. It really is a wretched movie, and it always makes me chuckle when I see random people on the internet claim that it's a better film than the more recent two.

Also, Captain America is on Hulu for those who dare.
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post #5 of 29
4/14/10 at 1:37am
1994 Fantastic Four is worth it for the POV shot from Alicia Masters' blind POV.

Also, the dude who is playing Doom in that outfit does some hilarious overacting with his hands.

On another note, considering Blade a superhero, it often seems like people really prefer 1 or 2. I'm a 2 guy myself, but what about the rest of you?
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post #6 of 29
4/14/10 at 1:41am
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2 by far. I like one, don't mind Trinity as mush as some do, but as soon as "Name of the game" kicks in I fall in love. Also, Luke Goss is pretty damn great as Nomak and easily the best villain of the three IMO.
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post #7 of 29
4/14/10 at 2:05am
Trinity almost gets a pass from Reynolds ("Cock-juggling thunder cunt!" immediately went into my lexicon), but it really does make Blade a tertiary character.

Another question to add (I'm still curious on the Blade front): What do people think of Daredevil? It's bad, but I find it quite watchable. Maybe it's just Farrell's performance as Bullseye, but I can watch it when the needs be.
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post #8 of 29
4/14/10 at 2:32am
Farrell justifies that movie sitting on my DVD shelf.

Oh, and BLADE 2. Pearlman's great, Nomak is such a good villain they used him again in HELLBOY 2!
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post #9 of 29
4/14/10 at 2:37am
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Farrells fun and I actually enjoy most of the performances in that movie, I just wish what was surrounding them was better. The directors cut is maybe slightly better because it includes more Affleck/Favreau scenes, but it also includes more Coolio. I kind of wanted the movie to turn into a buddy lawyer comedy and forget about the superhero stuff.
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post #10 of 29
4/14/10 at 2:42am
I swear I'm the only person who thinks the DC was worse. That Coolio subplot was awful. On the other hand, it does feature Coolio in a fucking comic book movie.
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post #11 of 29
4/14/10 at 2:46am
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No, it's a completely understandable point of view, I just think it's kind of nice to see a lawyer do some actual lawyering. But it does extend DAREDEVIL to a incredibly unnecessary 138 minutes.
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post #12 of 29
4/14/10 at 2:47am
No, I agree with you. The Coolio subplot was terrible and unnecessary

Daredevil will always stand as my weird mark of shame. I remember fondly after seeing it that I sang its praises. Maybe that's why I still kinda like it. Or maybe it's just cuz I'm a weird Affleck apologist.
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post #13 of 29
5/10/10 at 11:05pm
I've always enjoyed the theatrical of DD as well. I do think the script killed Frank Miller so he could turn over in his grave (and later be resurrected by the Hand), but for some reason it's a movie I just groove on.
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post #14 of 29
5/10/10 at 11:44pm
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What are some good animated Superhero movies? I've seen both of the movies based on BATMAN: TAS, and a couple of others, but how is Green Lantern First Flight? or some of the Marvel efforts?
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post #15 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:22am
The DC of Daredevil fixes a lot of the action scenes, but the whole thing then goes on too long. I suppose it's possible to edit the DC down and make some thing pretty good, but meh. Plus the fight in the church will always have awful CGI.

I love Blade II. I find it endlessly rewatchable. Someone (maybe Del Toro) called it a musical with fights instead of songs. Each fight has a different flavour. The final showdown between Blade and Nomak is the best yet with some great digital augmentation of action. The mandible effects and vampire disintegrations are also awesome. Only a muddled bit of logic in the sewer scene (UV light goes round corners?) and a wasted Donnie Yen are the bad points.

I also like Hellboy films, thought I feel they deviated into their own thing rather than a proper adaptation of the comic.

As for the very best superhero film, I'll still take The Incredibles over Spiderman 2.

Lately, when TDK, Incredible Hulk & Hellboy II all hit in the same year, I really grew sick of the genre.
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post #16 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:40am
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I kind of wanted the movie to turn into a buddy lawyer comedy and forget about the superhero stuff.
This is how I feel about Ghost Rider. I wish it had been just about Nic Cage drinking jellybeans, watching monkeys on the TV, and doing stupid shit on motorcycles to impress people.
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post #17 of 29
5/11/10 at 3:58pm
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This is how I feel about Ghost Rider. I wish it had been just about Nic Cage drinking jellybeans, watching monkeys on the TV, and doing stupid shit on motorcycles to impress people.
But then we wouldn't have been treated to the exhilarating scenes of Ghost Rider standing and pointing at people. It's been said before but the only good parts of the movie belong to Nic Cage, although I do chuckle at some of the stuff with Sam Elliot.

As for Superhero fatigue, I can't really say I've had any, but I'm a sucker and I've come to grips with my weakness for movies like this. But I can see it happening pretty soon with the glut of movies Marvel has planned.
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post #18 of 29
5/11/10 at 4:26pm
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What are some good animated Superhero movies? I've seen both of the movies based on BATMAN: TAS, and a couple of others, but how is Green Lantern First Flight? or some of the Marvel efforts?
Of the ones I've seen, I thought Planet Hulk was pretty much the best (but then, I'm a sucker for that story; favorite Hulk run by far). Dr. Strange was decent but kinda boring, and Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths was a pretty respectable entry into the genre.
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post #19 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:12pm
Batman and Superman: World's Finest

The first half of Superman: Doomsday is quality. Everything after Luthor has a bitchfit over Supes being dead is worthless.
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post #20 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:13pm
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Batman and Superman: World's Finest
I can't possibly agree with this more. The interplay and rivalry between Batman and Superman AND Clark and Bruce is just great, and the team-up of Joker and Luthor actually makes sense. This is probably my favorite screen incarnation of either character.
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post #21 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:33pm
Also, I'm probably gonna get crucified for this, but the Spawn animated series continues to take a beautiful, Angel-Falls-In-Summertime piss on the comic book from a great height.
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post #22 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:35pm
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Also, I'm probably gonna get crucified for this, but the Spawn animated series continues to take a beautiful, Angel-Falls-In-Summertime piss on the comic book from a great height.
I remember it as being much better than the comic book and the abysmal film, so you're not alone.
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post #23 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:43pm
The animated series didn't have this, therefore it is inferior.
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post #24 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:44pm
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No, it's a completely understandable point of view, I just think it's kind of nice to see a lawyer do some actual lawyering. But it does extend DAREDEVIL to a incredibly unnecessary 138 minutes.
I love that when we see Murdock in court, it's a realistically shabby, badly-lit room instead of the palatial, oak-paneled courtrooms usually depicted in films. Same goes for his office, with cardboard boxes of crap everywhere. It properly conveys that he's not in it for the money. Of course, this theme is weakened when we see his super-slick bachelor pad...

I'm really divided on that film. And there's no way to just cut out the stuff I hate, like the superhuman stunts or Affleck's dye job.
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post #25 of 29
5/11/10 at 5:55pm
Can't view video at work, so I'm just going off the comments here. Leguizamo and that badass soundtrack are the only redeeming things in that film.
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post #26 of 29
5/11/10 at 6:18pm
Oh you just wait.
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post #27 of 29
5/11/10 at 9:09pm
For decent animated movies i'd have to say Green Lantern First Flight is really good and very well made. I'll also agree that Planet Hulk was quite good. The two Ultimate Avengers animated they made were pretty decent but nothing mind blowing. I've always been a Marvel fanboy but DC seems to put out the better quality animated movies.
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post #28 of 29
5/11/10 at 11:30pm
The recent Justice League movie where they visit Evil Earth is pretty rocking..James Woods as Owlman!
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post #29 of 29
5/13/10 at 11:17am
Whenever I'm flipping channels and the 1990's Spider-Man animated series is on Toon Disney late at night, I must watch it. Unintentional humor at its finest. Spidey's one-liners are fantastically wretched.
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