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THE DAMNED UNITED (2009)

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Well, I viewed this last night after I got it out of the local red box. I've been watching LIFE ON MARS (the bbc version) and in episode five of series one, John Simms gives an impassioned speech about the evils of soccer hooliganism. That speech, along with my casual interest in Michael Sheen, lead me to rent TDU and see what the big fuss about football was all about

The performances were solid (Sheen in the lead, and the evil cop from LOM bbc version as the evil coach), and the history was interesting. It wasn't quite dynamic enough to really grab me (it felt like a very well put together tele-film, at best), but all the same I was entertained and felt liked I learned something by the time the credits rolled

Sheen in particular shone () and his work as the mouthy and self satisfied coach who never heard of the word 'hubris' was quite entertaining. I went in expecting Sheen to just do his normal thing*, but instead it was genuine acting and he managed to show off a side of himself that I'd yet to see in his previous work (BLOOD DIAMOND, QUEEN, THE DEAL). I think he's a fairly talented actor and I'll be keeping an eye on him in the future in case he has more surprises in store.

I'd be curious if any UK Chewers (having more familiarity with the story this is based on) found it more affecting than I did

PS My idea? Change the title to "IN DAMNATION, UNITED"

*By this I mean pull a 'Coach Carter' and just play Michael Sheen as a sports leader, without much acting beyond what's already there in his personality.
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The performances were solid (Sheen in the lead, and the evil cop from LOM bbc version as the evil coach)
Are you referring to Colm Meaney? He wasn't in Life On Mars.

I really enjoyed the film, I am not a football fan but I do remember Clough growing up trying to watch football in a bid to bond with my dad, and I had a fondness for his fearless manner. Sheen did great work and I approached the whole film as just a story of rivalry and obsession, it could have literally been about anything and the dynamics would still grab my attention because the cast were so strong.

I can see how it might be jarring to foreign eyes, even for a non-sports fan I at least have a comprehension of the sport and it's national significance. I imagine that might keep people (Americans in particular) at a distance. I just never consciously took the sport into account while following the story.
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Are you referring to Colm Meaney? He wasn't in Life On Mars..
My god, that was Colm Meaney? He sure has aged. You see, when I was watching LOM I kept thinking to myself "Man, that evil cop sure looks and sounds like Colm Meaney". Now I had the opposite problem last night I guess. Thanks for catching my slip up, Weasels Rip Your Flesh
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I really enjoyed the film, I am not a football fan but I do remember Clough growing up trying to watch football in a bid to bond with my dad, and I had a fondness for his fearless manner. Sheen did great work and I approached the whole film as just a story of rivalry and obsession, it could have literally been about anything and the dynamics would still grab my attention because the cast were so strong.

I can see how it might be jarring to foreign eyes, even for a non-sports fan I at least have a comprehension of the sport and it's national significance. I imagine that might keep people (Americans in particular) at a distance. I just never consciously took the sport into account while following the story.
I found it interesting and I think I appreciated the same aspects of the film you did, I just think that like you point out, it's your national obsession and it's hard to get myself into a head space where I can understand rioting over soccer. All the same though, good flick!
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Watched this a few months ago as I've been falling for the Premier League and its various lower leagues over the past year. I think you're right to compare it to a TV movie in some ways, Kate, although Sheen certainly elevates it. And it simply looks gorgeous at times -- some really well-composed shots throughout.
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Watched this a few months ago as I've been falling for the Premier League and its various lower leagues over the past year. I think you're right to compare it to a TV movie in some ways, Kate, although Sheen certainly elevates it. And it simply looks gorgeous at times -- some really well-composed shots throughout.
Yes it was definitely pretty slick and some of the rain soaked speed ramping would not have looked out of place in a Peter Berg movie, I think it's just the scope and relative lack of "big" scenes that make me think it's natural home might be a smaller screen rather than a packed theater. It's more of an intimate character study about one man's hubris than a sports movie, when you get right down to it (IMHO). Sheen elevates the proceedings though, no doubt about that
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I imagine they just didn't have the budget or time to stage some of the game scenes. Hence those approaches -- I agree that it does make for a smaller film, but like you say, since it's more about Clough and Taylor, it's fitting, in a way.
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I imagine they just didn't have the budget or time to stage some of the game scenes. Hence those approaches -- I agree that it does make for a smaller film, but like you say, since it's more about Clough and Taylor, it's fitting, in a way.
Although I thought that approach where they'd have Clough sitting in his office, with the light from the windows getting blocked out by standing ovations every time a goal was scored was quite clever
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I am not sure how you don't get people rioting over sports. People riot over sports here in the States all the time. Jesus, New Orleans shut down after we won the Superbowl. Granted our celebration was more a happy one, but look at all the cities which have had riots and fires after their team wins.

LSU fans are notorious for starting fights win or lose.

Bears fans through snowballs packed with batteries at Saints fans a few years ago.

I have heard of some bad brawls between Red Sox and Yankees fans.

Why would soccer fans be any different than other sports fans?
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I'd recommend the book this is based on by David Peace (also wrote the Red Riding trilogy), the first person, stream of consciousness writing style is really fascinating and unique. Probably the best sports book I've read.

As for the film, I love Sheen in this, he really captures what Clough was all about (although his widow disputes that a lot of events in the film ever happened) at really interesting period of his career.
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I am not sure how you don't get people rioting over sports. People riot over sports here in the States all the time. Jesus, New Orleans shut down after we won the Superbowl. Granted our celebration was more a happy one, but look at all the cities which have had riots and fires after their team wins.

LSU fans are notorious for starting fights win or lose.

Bears fans through snowballs packed with batteries at Saints fans a few years ago.

I have heard of some bad brawls between Red Sox and Yankees fans.

Why would soccer fans be any different than other sports fans?

To answer your question, I guess it's not so much that I don't understand it, as much as it seems really odd

I guess to me rioting or violence in general over sports is completely alien. I can understand getting worked up over your home team, but any person who would commit an act of violence over sports is suffering from some sort of cognitive problem

As far as soccer goes, I guess unless you're American it's kind of hard to describe why the idea of a soccer riot is so particularly difficult to fathom. In my nation, people get more worked up over tennis then they do soccer. Soccer is, to my mind, something that school children play in place of Lacrosse or Little League. I know that people in other countries take it very seriously*, and I am not at all trying to disparage the sport, it just seems (to me at least) like rioting over foursquare.


*For the record, I think Soccer seems like a cooler sport than football, except that I'd have to say that football (with all it's starts and stops) is probably the more cinematic of the two
post #11 of 14
what i liked about it was the fact that it finishes before the success. Clough becomes a legendary manager (before drinking himself into oblivion) achieving amazing things but these aren't shown.

My favourite part of it, is the way it has introduced a whole new generation of people all around the world to joys of hating leeds united.

Also: the reason it looks like a tv movie? It's a tv movie.
post #12 of 14
I think it smooths over a LOT of Clough's more unpleasant psychoses. They're there, mainly in Sheen's performance, but it kind of turns away from them. By contrast the book is almost terrifying in its examination of his break with reality.
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I am not sure how you don't get people rioting over sports. People riot over sports here in the States all the time. Jesus, New Orleans shut down after we won the Superbowl. Granted our celebration was more a happy one, but look at all the cities which have had riots and fires after their team wins.

LSU fans are notorious for starting fights win or lose.

Bears fans through snowballs packed with batteries at Saints fans a few years ago.
While it's not a good thing, Europe has the States beat in sport-related violence. Just last week fans of Sheiffield Wednesday almost lynched their OWN players after losing a relegation play-off.

As for the film, I enjoyed it, but it's paints Clough the legend (and he is a legend to the generation of my parents, and his achievements in Football will likely never be repeated) rather than Clough the man.
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I follow football plenty, and saw the stuff that happened the other day. My thing is I don't understand how anyone in America can say they don't understand it. We have plenty of incidents here to back it up.
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