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post #51 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post
The problem is not that people are being killed by a firing squad; it's that people are being executed in a civilised society.
See, I think the problem is that people are killing other people in what is defined as a civilized society. As far as I'm concerned, that problem is far worse.

I live in a country where my cousin was murdered by two of his students, a 16-year old and a 17-year old. There's no defending that action.
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post #52 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:06pm
Please cite the studies for me that show execution, including executing youths, is a deterrent. Because I would love to read those.
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post #53 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
There should be no retroactive firing squad murders. A bullet can miss and leave someone injured.
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I wouldn't have a problem with some of the death penalty proponents if it wasn't for that fact that so many of them are anti-abortion. So it's a bad thing to kill a fetus, but it's OK to kill an actual human being.

Life is life, folks.
"I wouldn't have a problem with some of the pro-choice proponents if it wasn't for that fact that so many of them are anti-death penalty. So it's a bad thing to kill a death row inmate, but it's OK to kill an innocent child.

Life is life, folks."

There is a "one of these things is not like the other" dilemma to consider if you introduce things like innocence and accountability into this argument. When an unborn child gets locked up for going on a rape-murder spree (outside the Horror film genre), I'll gladly rethink my position.

EDIT: Yeah, I totally expect to be hated for this opinion.
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post #54 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:09pm
Also, PE, you seem like a smart guy, and I am enjoying this thread and its discussion, but it's hard to talk about this when you keep bringing up your personal connection to the issue. I'm sure there are other reasons why you're pro-death penalty beyond that, and it makes it hard for people to respond to it without coming off like massive dickheads. I mean, I don't always bring up the fact my mother had an abortion when talking about why I'm pro-choice. (Except I just did, but we're not talking about that.)
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post #55 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:09pm
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post #56 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Please cite the studies for me that show execution, including executing youths, is a deterrent. Because I would love to read those.
I could personally care less about deterrence or cost.

Fair enough, Rath.
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post #57 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:14pm
Yeah, I thought you would say something like that, and that's understandable.
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post #58 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:14pm
I hate the "I'm pro-death penalty, we just need to be more accurate about who we convict" argument. It's a pipe dream stance. There is no way human beings can create an accurate enough system where no one is wrongfully executed. So we can sit here and say "well in a perfect world blah blah blah" but it just bullshit.

To deprive citizens of their most natural right, while even having a scintilla of doubt is unconscionable.
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post #59 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:21pm
Also, this article has been cited before in these discussions, but the David Grann/New Yorker essay about Cameron Todd Willingham is a must-read for those interested on this subject, because it illustrates that it's not only DNA evidence that goes wrong, and that there are simply too many factors in a trial to create -- as JCass said -- a system where there are no errors.
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post #60 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by Pompoussory Estoppel View Post
See, I think the problem is that people are killing other people in what is defined as a civilized society. As far as I'm concerned, that problem is far worse.
I know this is very personal for you, but I also know you're smart enough to recognize why this line of reasoning is specious at best.

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I live in a country where my cousin was murdered by two of his students, a 16-year old and a 17-year old. There's no defending that action.
Opposing the execution of a criminal is not in any way defending the underlying crime. Again, you've been to law school, so I'm sure you understand this on some level.

Sorry about your loss. If I thought execution would change anything, I might think differently about it.
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post #61 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Please cite the studies for me that show execution, including executing youths, is a deterrent. Because I would love to read those.
Are there any studies that show life in prison is a deterrent? Probably the same amount as the execution deterrent...zilch.

Life in prison is cake for most serious criminals. I'm a fan of 16-hour workdays, for the state, of back-breaking labor. Do something with their worthless asses.
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post #62 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:47pm
At least you don't run the possiblity of killing an innocent person with life in prison.
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post #63 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
At least you don't run the possiblity of killing an innocent person with life in prison.
Very true. However, there's the possibility of said innocent person getting killed while in prison, or having their whole lives ruined. It definitely sucks for the innocent person no matter what.
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post #64 of 103
4/24/10 at 7:57pm
Or, you know, they could embrace Zen, be exonorated, and go on to live a life of luxury while fighting crime for the LAPD.
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post #65 of 103
4/24/10 at 8:02pm
The sheer number of people on death row who have been exonerated via DNA evidence alone in the last decade clearly calls for an across-the-board United States moratorium on the death penalty, period.

We've been publicly sanctifying the murdering of innocent people for years now, and Christ only knows how many gallons of blood we have on our hands. Almost always based on the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence and the complete unreliability and sensationalism of "eyewitness" accounts. And yes, surprisingly enough, racism and classism invariably plays a role.

I abhor replying in a PK thread, but humanity trumps idiocy.
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post #66 of 103
4/24/10 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Or, you know, they could embrace Zen, be exonorated, and go on to live a life of luxury while fighting crime for the LAPD.
Good luck embracing Zen in Pound-you-in-the-ass Prison.

Put em in a giant hamster wheel to help out with the energy crisis, I say. Looks like some of my old man's (who was a retired corrections officer) opinions rubbed off on me. 3 hots and a cot, indeed.
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post #67 of 103
4/24/10 at 8:18pm
That was "obligatory Life reference number 982," for those of you playing at home.
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post #68 of 103
4/24/10 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
That was "obligatory Life reference number 982," for those of you playing at home.
Yeah, I caught it, Rath.
I favor Nerve Stapling myself...screw those drones.
Jokes aside, the 16 hour labour day poses an intriguing question; if we developed the technology to actually control people's wills/minds, would it be ethical for criminals to conduct their sentences working for the state under its influence?
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post #69 of 103
4/24/10 at 9:08pm
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Someone said on here that 'life is easy in prison for serious criminals'. That is not only false, it's criminally false. Our prisons are cauldrons of hate, sexual violence, and dehumanization. They are breeding grounds for mental illness and essentially teach people that they have no value, setting them up for a continued life of crime. I can't understand people who want our prisons to be modern day dungeons, or think that people are not starved and whipped they have it easy.

The psychological trauma of being walled off from society in a tiny concrete box , barred from normalized social interactions, is so profound as to leave convicts who are released after seeing their time broken people unable to function in a productive way. For those seeking puritanical prisons where punishment is the name of the game and *rehabilitation an afterthought, surely living in prison is punishment enough. I've known people who worked in super max prisons doing outreach, it sounds like the most soul crushing and terrifying experience you can imagine, and that's just what they make the visitors go through.

Unless we are talking about murders, rapists, psycopaths etc, we are talkig about people who will eventually need to be released. Therefore prison for those people needs to be the equivialant of "quiet time" where people are being taken out of society for constructive purposes, to give them a chance to reflect on where they have gone wrong, and to educate them for how they can take a new attitude on life once they get out. Obviously the up by your boot straps thing isn't perfect, and the conditions that lead many people to a life of crime can be difficult to overcome. That's why we need a massive project of mandatory public education for our inmates. Force them to do the learning they didn't do in school, and offer them time served for each level of education reached. Sound expensive? It sure can't be more expensive than just locking people up and throwing away the key... Of course though that's exactly the purpose of the prison industrial complex.. Indefinite lock up, infinite profits. Once we have people leaving prison after serving 10 years for armed robbery but existing the joint with a degree in engineering, we are less likely to get robbed by that guy and more likely to have better competition in the field of engineering*

When it comes to the fact that many of the people we lock up are suffering from undiagnosed mental illnesses, We can't forget psychological counciling, and job training... Or the fact that these hell holes that so many of you seem to have no big issue with also have ensnared millions of non violent drug offenders.*

Anyway yeah, that's my take on prisons

And the death penality? It's not justice IMHO, just the lynch mob in it's Sunday best... And that's in the fantasy world where racism and error don't routinely send the wrong people to death row

Oh yes and as a final PS get rid of all drug prohibitions so we cam get rid of 90% of the violent organized crime in America . This cartel war is superbly retarded, and it's evil to keep destabilizing Mexico just because we want to feel that were "tough on drugs" (all the while buying more drugs than ever before).*

America likes drugs. *Sorry, DARE.*

We'd do well to make an effort, and soon, to adapt to tht reality

pps sending this from my iPod please forgive typos * *
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post #70 of 103
4/24/10 at 9:15pm
Oooh, watch out Kate, cuz Cameron's gonna get you for not being a Don Winslow fan.
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post #71 of 103
4/24/10 at 9:32pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Oooh, watch out Kate, cuz Cameron's gonna get you for not being a Don Winslow fan.
Don more or less agrees with Kate on drugs, but in a more nuanced and less dumb way.
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post #72 of 103
4/24/10 at 9:36pm
Damn, and I was hoping for a Power of the Dog reference, so I could say "I wouldn't know, I haven't read it."

CURSE YOU, HUGHES. FOILED AGAIN.
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post #73 of 103
4/24/10 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Damn, and I was hoping for a Power of the Dog reference, so I could say "I wouldn't know, I haven't read it."

CURSE YOU, HUGHES. FOILED AGAIN.
I knew what you were doing, am sick of it and you know it, and cut you off at the pass.
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post #74 of 103
4/24/10 at 9:44pm
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Cameron, there is no need to insult my intelligence. If my post had an insufficient level of nuance for you, please consider that I am sending these posts from my ipod and cell and that I have nerve damage in my hands that makes typing at length on a tiny device supremely unpleasent. Next time I am on a full sized keyboard I'll take care to expound at length on every last facet of my arguments, lest you again take me for a simpleton.
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post #75 of 103
4/24/10 at 9:47pm
Prison's supposed to be hard. That's why it's a punishment. That's why it's "prison".
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post #76 of 103
4/24/10 at 11:15pm
Tell you what. Here's how you solve the prison situation in America. You build a prison, like a really big one. The supermaxiest of the supermax. Then you get all the worst prisoners on the West Coast, because they've got the most overcrowding. I'm talking about serial rapists, drug dealers, gangbangers who've found Jesus and know that God has their back, black miltants/best selling authors, guys who drove through three states wearing a woman's face as a hat, mass murderers who even killed the dog, and psychopathic geniuses who started three riots and got their law degree. Then you put them all on a plane. See what happens.

If history repeats itself, the situation will resolve itself. You're going to lose some guards and prisoners in the process, but hey, an omlet needs broken eggs.
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post #77 of 103
4/24/10 at 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
Tell you what. Here's how you solve the prison situation in America. You build a prison, like a really big one. The supermaxiest of the supermax. Then you get all the worst prisoners on the West Coast, because they've got the most overcrowding. I'm talking about serial rapists, drug dealers, gangbangers who've found Jesus and know that God has their back, black miltants/best selling authors, guys who drove through three states wearing a woman's face as a hat, mass murderers who even killed the dog, and psychopathic geniuses who started three riots and got their law degree. Then you put them all on a plane. See what happens.

If history repeats itself, the situation will resolve itself. You're going to lose some guards and prisoners in the process, but hey, an omlet needs broken eggs.
A dryly sarcastic serial killer will be loose in a densely populated city at the end though.
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post #78 of 103
4/24/10 at 11:19pm
Yeah, but if he can prove himself worthy by not killing that little girl who teaches him the song, it'll be okay and we can all enjoy the montage.
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post #79 of 103
4/24/10 at 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by RathBandu View Post
If history repeats itself, the situation will resolve itself. You're going to lose some guards and prisoners in the process, but hey, an omlet needs broken eggs.
Think of the vehicular damage though. Is it worth it???
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post #80 of 103
4/24/10 at 11:21pm
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Yeah, but if he can prove himself worthy by not killing that little girl who teaches him the song, it'll be okay and we can all enjoy the montage.
Hooray!
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post #81 of 103
4/24/10 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
Think of the vehicular damage though. Is it worth it???
He's going to be tired of that car anyway. It's worth it.
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post #82 of 103
4/24/10 at 11:28pm
How about we balance the budget at the same time?

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Originally Posted by George Carlin
I'm going to save you a whole lot of money on prisons, but at the same time we are still going to remove from society many of our more annoying citizens. Four groups are going away permanently.

First group: Violent criminals. Here's what you do with these Emmy award winners. You take the entire state of Kansas. You move everybody out. You give them a couple of hundred dollars for their inconvinience, you know. Got to be fair. And then, you move them out, you put a big ten story electric fence around Kansas and Kansas becomes a permanent prison farm for violent criminals. No parole, no police, no supplies, the only thing you give them is lethal weapons and live ammunition, so they can communicate in a meaningful way. Then you put the whole thing on Cable TV. The Violence Network, VNN. And for a corporate sponsor, you get one of those companies that loves to smear it's logo feces all over the landscape. Budweiser will jump at this shit in half a minute.

Alright, next group: sex criminals. Completely incurable, you got to lock them up. You could outlaw religion and in most cities sex crimes would disappear in a couple of generations. But we don't have time for rational solutions! Much easier to fence off another rectangular state. Rectangular states are cheaper to fence, saves the taxpayers money, you know? This time Wyoming. But only for true sex offenders. We're not going to bother consenting adults who liike to dress up in leather boy scout uniforms and smash each other in the head with ballpeen(?) hammers while they take turns blowing their cat. There's certainly nothing wrong with that. It's a victimless hobby. And think of how good the cat must feel! No, we're only going to lock up rapists and molesters. Those hopless romantics. Who're so full of love they can't help getting a little of it on you. Usually on your leg. You take all of these heavy breathing fun seekers, and you stick them in Wyoming. And you let them suck, fuck, and fondle, you let them blow, chew, sniff lick whip gobble and cornhole each other, until their testicles are whistling 'Oh Come All Ye Faithful'! And, and you turn on the cameras and you've got The Sperm Channel! And don't forget our corporate sponsor, we're going to let Budweiser put little logo patches on the rapist's pant right here, 'This Bud's for you'!

Alright, next group: Drug addicts and alcoholics. Not all of them, don't get nervous. Just the ones who are making life difficult for at least one other person. And we're not going to bother first offenders. People deserve a chance to clean up. Everyone will get... twelve chances to clean up. Alright, fifteen! Fifteen! that's fine, and that's it, if you can't make it in fifteen tries, off you go *fwit* to Colorado! Colorado! The perfect- a perfect place for staying loaded. Each week, all of the illegal drugs confiscated in the United States - that the police and D.E.A. don't keep for their own personal use - will be air-dropped into Colorado. And we're going to turn the Coors brewery over to the beer-drinking assholes, and everyone can stay wasted wired stoned bombed hammered smashed and shitfaced round the clock on another new cable channel, Shitface Central 'This is the real Rocky Mountain HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH!!!

Ok I've saved my favorite group for last. The maniacs and crazy people. Yeah. The ones who live out where the buses don't run. And I distinguish between maniacs and crazy people. A maniac will beat nine people to death with a steel dildo. A crazy person will beat nine people to death with a steel dildo, but he'll be wearing a Bugs Bunny suit at the time. So you can't put them all away. You know you got to keep some of them around just for the entertainment. Like a guy who tells you the King of Sweden is using his penis as a radio transmitter to send anti-semitic lesbian meatloaf recipies to Soupy Sales and Marvin Hamlisch. A guy like that you want to give him his own radio show. No, the maniac farm will be reserved strictly for hopeless cases. Like a guy who gets a big tatoo on his chest of Liza Minnelli taking a shit, you know? And he tells you if he wiggles a certain way it looks like she's wiping her ass, you know? A guy like that, you want to get him into custody as quickly as possible. Now, for the maniac farm, I think there's no question we got to go with Utah. Utah. Easy to fence. Easy to fence. Right next to Wyoming and Colorado and Colorado is right next to Kansas, and that means all four groups of our most amusing citizens are now in one place.

Except for the big fences. And I think I have another one of my really good ideas for Cable TV. Gates. Small sliding gates in the fences. Think of what you've got here. Think of what you've got. Predators, degenerates, crackheads and fruitcakes. Nine hundred miles of fence seperating them. Every fifty miles you put a small sliding gate. But, the gates are only ten inches wide and they're only open once a month... for seven seconds. And you know something? Fuck Cable, this shit has got to be on Pay-Per-View. Because, if those gates are only open seven seconds a month, you are going to have some mighty interesting people pushing and shoving to be first in line. Deeply disturbed armed cranky lunatics on drugs. You know the ones. Lot of tatoos... lot of teeth broken off at the gumline... the true face of America. And every time you open the gates, some of the more aggressive ones are going to get through. The creme de la creme. The alphas. They're going to get through, they're going to find each other and they're going to cross-breed. And pretty soon you'll have a melting pot. Child killers corpse fuckers drug zombies and full-blown wack-a-loons. Wandering the landscape in search of truth and fun. Just like now! Everyone will have guns, everyone will have drugs, and no one will be in charge. Just like now!

But at least we'll have a balanced budget.
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post #83 of 103
4/24/10 at 11:28pm
They probably gave the bastard a choice - firing squad or a personal meet and greet with Princess Kate. He chose the firing squad...a smart choice.
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post #84 of 103
4/25/10 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by Jcassady
I hate the "I'm pro-death penalty, we just need to be more accurate about who we convict" argument. It's a pipe dream stance.
It's not a pipe dream to require a higher standard than "beyond a reasonable doubt" when your punishment is irrevocable. We really can be more accurate if we take the majority of cases (ones where conviction is based on circumstantial evidence) off the table.

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To deprive citizens of their most natural right, while even having a scintilla of doubt is unconscionable.
There are likely many people who were imprisoned until the day they died when they were in fact innocent. Does this mean we should not imprison anyone?

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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
The sheer number of people on death row who have been exonerated via DNA evidence alone in the last decade clearly calls for an across-the-board United States moratorium on the death penalty, period.

We've been publicly sanctifying the murdering of innocent people for years now, and Christ only knows how many gallons of blood we have on our hands. Almost always based on the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence and the complete unreliability and sensationalism of "eyewitness" accounts. And yes, surprisingly enough, racism and classism invariably plays a role.
I have far more concern for the millions of non-violent offenders we have incarcerated. The death penalty is the flashy issue, but having the most people per capita in prison of any country (including the worst 3rd-world hellholes) is more troubling to me. Perhaps if we began by abandoning the idea of solving our problems by throwing people into boxes and throwing away the keys, we might find the death penalty a more easily addressed issue.
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post #85 of 103
4/25/10 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post
I have far more concern for the millions of non-violent offenders we have incarcerated.
What, you mean pot smokers shouldn't be incarcerated? What a bleeding-heart wimpy liberal!
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post #86 of 103
4/25/10 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
How about we balance the budget at the same time?
I was just about to post this, thanks Tzu..
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post #87 of 103
4/25/10 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post
It's not a pipe dream to require a higher standard than "beyond a reasonable doubt" when your punishment is irrevocable. We really can be more accurate if we take the majority of cases (ones where conviction is based on circumstantial evidence) off the table.
There have been wrongful convictions with mistaken identifications. It would still lead to wrongful executions.


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There are likely many people who were imprisoned until the day they died when they were in fact innocent. Does this mean we should not imprison anyone?
Of course and those are great injustices as well. However, if someone is still alive, there is the smallest hope that an injustice can be righted. Find out someone was wrongly convicted 20 years later, give him or her a dumptruck of money and hope they can salvage the rest of their lives.

Execute someone and any hope is extinguished. There is no way of righting that wrong.

The philosophy of our criminal justice system is err heavily on the side of caution. In terms of executions, we aren't capable of having an accuracy in convictions where that cautious balance can exist.
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post #88 of 103
4/25/10 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
What, you mean pot smokers shouldn't be incarcerated? What a bleeding-heart wimpy liberal!
"Pot laws have to change in this country and I thought of the perfect solution. Legalize pot but still throw potheads in prison. Everyone wins this way and it'll be fun watching them get arrested. 'I dont understand, officer, pot is legal. Oh pot is legal but being a pothead isnt. It doesn't make any sense, officer'... 'If you weren't a pothead you'd understand. Heres more bad news: an extra 10 years because your a white guy with dreadlocks'. White guys with dreadlocks. Throw those fuckers in prison. Then give them the death penalty. Then throw them back in prison. Then torture them, kill them one more time, and then the icing on the cake, the ultimate punishment for a pothead... a fifty dollar fine."

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post #89 of 103
4/25/10 at 11:54am
Tzu, Carlin is not for you. Never quote him again.
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post #90 of 103
4/25/10 at 12:31pm
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As to the portion of your post I removed, I just now had a thought. If we can release all the non-violent drug offenders I would be all for curbing death penalty use. Until then, the hotel is overbooked and we need some rooms.
Are you for "curbing death" members of our government that covertly kill people overseas?
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post #91 of 103
4/25/10 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I wouldn't have a problem with some of the death penalty proponents if it wasn't for that fact that so many of them are anti-abortion. So it's a bad thing to kill a fetus, but it's OK to kill an actual human being.

Life is life, folks.
I think that the difference may be that in the abortion, you are killing what is essentially an innocent person. Someone that has done no wrong. When killing someone on deathrow, they have done a wrong, maybe a few of them. That is the difference that I recognize anyway. It's not exactly an equal thing to me as regards to your comment that "life is life".

I don't have a problem with a girl getting an abortion. I don't like some of the reasons they use, and I don't like the fact they are trying to make it OK for an underage girl to get one without parents' approval or without even having to let them know.

My reasons may be selfish, as I have daughters, and I lost a baby that was at the first trimester, and that little guy was a fully formed person. If someone wants to get an abortion, that's their business. I just don't always tend to agree with their reasons.
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post #92 of 103
4/25/10 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
What, you mean pot smokers shouldn't be incarcerated? What a bleeding-heart wimpy liberal!
Oh, I'm worse than that! I'd legalize all drugs, gambling and prostitution. Empty the jails, rake in tax money and crush organized crime. Let people do what makes them happy... or destroys them. Protecting people from themselves should not be the role of government.

The US has 5% of the world's population, but 23.4% of the world's prison population. 3.2% of all American adults are in prison (double that number for males, multiply it by 10 for black males). In 1975, 0.6% of US adults were in prison. Violent crimes have not increased at all in that time span. Half of all inmates are nonviolent offenders, 62% are awaiting trials(?!?). Cost: $70billion a year.

The death penalty is a minor issue.
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post #93 of 103
4/25/10 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by Farsight View Post
The death penalty is a minor issue.
No, it's not, cause at least all these people:

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The US has 5% of the world's population, but 23.4% of the world's prison population. 3.2% of all American adults are in prison (double that number for males, multiply it by 10 for black males). In 1975, 0.6% of US adults were in prison. Violent crimes have not increased at all in that time span. Half of all inmates are nonviolent offenders, 62% are awaiting trials(?!?). Cost: $70billion a year.
are still alive. Not saying what you're talking about isn't also a major problem, but how do you downplay people dying? When someone mentioned the most basic right earlier, they were talking about being alive. That's not minor.
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post #94 of 103
4/25/10 at 7:58pm
ALL RESEARCH AND SUCCESSFUL DRUG POLICY SHOWS THAT TREATMENT SHOULD BE INCREASED AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DECREASED WHILE ABOLISHING MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES!

...right?
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post #95 of 103
4/25/10 at 8:56pm
So what do people advocate as appropriate punishment for people sentenced to death? Or is any punishment just too humiliating for the little darlings? It's society's fault they turned out sour?
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post #96 of 103
4/25/10 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
So what do people advocate as appropriate punishment for people sentenced to death?
Bullfighting?

Reading this thread is like debating politics in a coffee shop while a Cat 5 hurricane is throwing bulls and people together in the county next door.
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post #97 of 103
4/26/10 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
So what do people advocate as appropriate punishment for people sentenced to death? Or is any punishment just too humiliating for the little darlings? It's society's fault they turned out sour?
Yeah, again, it's not the little darlings that society turned out sour. It's the innocent darlings society was not able to keep from wrongly accusing.
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post #98 of 103
5/2/10 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Do you mean beforehand? Pretty much everyone does this when they expire. (Fun sidebar: some death row inmates order insanely volatile entrees as their last meal as a final 'fuck you' to the guards overseeing their execution.)
Nope, afterward; as you note this is a side effect of death much of the time, usually from a violent death.
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post #99 of 103
6/18/10 at 1:45am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_...a/10347166.stm

Good riddance.
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post #100 of 103
6/18/10 at 2:27am
Interesting... never knew that.
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Four of their rifles will be loaded with live bullets but a fifth will carry a blank, so that none of the men knows with certainty that he shot a lethal round.
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