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EXCLUSIVE CLIP: NEVER SLEEP AGAIN - A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET DOC

post #1 of 53
4/28/10 at 1:40pm
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What did Peter Jackson have to do with A Nightmare on Elm Street? Find out.

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post #2 of 53
4/28/10 at 1:41pm
Oops, I thought the thread machine wasn't working.

Use this thread please!
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post #3 of 53
4/28/10 at 1:43pm
The storyboards of that PJ concept are better than the entirety of FREDDY'S DEAD.
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post #4 of 53
4/28/10 at 2:24pm
Okay so Jackson came up with what sounds like the coolest and freshest direction that the series could ever go and of course absolutely none of it makes it into the film. I never knew about that though. Very cool.
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post #5 of 53
4/28/10 at 2:34pm
Sounds like they used a tiny bit of that concept in Freddy Vs Jason. With Freddy now powerless because kids aren't afraid anymore.
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post #6 of 53
4/28/10 at 2:42pm
Kind of, but Freddy didn't have any power in that movie because none of the kids even knew who Freddy was. Plus, the parents gave their kids hypnocil. The idea that the kids are so not afraid of Freddy that they put themselves to sleep just to kick the shit out of the guy is priceless, and I wish we could have seen that.
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post #7 of 53
4/28/10 at 2:43pm
That's been a concept since day one so I wouldn't say that Tati.
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post #8 of 53
4/28/10 at 3:16pm
This idea would have been great because Freddy WAS a joke at that point. It would have been the perfect way to shed the jokey persona and make him scary again within the context of the franchise without having to go all super-meta like NEW NIGHTMARE. But no, give the movie to Rachael Talalay instead so she can really fuck things up.
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post #9 of 53
4/28/10 at 3:24pm
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The storyboards of that PJ concept are better than the entirety of FREDDY'S DEAD.
The story boards look more straight up comic book adaptation judging by the layout of the panels. I wonder who did the art for these. Style look familiar to anyone?

Edit: My guess is Joe Quesada. Maybe Bachalo.
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post #10 of 53
4/28/10 at 3:45pm
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But no, give the movie to Rachael Talalay instead so she can really fuck things up.
Hey, I'm just thankful we got the Breckin Meyer Nintendo murder!
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post #11 of 53
4/28/10 at 3:47pm
As a hardcore Nightmare on Elm Street enthusiast I know what I'm going to be importing in May. I love those sorts of Documentaries anyways, I can still stick on the three hour documentaries for Blade Runner or Alien and get something out of them, but for a series I <3 so much it's going to be extra awesome.

Can't wait for the rebootquel or whatever the hell it is. I wasn't personally offended by The Friday the 13th remake so I'm hoping I'll be equally as ambivalent towards this one.
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post #12 of 53
4/28/10 at 3:51pm
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As a hardcore Nightmare on Elm Street enthusiast I know what I'm going to be importing in May. I love those sorts of Documentaries anyways, I can still stick on the three hour documentaries for Blade Runner or Alien and get something out of them, but for a series I <3 so much it's going to be extra awesome.

Can't wait for the rebootquel or whatever the hell it is. I wasn't personally offended by The Friday the 13th remake so I'm hoping I'll be equally as ambivalent towards this one.
Wait! What? You like the Nightmare series? God, my whole image of you has been shattered.
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post #13 of 53
4/28/10 at 3:54pm
I don't quite know how to respond to that. I think every horror fan has a specific series that they tend to like more than others. For me it's the Nightmare on Elm Street films (with the Hellraiser series being close behind, despite it's inherent awfulness).
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post #14 of 53
4/28/10 at 4:07pm
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I don't quite know how to respond to that. I think every horror fan has a specific series that they tend to like more than others. For me it's the Nightmare on Elm Street films (with the Hellraiser series being close behind, despite it's inherent awfulness).
See, now Hellraiser would've made sense to me. For all it's flaws it tries some new things.

I don't want this to come off as negative but your taste seems to run above the likes of the Nightmare series. Beyond the first one, I don't think there's much there to sink your teeth into. And you've always seemed like someone who needs that something more.
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post #15 of 53
4/28/10 at 4:14pm
I could try and justify it by saying that they're always visually interesting (even the shit smeared asthetic of the Dream Child) but I just like them. I like the style and the inventiveness and the playfulness of them.

I'm hardly a paragon of good taste, even if I act like a pretentious douchebag about things.
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post #16 of 53
4/28/10 at 4:23pm
Nightmare has always been the horror series for people with artier taste. I had an artist girlfriend who wouldn't go near a horror film outside of the Nightmare series. Hellraiser is for goths.
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post #17 of 53
4/28/10 at 5:15pm
Also, the fact that there's only two good/watchable Hellraiser movies out of, what, 27?

Meanwhile, I can still breeze through watching Elm St 5 or Freddy's Dead, and I'm fully aware both those films are shit.

There's always something worth sticking around for in every film in this series. That's more than I can say for most series with awful entries.
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post #18 of 53
4/28/10 at 5:19pm
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There's always something worth sticking around for in every film in this series. That's more than I can say for most series with awful entries.
What is there in Freddy's Dead? I'm a big Elm Street fan and I'm hard pressed to find any redeeming qualities.

...okay, maybe the manic Looney Tunes opening where Freddy drives John Doe outta Springwood.

...and Yappet Kotto.
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post #19 of 53
4/28/10 at 5:24pm
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What is there in Freddy's Dead? I'm a big Elm Street fan and I'm hard pressed to find any redeeming qualities.

...okay, maybe the manic Looney Tunes opening where Freddy drives John Doe outta Springwood.

...and Yappet Kotto.
I despise that flick as an end to the traditional Nightmare series, but I've come to see it as Elm St: The Animated Series over the years. Englund's just having such a fucking ball in that film.

Also, aside from the awful looking white space with the Metal Gear Solid camera, I also rather enjoy the flashback portion of the 3D segment.
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post #20 of 53
4/28/10 at 5:31pm
Is Freddy's Dead the one with the fucking NINTENDO POWER GLOVE? That's one of the few scenes I remember from that movie... that and the one where he enhances that guy's hearing and scanners-style kills him by scratching the chalkboard (if these are indeed from that movie).
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post #21 of 53
4/28/10 at 5:33pm
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.. that and the one where he enhances that guy's hearing and scanners-style kills him by scratching the chalkboard (if these are indeed from that movie).
Yep. Best scene in the movie.
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post #22 of 53
4/28/10 at 5:35pm
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Is Freddy's Dead the one with the fucking NINTENDO POWER GLOVE? That's one of the few scenes I remember from that movie
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Originally Posted by Mattioli at 2:45 p.m.
Hey, I'm just thankful we got the Breckin Meyer Nintendo murder!
So, yes.
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post #23 of 53
4/28/10 at 6:07pm
The Nightmare series was my favorite as a kid. I can actually sit and enjoy every one of them but Freddy's Dead and New Nightmare. Friday the 13th eclipsed it a for me at some point but when it comes to production design, effects and creativity there really isn't a horror franchise out there that is anywhere near Nightmare's level.
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post #24 of 53
4/28/10 at 6:12pm
I will say that Friday's attempt at cartoon-silly (Jason X and the last 30 minutes of Jason Takes Manhattan) comes off far stronger and funnier than Nightmare's (Freddy's Dead).
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post #25 of 53
4/28/10 at 9:52pm
Preaching to the choir here. I think Freddy's Dead is probably the worst of the big three's theatrical releases.
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post #26 of 53
4/29/10 at 1:21am
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The storyboards of that PJ concept are better than the entirety of FREDDY'S DEAD.
Word. New Line chose poorly.
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post #27 of 53
4/29/10 at 6:52am
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Preaching to the choir here. I think Freddy's Dead is probably the worst of the big three's theatrical releases.
If by big three you're also including the HALLOWEEN run, then I must protest. This is in no way, shape (hey hey) or form defending FREDDY'S DEAD (unless we're talking about the Curtis Mayfield Freddie's Dead), but anything you put up against HALLOWEEN: RESURRECTION will come out smelling like a champion. While I'm thinking about it, JASON TAKES MANHATTAN is also not better than anything.

It is also quite possible that I haven't seen Freddy's Dead in well over a decade, so I might be giving it too much credit, even though 'better than Halloween: Resurrection' is the very definition of faint praise.

I would like to see this doc. Among the 80's pop horror boom, I remain fascinated with the Nightmare series not so much for the movies, but for the fact that in 1988 you could walk into any local toy store and purchase any manner of toys relating to a horribly disfigured child murderer.
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post #28 of 53
5/26/10 at 1:37pm
Really fun & comprehensive documentary so far (I watched up till Dream Warriors before going to bed). I wasn't too wowed by His Name Was Jason, but this one is much more fascinating due in large part to the spotlight on the behind the scenes history, w/ frank and humorous input from the filmmakers, the studio heads and the talented creative teams. Seeing Bob Shaye's cameo in Part 2 cracked me up, after Jack Sholder's buildup. And Clu Galager is awesome as expected.
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post #29 of 53
9/21/10 at 6:03pm
Slowly working my way through the four hour (!) doc. They really get into the gay subtext from Part 2, pretty fun stuff. Great stories about part 1 I'd never heard before, either.
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post #30 of 53
9/21/10 at 6:18pm
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Slowly working my way through the four hour (!) doc. They really get into the gay subtext from Part 2, pretty fun stuff. Great stories about part 1 I'd never heard before, either.
I take that as an endorsement of the doc? I'd been really curious to check this out. 4-hours is quite an undertaking, but I always assumed it had to be worth a watch if they spent that much time on it.
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post #31 of 53
9/21/10 at 6:18pm
Haven't been able to get my hands on this for various boring prosaic reasons. Really want to see it. One of these days.
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post #32 of 53
9/21/10 at 6:25pm
If the documentary featured nothing but the various cast members from Dream Master doing Renny Harlin impersonations, it would still be totally worth watching.
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post #33 of 53
9/21/10 at 6:29pm
DREAM MASTER is really bad. I hope they mock the whole movie.
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post #34 of 53
9/21/10 at 6:39pm
It has great access (everyone but Depp and Blakely, by my count) and a fun stop-motion opening, and I like what I've seen so far. I'm not a giant fan of the franchise beyond the original (though I've regained some historic fascination for the WTF-ness of Part 2), so we'll see how psyched I get as it goes on.
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post #35 of 53
9/21/10 at 6:46pm
I swear I read somewhere, somewhere recently, that Depp was disappointed that Craven didn't ask him to be a part of New Nightmare because Craven assumed that he wouldn't be interested anyway. That sounded like complete bullshit to me, but whatever, no surprise that he doesn't show up for this. Like Phil I have no great love for the franchise, but I've always been fascinated by the idea of an undead child rapist and murderer becoming a beloved cultural icon, so I will be checking this out.
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post #36 of 53
9/21/10 at 6:48pm
It's a really fun doc, but an appreciation for the series certainly helps to make it through the whole thing. It's nice to see them own up to how shitty the movies got at times. They did manage to get just about everybody from the movies to sit down and talk a bit, which is pretty neat. And hilarious in the case of the tough chick from Freddy's Dead. She's seemingly some sort of evil clown these days.
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post #37 of 53
9/21/10 at 7:21pm
Yeah, the only person who comes as slightly deluded about the merits of their film is Stephen Hopkins. The Renny Harlin impressions are hilarious, but I just love all of the production crew slowly coming to the realisation of how super-gay the second film is.
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post #38 of 53
9/21/10 at 7:26pm
There seems to be quite a few candid opinions about certain on-set frictions and rivalries. I recommend. Even at the length, I was never bored. And it's broken down by entry, so you can watch it in installments if need be.
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post #39 of 53
9/21/10 at 9:32pm
Holy shit! I just saw Jacob the Dream Child on a Metro PCS ad! He's still creepy looking but is pudgy and has a beard.
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post #40 of 53
9/22/10 at 2:09am
I'm a Jason man, straight up, yet this was the easiest 4hr viewing of my life. I just sat there and watched the whole thing in one sitting. I was fully engaged; it was weird. It was the candid attitude that did it. I never expected people to be so honest about the films, especially the New Line people basically saying things like "Yeah, we knew that one sucked so for the next one we blah blah blah."
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post #41 of 53
9/22/10 at 11:05am
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And hilarious in the case of the tough chick from Freddy's Dead. She's seemingly some sort of evil clown these days.
Other than the fact that there were Freddy Krueger children's pajamas in the '80s, this was my favorite revelation in the entire documentary. Although, I also found it hilarious that John Doe turned into a fatty and Tuesday Knight turned into some sort of living cupie doll.

And the ending, featuring the actor's doing their famous lines from the series, was priceless.
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post #42 of 53
10/6/10 at 1:50am
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And hilarious in the case of the tough chick from Freddy's Dead. She's seemingly some sort of evil clown these days.
With a submissive who sits at her feet throughout her interview, never explained. T'fuck?

Langenkamp is pretty beautiful in New Nightmare. I came away wanting to rewatch 3 and 4 after this. Apparently 4 riffs on 80s Asian horror a lot?
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post #43 of 53
10/6/10 at 2:03am
4 is Mtv-slick, ready for the ADD generation, and I plopped it in after watching this doc months ago. I actually liked it much, much more than I remembered.
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post #44 of 53
10/6/10 at 2:05am
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Apparently 4 riffs on 80s Asian horror a lot?
I'm seriously trying to come up with how that is applicable to the film I remember seeing and can't do it. Was it Harlin spinnin' that? This should be in my mailbox tomorrow. Looking forward to the section on Nightmare 2.
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post #45 of 53
10/6/10 at 2:08am
I love Edgar Wright's story on the Hot Fuzz commentary about how when he was a projectionist, he once accidentally switched two reels of NOES 4 and no one noticed.

Do they ever figure out who was responsible for the homo-erotic content in Part 2? I always suspected it was the editor.
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post #46 of 53
10/6/10 at 2:13am
A couple guys own up to it, but the director and at least one producer maintain they had no goddamn idea.
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post #47 of 53
10/6/10 at 2:15am
Find it hard to believe the homoeroticism in 2 was unintentional. That's like saying Snooki from "Jersey Shore" accidentally got crabs.
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post #48 of 53
10/6/10 at 2:41am
The screenwriter says it was intentional, everyone else says they had no clue but look back now and wonder how they could have had their heads so far up their asses.
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post #49 of 53
10/6/10 at 11:09pm
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With a submissive who sits at her feet throughout her interview, never explained. T'fuck?
Yeah, that was amazing.


I found this doc pretty damn enjoyable. I have to admit that although I'm a fan of the film series, I've never delved too far into the behind the scenes minutia aside from general types of trivia. I have no idea how the fact that David Warner was originally cast as Freddy escaped my attention all of these years. So that make-up test on him was a cool thing to see.

The section on Part 2 is priceless, Ripoll.
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post #50 of 53
10/7/10 at 10:24am
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The section on Part 2 is priceless, Ripoll.
It really is, although I think the section on Part 5 is right up there.
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