Zombies: Nikes or Birkenstocks

I dunno. The shambling hordes of Romero and most before him are certainly disturbing--they don't get you with speed, they get you with NUMBERS--but I remember when re-watching "Return of the Living Dead" being surprised at how effective the running zombies were, scare wise. I mean, it's a funny movie, but for me there were some genuine creepouts in there, one of which was the zombie with half a leg eating the ambulance guy, seeing the protagonists, and then hopping up and booking it after then with just that half a leg. That really got to me, for some reason. eek!

But that's a novelty and not something I'd want to see all the time. Besides, unless they're fresh, they don't have the musculature or skeletal stability to run, not to mention motor skills.

I believe there is room for both types.

I'd personally love to see a film where the recently deceased move pretty quickly while others shamble along or barely can move at all. Mind you, none of them would run like Flash. It would be an all speeds zombie film. Makes sense to me.

By the way, nice thread title.

I think there's room for both also.

Certain movies have certain zombies.

A Romero zombie can be taken out with a bullet to the head, a Return of the Living dead zombie can't

A Romero zombie shambles, a ROTLD zombie does not, it runs.

A Romero zombie can't talk (Bub as an exception), ROTLD zombies are very chatty.

A Romero zombie eat's flesh, and as much as it can, a ROTLD zombie only eats brains.

No one disputes that Return of the Living Dead zombies are not zombies. They have different characteristics, but are still widely accepted as zombies. Because they are.

These Dawn zombies might run, but they are zombies. No question about it, zombies.

So, with that said, yes, the zombies run. To slam a movie (before any of us have even seen it) based on some preconceived notion really limits how much you will enjoy the movie right from the start.

Some of us are all ready biased against this movie, and running, hopping or pissing zombies be damned...some will hate it no matter what.

This movie is happening. For anyone with doubts, the trailer should end all wonderment if this movie is even happening. And the zombies run.

Fast, from the looks of it.

We can deal with it, or not. See it or don't, but you never know...you might like it, if you go into it with an open mind.

Running zombies are still zombies. Hey, at least they are still flesh eaters.

(I used the following line in another thread a while back)
Like Henry Rollins once said: You're either gonna like it and take it, or you're gonna hate it and take it, but either way, you have to take it.

We are stuck with this remake, for good or bad. And to limit a new movie based on the original (which I and many others love) will really cause displeasure for yourself.

And a scene for scene remake would be worse.

This movie has so much against it from fans of the original. If it had a different title, people would say it ripped off the original Dawn anyway, so this little trooper that could will be out in March.

If we like it or not.

Running zombies, too.

I applaud ur wise statement thedudeabides... I agree. Dawn is gonna kick ass!!!

If it hard a different title people would say it's a ripped off the original Dawn anyway.

I don't think so. No one says that Hammer's Horror Of Dracula ripped off Universal's Dracula or the Bram Stoker's Dracula ripped of Hammer. Remakes happen all the time. I don't have a problem with that. There are even a few that are better than the original like The Thing which is a remake of The Thing From Another World. The difference as I see it is one of respect. Universal didn't want Hammer to use the name "Dracula" and they didn't. Romero doesn't want the "Dawn Of The Dead" name used and Universal doesn't care. If Universal, or Rubenstein had any respect for Romero they would change the title. This movie isn't for the fans or by the fans. It doesn't pay tribute to the original. It's a slap in the face of Romero. Savini and Rubinstein have stabbed Romero in the back. It seems that alot of people who call themselves Romero fans are going to do the same.

Dead Alive had quick and agile zombies, and they were most certainly cool.

As for the medical reasons...... Rigor Mortis set in over the course of 2 days or so, but then it eventually fades as the muscles lose their cohesiveness. They basically go soft and start to look and feel like just what they are... rancid meat. So to base ANY conjecture on the idea that zombies actually use their own muscles to move is erroneous from the get go.

But we DO have skeletal arms and such that still move in these movies. hence the motor force must come from soemthing other than muscle, so the nature of those muscles becomes immaterial.

See, this is the main reason why I hate this new film. They have no respect for somebody to either get their endorcement or change the title.

Are we to boycott every horror movie just because it is unoriginal? Then break out the Disney movies, because there would hardly be anything left.

This remake was legally bought and there was nothing underhanded about it. On that end Romero will get some cash. John Carpenter didn't have to have Howard Hawkes permission to legally buy the rights for The Thing '82.

I know that was not what you meant, Borgosi, but I wanted to use that to illustrate my point.

I ove the original Dawn. Always have, always will. It changed my life forever and made me a horror fan. Just because I support the remake doesn't mean I'm stabbing Romero in the back. I support him and would love to see him make more movies, he's my favorite director.

Shit, I even like Bruiser, a lot. How many people will go on record saying that?

Anyone who supports the remake Just wants to see a good movie. And people who look at the two movies as different animals can support both movies and enjoy them.

And when Hammer remade the Universal dracula and frankenstein movies, they took the original idea and went off with it their way. That was because Universal legally blocked Hammer from using too many of "their" ideas. There's no hunchback character, in fact they were legally blocked from using one.

I'm not saying that the remake will be better, but i don't understand the furious anger a lot of people have towards this remake.

When Zombi came out in Italy as Zombi2 to cash in on Dawn's reputation, no one was up in arms about that.

I'd rather see a big budget Dawn remake, done with some class and care, with some new ideas than to see most of those independant zombie trash ripoffs (yeah Meat Market, I'm lookin' at you).

And James Gunn and Zack Snyder have, the whole time, said they love Dawn and are not trying to improve it, or slam it, or what. They are supposedely fans, and just want to make another zombie movie, a'la Romero.

If we should be angry at anyone, and that's a big IF, we should be angry at Richard Rubenstein for selling the rights. If he wanted to he could have offered it to Romero first.

And that's another thing, would people be up in arms over this remake if Gearge A. Romero was doing it?
People weren't thrilled when NOTLD 90 came out. And that ended up being a good movie that did not tarnish the original NOTLD (we'll leave that up to John Russo and his 30th Anniversary edition)

So basically, like it hate it, the remake is here.

But don't slam fans of Romero just because they think this remake might be a fun movie, or are looking at it objectively.

Shit man, it's your right not to like it or want it.

This movie could be quite good, all it needs is a chance.

But for some, it's doomed from the start.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, and I don't expect anyone to change my mind, but the point is, someone who wants to see this remake or supports it is not a heartless, ignorant person.

There's room for both. Theatres have exits and TV's have an off button.

Romero is not making any money off of this remake. Rubinstein owned the rights because he always did. That was the only way Romero was able to make the original. Rubinstein backed the original and because of that he held the rights to the title.

The reason no one has a problem with "Zombi 2" is because there is a 2 after the title. If this was call something different I would have a problem with it. I might even go see it if it had a different title. Because of the fact that Romero didn't want his movie remade and the fact that some people don't care and decided to do it anyway, I will not go see this movie.

If you are a fan of Romero and his movies and he ask you not to remake one and you do it anyway, your not much of a fan.

Good point, i3ullseye. We tend to forget in these discussions that zombies are not like deer and bears, but are FRIKKIN' SUPERNATURAL CREATURES. They're not moving from motor impulses, they're moving from some force outside science. Doctor Frankenstein in Day of the Dead confirms this when he cuts all the cables and they still keep moving. The only thing that works is to cut off the brain--probably as it's the seat of the soul or the animus or whatever.

Nikes. Zombies wouldn't be caught dead in Birkenstocks. Oh wait