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Armed crazy looking white man just "wanted to see the President

post #1 of 124
4/26/10 at 1:16am
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From the AP Wire

ASHEVILLE, N.C. – An armed man spotted at a North Carolina airport parking lot just after Air Force One departed Sunday told an officer he wanted to see the president and had a car equipped with police gear, including a siren and flashing lights, authorities said.

Joseph Sean McVey, 23, of Coshocton, Ohio, is charged with going armed in terror of the public, a misdemeanor, said Asheville Regional Airport Police Capt. Kevan Smith.

Security was heightened at the airport because President Barack Obama was leaving after spending the weekend vacationing in Asheville. He was headed to a memorial service for 29 West Virginia coal miners killed in an explosion.

At about 2 p.m., airport police saw McVey get out of a maroon car with Ohio plates and that he had a sidearm, Smith said. Both airport police and the Secret Service questioned him and he was taken into custody. The suspect was nowhere near the president's plane, which had just departed, and was in a rental car return lot that is open to the public, Smith said.

His car was equipped with clear LED law enforcement-style strobe lights in the front and rear dash, Smith said. The car also had a mounted digital camera in the front window, four large antennas on the trunk lid, and under the steering wheel was a working siren box. Smith said McVey was not in law enforcement.

When McVey got out of the car, he was listening to a handheld scanner and radio that had a remote earpiece, Smith said. Police said he was monitoring local agencies and had formulas for rifle scopes on a note in his cup holder. Police did not immediately elaborate on what the formulas might mean and Smith was not available to comment late Sunday.

McVey gave authorities an Ohio driver's license, but a computer check failed to show the number was valid, police said. His hometown of Coshocton is about halfway between Pittsburgh and Columbus, Ohio.

When Officer Kaleb Rice asked him what he was doing, McVey told him he heard the president was in town and wanted to see him.

Rice removed the firearm and took McVey into custody. He was being held at the Buncombe County jail on $100,000 bond.

The investigation into what McVey was doing with a gun, with formulas for rifle scopes and why his car was equipped with police gear was continuing, Smith said. The Secret Service had no comment on the arrest, deferring to airport police.

A jail officer said it didn't appear McVey had an attorney.

See Terrorist Face at http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_obama_nc_airport_arrest
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post #2 of 124
4/26/10 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Great. Harry Potter is trying to kill the president.
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post #3 of 124
4/26/10 at 1:53am
Okay, it is McVey not McVeigh right?
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post #4 of 124
4/26/10 at 1:53am
First hint that this guy is nutso: his last name -- spelling be damned!

EDIT: Jonathan beat me to it!
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post #5 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:09am
This is the problem with America's fucked-up gun culture. The guy honestly could have been out for a drive and meant no harm. Apparently you can't even go to the bathroom in America without five handguns.
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post #6 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:54am
He looks like a 15 year-old chess champion. Bad PR, Tea Partiers!
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post #7 of 124
4/26/10 at 3:24am
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
The guy honestly could have been out for a drive and meant no harm.
In his car with fake police flashers, siren, radio scanners and rifle formulae. Right.
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post #8 of 124
4/26/10 at 3:59am
I'd really love to see what the Republicans' reaction to black or middle eastern armed men keep showing up where W was. Just because they wanted to see him.
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post #9 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
In his car with fake police flashers, siren, radio scanners and rifle formulae. Right.
I was joking, but my point is how many people seem to think they're justified toting around heavy artillery all the time for no particular reason.
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post #10 of 124
4/26/10 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by Dranbon View Post
First hint that this guy is nutso: his last name -- spelling be damned!

EDIT: Jonathan beat me to it!
Autually it's the use of his middle name that tipped me off.

Gun culture is a strange thing. While I lived in South Carolina it took me awhile to get used too it. I guess it's a matter of pride or feeling like a bad ass. But hell it's their right to carry. Just don't be stupid with it. Case in point, this moron.
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post #11 of 124
4/26/10 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
In his car with fake police flashers, siren, radio scanners and rifle formulae. Right.
I really hope they check his basement, crawlspace, attic, back yard, and nearby woods for artifacts of missing people of either sex. He's got too many of the warning signs.
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post #12 of 124
4/26/10 at 10:09am
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I really hope they check his basement, crawlspace, attic, back yard, and nearby woods for artifacts of missing people of either sex. He's got too many of the warning signs.
And to be caught so young! this guy could have had one hell of a career!
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post #13 of 124
4/26/10 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
In his car with fake police flashers, siren, radio scanners and rifle formulae. Right.
He's just a psychotic version of Elwood Blues is all, no biggie.
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post #14 of 124
4/26/10 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post
Great. Harry Potter is trying to kill the president.
Maybe because Obama is Voldemort in disguise?
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post #15 of 124
4/26/10 at 12:28pm
Hopefully he at least got a productive meeting with the Secret Service

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post #16 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:27pm
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Gun culture is a strange thing. While I lived in South Carolina it took me awhile to get used too it. I guess it's a matter of pride or feeling like a bad ass. But hell it's their right to carry.
Um, yeah, exactly. Why in God's name would you need to cart a gun around in your daily life if you're not a soldier or policeman? What the fuck is wrong with America that that's "normal" in places?
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post #17 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
Um, yeah, exactly. Why in God's name would you need to cart a gun around in your daily life if you're not a soldier or policeman? What the fuck is wrong with America that that's "normal" in places?
Because... other people have guns? It's a real chicken vs. egg conundrum.
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post #18 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
Um, yeah, exactly. Why in God's name would you need to cart a gun around in your daily life if you're not a soldier or policeman? What the fuck is wrong with America that that's "normal" in places?
My wife's' boss carried, but in his defense, his line of work had him in the back woods of South Carolina, so plenty of wild animals that could be dangerous. Snakes and boars for example.

it's when people would carry them into town that freaked me out.

But you do see this more in rural parts of the country.
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post #19 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post
My wife's' boss carried, but in his defense, his line of work had him in the back woods of South Carolina, so plenty of wild animals that could be dangerous. South Carolinians for example.
Got that for ya.
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post #20 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by Dranbon View Post
First hint that this guy is nutso: his last name -- spelling be damned!

EDIT: Jonathan beat me to it!
Yeah, this was the first thing that popped in my mind.

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Because... other people have guns? It's a real chicken vs. egg conundrum.
Yup. Also, some religions/political groups spread such a culture of fear, people feel like they need to "protect" themselves. Yet they are the people we should be protected from.

Remember when the Blues Traveler's guy got pulled over? He had four rifles, nine handguns and a switchblade knife in hidden compartments, as well as a Taser and night vision goggles. Also, his car was equipped with flashing emergency headlights, a siren and a public address system. His excuse: "Popper indicated to troopers that he had installed these items in his vehicle because (in the event of a natural disaster) he didn't want to be left behind".
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post #21 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:48pm
Yeah but at least that guy was in a movie with Elwood Blues.
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post #22 of 124
4/26/10 at 2:55pm
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Yeah but at least that guy was in a movie with Elwood Blues.
That's a hangin' offense in my books.
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post #23 of 124
4/26/10 at 3:14pm
I have a friend who has a conceal/carry permit, and his rationalization is "God forbid I ever need to use it, but God forbid I need it and not have it." But then again, we're talking about one handgun and a non-crazy person.
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post #24 of 124
4/26/10 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
Um, yeah, exactly. Why in God's name would you need to cart a gun around in your daily life if you're not a soldier or policeman? What the fuck is wrong with America that that's "normal" in places?
My little brother is one of these assholes. Tried to join the Army and got cold feet the day the bus came to take him to boot camp, too afraid of his own shadow to leave his house without carrying heat, but he thinks he's going to fight a government that has armored vehicles and bunker busting missiles one day.

I like to call the pussy's bluff. He's been told that the next time that goddamn thing gets unholstered in front of me, he's getting pistol-whipped with it.
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post #25 of 124
4/26/10 at 3:48pm
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I have a friend who has a conceal/carry permit, and his rationalization is "God forbid I ever need to use it, but God forbid I need it and not have it." But then again, we're talking about one handgun and a non-crazy person.
I mean, I can get behind these to a certain degree. If I were forced to live somewhere that was overly crime-prone or dangerous (I'm looking at you, New Orleans), I would strongly consider a conceal/carry permit.
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post #26 of 124
4/26/10 at 3:56pm
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I have a friend who has a conceal/carry permit, and his rationalization is "God forbid I ever need to use it, but God forbid I need it and not have it." But then again, we're talking about one handgun and a non-crazy person.
I take umbrage with that last part. That's not a sane justification for carrying a concealed weapon anymore than it's justification for having the makings of a fertilizer bomb hanging around or having your front lawn booby trapped. I seriously don't understand the climate of fear that some people live in. It astounds me.
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post #27 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:05pm
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I take umbrage with that last part. That's not a sane justification for carrying a concealed weapon anymore than it's justification for having the makings of a fertilizer bomb hanging around or having your front lawn booby trapped. I seriously don't understand the climate of fear that some people live in. It astounds me.
Take umbrage all you want, but it's anything but crazy. Overzealous? Perhaps depending on where you live.

Your country is different from ours. Don't assume that it's a 1:1 comparison when you factor how "crazy" someone is for wanting a handgun on them. It might seem "crazy" for someone to "need" a handgun when walking down your cozy Canadian street. But try living in a less than stellar area of somewhere like New Orleans and see if the idea doesn't become appealing after a while.

The fertilizer bomb analogy is seriously hyperbolic.
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post #28 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:06pm
Yup, and situations escalate a whole lot faster when these 'fraidy cats pull out their guns when calm rationalization is needed.
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post #29 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:07pm
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. I just like to have green grass, alright?
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post #30 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Yup, and situations escalate a whole lot faster when these 'fraidy cats pull out their guns when calm rationalization is needed.
Calm rationalization is theoretically part of the responsibility of being a gun owner.

Again, the "fraidy cats" is easy to lob at someone, but it's a particularly poor insult/analogy.
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post #31 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:09pm
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Yup, and situations escalate a whole lot faster when these 'fraidy cats pull out their guns when calm rationalization is needed.
Eeeexactly. Most of the gun owners I've known weren't exactly people who practiced restraint or seemed to have any sort of self-awareness if they ever had to draw down on someone, they'd just be the type of dolts that would spray and pray. I kinda hate guns, to be honest, even if I know my way around a few of them. They're just shitty, overfetishized things that unfortunately have a niche in society, and that niche happens to generally be positioned near the hands of some pretty unbalanced/dumb people.

And the pigs.
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post #32 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:15pm
Owning guns is like have a martial arts degree. You are taught to use it as a last resort when in reality people often use it as a first. Having lived in NYC for almost two decades where trained police officers tend to shoot first and ask questions later leads me to believe very few citizens should have access to weapons. And my knowledge as a social scientist of the research examining implicit and explicit reactions suggests that people of color bear the brunt of those affected by gun (ab)use. Unless your job or social environment puts you in immediate danger, there is no reason someone should be carrying around weapons. Not one reason.
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post #33 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:23pm
Total model of restraint.
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post #34 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
Um, yeah, exactly. Why in God's name would you need to cart a gun around in your daily life if you're not a soldier or policeman? What the fuck is wrong with America that that's "normal" in places?
Well this dude was part of a volunteer group that helped police officers do traffic control. He probably has a total boner for being a cop, thus all the crap in his car, and the gun.

Actually, it's never "normal" which is why if a cop ever sees you with a gun, they go apeshit on you immediately. They may or may not put your face into the ground before demanding your permit. It all depends on the situation. Even in places like Texas where a shitload of people are part of the NRA, they don't really carry guns around everywhere unless they hunt often or go out in the forest often where they need a gun rack in their truck. My gf's stepbrothers own like 3 guns each, they live out in a somewhat rural part of town, and they never carry them out in public. They shoot them outside all the time though. The whole everyone in town carrying a gun thing is mostly a southern misconception. Mostly.

Anyways, no one's stupid enough to carry a handgun into the airport unless they're this retard.

I have no problems with guns for personal home protection, because if any of those unstable assholes with guns start coming near my house, I'll be ready. However, I don't get mugged enough for me to carry one around like a cell phone. If I did, I might consider it.
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post #35 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:31pm
They're still pretty fucking fun to shoot, though.

EDIT TO CLARIFY: Guns, not cops. It's not fun to shoot cops.
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post #36 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:34pm
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They're just shitty, overfetishized things that unfortunately have a niche in society..."
Like booze and recreational phamaceuticals.


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...and that niche happens to generally be positioned near the hands of some pretty unbalanced/dumb people.
Which is about 98% of humanity. The vast majority of people in this country don't know how to act in any given situation. They've no sense of right or wrong, let alone decorum or sanity. Scary racist/sexist/homophobic meth-headed drunken violent hillbilly asswipes is why it's A-OK to carry a gun in this country as far as I'm concerned. If they have them, you should probably be prepared (especially since the cops show up twenty-five minutes after you call them). When things in our society go from "You scuffed my shoe" to "open fire!" in the span of three seconds...it's probably better to not mix with these animals. I think every woman in America should be given a month long gun safety course and a .22 Long Rifle caliber pistol. Then we could all watch rape stats decline together - and douchebags might think twice about talking to women like they're garbage.

And just so you know - I don't carry. I just totally get why people would. Too many people in this country feel like it's okay to stab you with a meat theremometer when you tell them to be quiet in a place where they should be being quiet. Too many people wanna' try and cave your skull in because you spilled their booze. Too many people are desperate, crazy shitheads who don't know how to act. If the teabagger/flat birthers can have guns, then we should be able to arm ourselves against those fucking lumbering zombies.

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And the pigs.
Jake, you covered them when you mentioned "imbalanced/dumb people".
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post #37 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
Wow, why would someone need to repeatedly take the magazine in and out in a store?
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post #38 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Unless your job or social environment puts you in immediate danger, there is no reason someone should be carrying around weapons. Not one reason.
Which was pretty much the main thing I qualified my statements with, just to be clear.

I should add that I do not own a gun of any kind at the moment, and don't plan to.

Also, I totally agree with Jake and Diva's sentiments for the most part. It's just, given those certain scenarios, I totally understand why people have them.

And the whole "oddballs" having permits thing doesn't bother me as much because, well... there's just so many other assholes that have with sans permits. Six one, half dozen the other.

ETA: Granted, it also doesn't need to become the wild west either, where every asshole straps on their piece and heads out for the day... praying that everyone keeps a cool head.
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post #39 of 124
4/26/10 at 4:56pm
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Wow, why would someone need to repeatedly take the magazine in and out in a store?
To make sure those "gun-hatin' Libs" didn't magically make the bullets disappear. They's got witches, ya know?
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post #40 of 124
4/26/10 at 5:15pm
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Which is about 98% of humanity. The vast majority of people in this country don't know how to act in any given situation. They've no sense of right or wrong, let alone decorum or sanity....
Actually, it's not the vast majority of people. All of that's exaggerated by the news because they have nothing else to talk about. I mean really, you read or see a news report about ONE dude going nuts and shooting everyone, and you'll get 500 comments about the sad state of America when there's people like this roaming the country. Wtf?! It's ONE PERSON! Same thing happens when a school shooting happens. There's all this blame put on videogames and movies. It was ONE guy who didn't even do the deed because of videogames or movies. I know there's always other people we don't read or hear about, but it's still a low number compared to people who DON'T shoot up schools.

That's like someone saying alot of people smoke pot. NO, a lot of people DO NOT, compared to the population. Maybe it seems like it because you're simply around people who smoke pot!

Most people do the right thing. Obviously. Most people use guns responsibly. Most people don't get into fights over spilled beer. It's an exaggeration. There's always that kinda drunk douchebag, but the truth is he wouldn't do shit if he was sober. He'd just make a show. If he tries anything drunk, his friends will probably hold him back and he'll make a big stink about it. Most people avoid fights. Most people smile when you get in their face about shit because it doesn't happen normally and they're not sure if it's serious. Most people are shitty liars when they're being interrogated by a cop. Sure there are unstable assholes out there, but there's like 10 decent sane people around them. So how can "most people" be what you say they are?

It's like the Tea Party movement. It's not a movement, it's a fucking low percentage of people but it's been exaggerated by the news. Ten thousand show up for a rally. Big whoop. Hundreds of thousands of anti-war activists rally up and it's barely on the news. Insanity is more interesting.
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post #41 of 124
4/26/10 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by joeypants View Post
Granted, it also doesn't need to become the wild west either, where every asshole straps on their piece and heads out for the day... praying that everyone keeps a cool head.
Actually I read from a few sources that though many people carried a piece, the actual number of murders were very low. Most towns didn't have many people in them to begin with, but still. I guess you wouldn't be so inclined to shoot someone when they and everyone around them could shoot you dead as well. I guess you also wouldn't want any situation to escalate to that point either.
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post #42 of 124
4/26/10 at 5:24pm
While I can see your point about how factually its not likely that "most people use guns irresponsibly". The sad reality is that if only a few people do act irresponsibly the results are devastating. Smoking pot will likely only affect you and your buddies appetites. But one guy goes on a rampage and many people get injured and/or die. In this case, a few bad apples do, and should, ruin it for everyone. It's imperative to keep guns out of the hands of wackos and if that means we have stricter gun control laws for everyone, I'm all for it.
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post #43 of 124
4/26/10 at 5:25pm
True, but not necessarily for that reason. Still, the shootout at the O.K. Corral was the exception rather than the rule.
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post #44 of 124
4/26/10 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
Wow, why would someone need to repeatedly take the magazine in and out in a store?
That guy was trying to get noticed. I smell cry for help.
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post #45 of 124
4/26/10 at 5:37pm
Also, what's with his Weird Beird? Is he in Limp Bizkit or something...?
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post #46 of 124
4/26/10 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by Scott View Post
They're still pretty fucking fun to shoot, though.

EDIT TO CLARIFY: Guns, not cops. It's not fun to shoot cops.
Pfft. Speak for yourself.
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post #47 of 124
4/26/10 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
While I can see your point about how factually its not likely that "most people use guns irresponsibly". The sad reality is that if only a few people do act irresponsibly the results are devastating. Smoking pot will likely only affect you and your buddies appetites. But one guy goes on a rampage and many people get injured and/or die. In this case, a few bad apples do, and should, ruin it for everyone. It's imperative to keep guns out of the hands of wackos and if that means we have stricter gun control laws for everyone, I'm all for it.
Yeah that's true. Except I don't think a few bad apples should ruin it for everyone. That's like banning all people from driving cars because some people can't drive worth shit and get people killed.

Well, don't they already do background checks for anyone applying for a permit? I'm sure most of the crazies can get past this alright if they have no records.

I doubt they'd require a psych screening beforehand because of the costs though.
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post #48 of 124
4/26/10 at 6:00pm
Cars are designed to get you from one location to the other. Guns are designed to wound or kill whatever they're aimed at. Different set of values.
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post #49 of 124
4/26/10 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
Yeah that's true. Except I don't think a few bad apples should ruin it for everyone. That's like banning all people from driving cars because some people can't drive worth shit and get people killed.

Well, don't they already do background checks for anyone applying for a permit? I'm sure most of the crazies can get past this alright if they have no records.

I doubt they'd require a psych screening beforehand because of the costs though.
Driving a car is a necessity for many people to get to school or work and buy essentials for living. Guns are not a necessity. They are useless pieces of machinery that people like to promote as useful. There's no rational argument for why the average citizen should have them except "Its a free country and I wanna". The right to bear arms is archaic and should be repealed just like all the other outdated constitutional rights.
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post #50 of 124
4/26/10 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by joeypants View Post
Take umbrage all you want, but it's anything but crazy. Overzealous? Perhaps depending on where you live.

Your country is different from ours. Don't assume that it's a 1:1 comparison when you factor how "crazy" someone is for wanting a handgun on them. It might seem "crazy" for someone to "need" a handgun when walking down your cozy Canadian street. But try living in a less than stellar area of somewhere like New Orleans and see if the idea doesn't become appealing after a while.

The fertilizer bomb analogy is seriously hyperbolic.
Not really. It's offense in the name of defense. They both say "When I feel threatened I will use the most brute force I feel necessary to stop you from harming me." What's the difference? One is handled under the constitution and one isn't? Or is it the types of people who use one who don't use the other?

For the record, I get the appeal of being able to defend yourself with efficiency. I'm pretty sure guns aren't the best way of doing that. I'm also pretty sure most people who say they want to defend themselves are intentionally leaving off the phrases "from the coons", "from the spics" or "from the New World Order Jew Conspiracy."
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