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post #1 of 42
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****SPOILERS GALORE!!!****

Sorry guys, this has probably been discussed about a million times over the last year, but I gotta ask.

So I finally was able to watch Battle Royale last night, and absofuckinglutely loved it! But the beginning and end are still a mystery to me, what the fuck was going on? We start with a news crew trying to get a shot of the winner of the latest BR game, low and behold, it’s a girl. Fair enough, I can wrap my digs around that. An hour and fifty minutes pass and we are at the end, with the two kids running around Japan as felons. WTF? Did the intro have anything to do with the movie?

post #2 of 42
I always took the intro to show the winner of the last Battly Royale, the one that took place before the one in the actual movie.

It was done "real time" or as a news piece so they called her the current winner... then the events of the movie take place.
post #3 of 42
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It's a lottery. Happens every year. And since the kids end up killing Kitano at the climax, and haven't actually finished this bout of BR, they've displayed a flagrant disregard for the rules of the quite facist times and will pay for it as the law dictates.

The irony being, of course, they're wanted for murder.

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post #5 of 42
*spoilerific*

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bunnymud Stares at Snails:
But I thought that kid that helped the guy and girl excape was the previous years winner? I guess he was from the year before that
i don't think they only had one BR every year. it would have taken too long to find sturdy nice youngsters at that rate. they probably had several BRs every year, a few months apart. (but i could be remembering it all wrong - i saw it a year ago).

great movie, btw. totally fu*ked up of course, but great!

[slowpulse]
post #6 of 42
Both he and Kiriyama (crazy Uzi kid) were previous BR winners, but they didn't specify which year(s).
post #7 of 42
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bunnymud Stares at Snails:
But I thought that kid that helped the guy and girl excape was the previous years winner?
I believe he states at some point that he was the winner from 3 years ago.
post #8 of 42
Great flick....my only question....is that from the beginning, the winner of the Battle Royale is a huge deal, with tons of press, etc.

So if this is such a huge pop culture moment, how can this new class of kids have no idea of what Battle Royale is?
post #9 of 42
(yeah probably major SPOILERAGE in this post too, so like, stay away)

I always did wonder about that, Vitus.

The thing is, I actually suspectted the girl at the beginning was Mitsuko, the uber-psycho girl, because when she's "killed" it has a question mark afterwards. They're unsure if she's dead or not. And that the three that escaped were disqualiified and she becomes the winner.

Then again, the face didn't really match, so maybe it was the previous year's winner or the next year's winner (when things get more publicized)

Additionally, it always seemed like the press for the BRs was something that kids never paid attention to. They were too busy boycotting school and the like.
post #10 of 42
The whole logic behind the BR Act made no sense anyway. "Kids are boycotting school and being rebellious. Here's an idea - let's randomly kill a class of freshmen. That'll get the kids back in school and solve all our social and economic problems!"
post #11 of 42
Still a kick ass flick though.

The Manga made it clearer just how many Battle's were held a year, but it's also a game show, which I assume it is in the novel.

The whole TV show element was never mentioned in the movie, but it's a big plot point in the Manga and it's still mentioned in some synopsis of the movie.

Dunno.
post #12 of 42
need to get the rest of the manga's
post #13 of 42
Quote:
soultaker:
The whole logic behind the BR Act made no sense anyway. "Kids are boycotting school and being rebellious. Here's an idea - let's randomly kill a class of freshmen. That'll get the kids back in school and solve all our social and economic problems!"
It apparently didn't work. Despite all the press and the big hoopla these kids were somehow ignorant of the BR. I would seem to me that if they truly want to teach these kids a lesson, that they'd make sure every single one of them was at least aware of the consequences.

Still. A good movie. One day I'll own it.
post #14 of 42
Despite Kitano's BS about its purpose (building the students' characters "to become productive members of society"), I think it's more a sadistic/cathartic outlet for the adults, for them to regain a (false) sense of control over the unruly generation.
post #15 of 42
Why did "Sickle-Girl" have a question mark after her "death" plaque?
post #16 of 42
*******SPOILERS********

I love this flick too, but it definitely has some flaws (some of which have just been brought to my attention).

Just be thankful that you didn't see the "special edition" which contains the "requiem ending"...aka the stupidest fucking tack-on ending ever. God did that suck.

And I always get pissed off when that guy gets up at the end to answer his cellphone after getting shot at point blank range. Where did that come from?
post #17 of 42
That's Beat for ya!
post #18 of 42
just to add to the craziness
post #19 of 42
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Bad Mojo:
*******SPOILERS********

I love this flick too, but it definitely has some flaws (some of which have just been brought to my attention).

Just be thankful that you didn't see the "special edition" which contains the "requiem ending"...aka the stupidest fucking tack-on ending ever. God did that suck.
Not to mention very sketchy subs (if it's the same version I had). Half of the quirky little instruction video (I love that part!!) wasn't subtitled and the entire explanation of the BR act at the very beginning wasn't subbed. I agree though...the requiem ending sucked hard.

post #20 of 42
Here's an semi-interesting cast page ... The winner at the beginning of the film has no double role or anything ... She is not one in the same as the 2 we see win during the film ...

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The instructional video girl was the voice of Chun Lee in the Street Fighter game

As for the requiem ending .... I didn't think it was that bad ... In fact, we get to see more of how Mitsuko actually wants to be included, but is just unable to bring herself to enjoying anything ... and that makes her character even more sympathetic, which I like ...

Any way you slice it, the film absolutely rules

<a href="http://homepage.tinet.ie/~screamanthology/br/cast.htm" target="_blank">Battle Royale Cast</a>

post #21 of 42
OK, I'm unsure now which version I saw. Could someone please put here or in PM at least the differences between the two endings?
Thanks
post #22 of 42
jah

I thought Beat wanted her in a bad way....that is what I got from that ending
post #23 of 42
I figure I should pick up the director's cut one of these days...

Still so no one knows why there was a question mark after Mitsuko's death plaque?
post #24 of 42
I think it was in the matter in which she died
post #25 of 42
Yeah, could some one post what the "requiem ending" is. I believe that is not the one I saw, and would like to find out. Also, I thought it was hillarious when Beat answered his cell phone.
post #26 of 42
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wydren is covered in demon cat pee:
Yeah, could some one post what the "requiem ending" is. I believe that is not the one I saw, and would like to find out. Also, I thought it was hillarious when Beat answered his cell phone.
The requiem ending isn't really different, it just has 3 added parts tacked on ...

We go back to the basketball game, and we see our characters enjoying themselves and celebrating ... Mitsuko obviously wants to join in on the celebration, however, she just can't bring herself to, and gets up and leaves the gym ...

In one of the more bizarre moments, we see Noriko and Mr Kitano walking together eating ice cream ... They are casually talking, with Noriko explaining about the knife she kept : we have the uncomfortable feeling there is much more going on between the 2 of them ... at least that's what I got ...

post #27 of 42
Damn Mitsuko! So tragic!

Is anyone else off set when they go to her website and see that first picture?

That's not the Mitsuko I know...

post #28 of 42
How did that one kid have that computer and book. I thought they didn't have any of their personal belongings.

Or, did the adults just leave a laptop and a book with instructions on how to make a bomb lying around.

post #29 of 42
They make it very clear that the students may have brought personal items, and if you think they might help, you can take those items from the kids you kill.

There's no book on bomb-making lying around. That kid had a relative who was a revolutionary - and a big influence.

I think Beat's "this country is no damned good" speech is a reflection on his own motivations - an extrapolation of the "these good-for-nothing kids today" mentality that most educators posess.

The government's reasons are simply population control. Thinning the herd. In the book and the manga, the BR Contests happen pretty frequently. The movie doesn't answer some of these questions - I think - because the source material was widely known, and people could fill in the blanks.

I mean, a knowledge of how school works in Japan is something you need to understand just to measure the passage of time when watching the film. Otherwise, you might get the idea that Shuya's dad offs himself a short while before Shuya ends up in BR. The reality is that years go by.

To my mind, that the kids don't know that BR is a law, and a competition, and a cultural thing, is meant to be a comment on how little they care for whatever is going on in the world around them...and how much they are sheltered from it.

In high school, I dated a Japanese girl. Her spoken english was excellent, but her written English hurt her college entrance exams. There was INSANE PRESSURE on her to get into a good school - which is a deeply cultural thing (or was, as the mid-80's - early 90's salaryman thing has totally dried up, and they're facing harsh economic realities there now - Shuya's father is a representative for that situation). The pressure was so intense that, upon graduation, she was shipped back to Japan by her parents. She lived in a spartan little box of an apartment, and WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A TELEVISION.

She had to argue for A CAR.

The idea was that her parents forbade her to do or own ANTHING that might impede her studies.

So I wasn't allowed to visit, and the distance killed the thing.

She did write, mentioned being stressed as all hell...

The irony of this is, while she couldn't own a television, she ended up on television - in some 90210 knock-off as a best friend of one of the main characters.

Anyway - her parents wouldn't let her OUTSIDE, let alone back to the states. Listening to that stuff in such bright detail made the notion of a bunch of kids not knowing what was happening in their country or within their culture - POP Culture being the exception, of course - completely plausible.

Sure, the film is flawed - but I think that it's supposed to be more about cultural ideas and identity than the rules of the competition. The BR Island and its inhabitants are a microcosm in a petri-dish/pressure cooker. Kitano says life is a game, and the BR game's logic - such as it is - makes better sense than the logic of life. The Battle Royale's controlled chaos is somehow prefereble to the uncontrolled chaos of our world.

Then again, it could be argued that the BR's measured insanity only ADDS to the immeasurable craziness of a country and culture in desperate trouble - which is, to my knowledge, what BR2 touches on...

...while it sucks, sadly.
post #30 of 42
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Hot Animal Machine:
I think Beat's "this country is no damned good" speech is a reflection on his own motivations - an extrapolation of the "these good-for-nothing kids today" mentality that most educators posess.

The government's reasons are simply population control. Thinning the herd. In the book and the manga, the BR Contests happen pretty frequently. The movie doesn't answer some of these questions - I think - because the source material was widely known, and people could fill in the blanks.
That's actually a little disapointing. I loved the idea that the adults would pass a BR law just because the young generation was lazy and disrespectful. It's very Japanese and very Old Testament at the same time. In fact, I'm going to continue to assume that his explanation is true for the BR movieverse.
post #31 of 42
PS--leaving something unexplained is not the same thing as a plothole. The filmmakers are not obliged to explain everything to you. Use your imagination.
post #32 of 42
Assume what you want - I think it's totally open to interpretation, and I like yours. And I like that there are things we see or think when we see it that the Japanese don't see as open-to-interpretation.

After seeing the movie, I had a lot of questions, and ended up reading quite a bit about Japan's economic and cultural implosion to find the answers.

I'd been left with the assumption that , in the Battle Royalniverse, the Japanese government passed the BR Act with the notion that were there fewer kids coming out of school, then there would be fewer adults who end up jobless in the private sector. Less aimless square pegs fighting their way into round holes, only to end up jaded, disenfranchised, and critical.

In the novel, parents who discover that their kids are enrolled in the BR face this with a solemn tear and a sigh of resignation, by and large. Those who don't...pretty much get disappeared.

Most tend to handle it quietly because they are informed by a government suit and a cadre of armed men.

Perhaps population control is the wrong choice of words - CROWD control might be more apt...?

And I jsut wanted to mention, by the by, that Kou Shibasaki's Mitsuko was QT's inspiration for GoGo Yubari. Don't know why she didn't get the role, but before Kill Bill was a glimmer in anyone's eye, Tarantino was quoted in the Japanese media as saying that BR was a masterpiece, and that Shibasaki was incredible.

Oh, how I wish, over and over again, that Kou was Go...Go.

But hey - Chigusa ain't so bad.

Also, I'd like to state that CT's right when he says that Beat answering the phone after being shot full of holes is really "just Beat". It's the quirky, deadpan dark humor he's known for.
post #33 of 42
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Z-Man, The Gentleman Geek:
PS--leaving something unexplained is not the same thing as a plothole. The filmmakers are not obliged to explain everything to you. Use your imagination.
Didn't see this when I started typing...what's it supposed to mean?
post #34 of 42
The Weirdness of Double Posts...

post #35 of 42
I, too, wish Go Go was Kou.

that would have been AWESOME.

Too bad Yuki's Revenge wasn't included...how freaking awesome would that be to have her as Chigasu's sister seeking revenge?
post #36 of 42
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Hot Animal Machine:
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Z-Man, The Gentleman Geek:
PS--leaving something unexplained is not the same thing as a plothole. The filmmakers are not obliged to explain everything to you. Use your imagination.
Didn't see this when I started typing...what's it supposed to mean?
That was directed towards the earlier posts about "plot holes"--nothing to do with your post.
post #37 of 42
Ah - gotcha.

Some of these "plot holes" are only cultural differences, anyway...
post #38 of 42
I'm firmly entrenched in the Chiaki-as-GoGo camp myself, but that could be because Shibasaki made a deeper impression on me playing the perfect girlfriend in Isao Yukisada's excellent <a href="http://www.kfccinema.com/reviews/drama/go/go.html" target="_blank">Go</a>.

post #39 of 42
Quote:
mrstiffie:
Also, I do not belive that "Beat"'s character had sexual desires for the young girl. He said his wife and kids hated him, and I think he took to her as a surrogate daughter, albeit in a macbre way...
I am right there with you on this...
post #40 of 42
Quote:
Richard Norton:
I'm firmly entrenched in the Chiaki-as-GoGo camp myself, but that could be because Shibasaki made a deeper impression on me playing the perfect girlfriend in Isao Yukisada's excellent <a href="http://www.kfccinema.com/reviews/drama/go/go.html" target="_blank">Go</a>.
I'm curious as to what you meant by that actually.

You said before your perspective changed when you watched Go. Do you mean that she struck you as more than "sickle girl"?

At first I thought you meant "I can't see her in the same light" in a derogatory way...
post #41 of 42
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CTDeLude (CHUDpublican):
You said before your perspective changed when you watched Go. Do you mean that she struck you as more than "sickle girl"?

At first I thought you meant "I can't see her in the same light" in a derogatory way...
She was good as Mitsuko, no doubt (though IMO practically devoid of the predatory femme-fatale sexuality that defined her character in the manga version), but she was just phenomenal as the Ideal Girlfriend in Go. Just pitch-perfect.
post #42 of 42
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mrstiffie:
Anyone know when the Region 1 of BR2 will be out?
<a href="http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/pid-1002861261/section-videos/code-j/" target="_blank">The HK VCD comes out November 11.</a> I assume the HK R3 or R0 DVD will follow not too long after. The Japanese R2 will debut in December. I doubt there'll be a US Region 1 release in the immediate future.
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