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Showgirls (1995)

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Is there another drama out there that has such an insanely terrible central performance? Sure, you can place a lot of the blame can be placed at Joe Eszterhas' feet. The screenplay has Nomi freaking out at the slightest provocation, with wild and insane mood swings that seem completely disconnected from what's going on in the movie. But Elizabeth Berkley takes it a step further, emoting like a psychotic 13-year-old girl.

Are there any good articles or interviews I can read to figure out why the hell Paul Verhoven, a very talented and smart director, FOUGHT to make this movie? Is Basic Instinct this bad? Maybe he just took a mental vacation in between Total Recall and Starship Troopers.

Side Note: "Welcome to Las Vegas". I would like one of those Youtube montages of every movie scene where someone says "Welcome to [Insert Tough City Here]". Never not funny.
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Are there any good articles or interviews I can read to figure out why the hell Paul Verhoven, a very talented and smart director, FOUGHT to make this movie? Is Basic Instinct this bad? Maybe he just took a mental vacation in between Total Recall and Starship Troopers.
Basic Instinct is just as overwrought and ludicrous, but it has much better performances, a nice pervy Hitchcock style and a Jerry Goldsmith score, for what that's worth.
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I'd have to search or dig up my copy to get exact quotes, but Linda Ruth Williams interviewed Paul Verhoeven for her excellent book, The Erotic Thriller in Contemporary Cinema, and he says what attracted him to the project was the possibility of creating a world that just overwhelmed you with it's heightened reality. In truth, he nearly does it because the film is almost violently artificial, but it's hamstrung by a script with no such ambition and performances that are positively heinous. In the end, it's greatest value is that it's something to jerk off to on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

Basic Instinct is not a bad film per se, but I can't say that I like it. There are things going on under the surface and all that, but I never felt compelled by them. His earlier Dutch film, The Fourth Man, is a faaaar superior (and sexier, I think) version of what he was tackling with Basic Instinct.
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Gleefully inspiring audiences everywhere to challenge conventional definitions of "good" and "bad" cinema, Showgirls is undoubtedly the think-piece object d'art of its time. It is Paul Verhoeven and Joe Eszterhas's audaciously experimental satire-but-not-satire, an epically mounted "white melodrama" (to borrow Tag Gallagher's description of Sirk's early, less mannered, and more overtly humanistic comedies of error) and also one of the most astringent, least compromised critiques of the Dream Factory ever unleashed on a frustrated, perpetually (and ideologically) pre-cum audience. Many things to many people, and absolutely nothing to a great deal more, Showgirls' proponents and detractors still square off, digging nine-foot trenches in the sand (some planting their heads therein instead of their feet) and lobbing accusations of elitism and anti-pleasure. It is perhaps one of the only films to bridge that critical gap between Film Quarterly (which hosted a beyond extensive critical roundtable on the film last year) and Joe Bob Briggs. It is a film that will continue to bend brains and drain dicks long after the golf-clap (and Clap-free) cinematic "excellence" of your Jane Austen bastardization of choice is long dismissed. It is the very definition of the term "essential."
http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/showgirls/1087
post #5 of 10
Verhoeven fought to have this movie made? I thought it was his only alternative after Carolco pulled the plug on his Arnold Schwarzenegger vehicle, Crusade, in favor of Cutthroat Island.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
Is there another drama out there that has such an insanely terrible central performance? Sure, you can place a lot of the blame can be placed at Joe Eszterhas' feet. The screenplay has Nomi freaking out at the slightest provocation, with wild and insane mood swings that seem completely disconnected from what's going on in the movie. But Elizabeth Berkley takes it a step further, emoting like a psychotic 13-year-old girl.
Now, I really don't like the movie - at all, not even on an ironic level...just too goddamn boring - but I think Berkeley is pretty much dead-on as the lead. We get way too many movies with heart of gold strippers who read Kafka in between lap danced and are incredibly charismatic. Here we have a performance so forced and lost that it actually fits with the character trying to force her way through life without knowing how you're actually supposed to interact with people. The only kind of person I can think of who would give the kind of lapdance she gives to Kyle MacLaughlin simply to prove a point to another titty dancer is someone without a grasp of who she is and who anyone else is. Because she can't act, she acts like someone who's trying to block through a scene, which is exactly what I would think her character should be. Most actresses aren't brave enough to take such a risk, but Berkeley was too stupid to understand what she was doing.

I didn't know about Verhoven's attempt at 'hyper-realism' (I haven't spent any time researching Showgirls) but if it's true, EB hit it right on the head - entirely by accident I'm sure.
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...just too goddamn boring
This. For a movie so overburdened by people behaving with all the nuance of a paycheck collecting Al Pacino on PCP, with a plot so cheaply sleazy and so devoted to titillation, it's a minor miracle just how fucking boring it is. Even on the basest level I, even though I get turned on by a slight breeze, had to practically force myself to sit through this only because of my insane fanboy love for Verhoeven.
post #8 of 10
I have been a big Verhoeven fan for as long as I remember* knowing who he is (age 13 or so?). SG remains my least favorite of his films.

For what it's worth I didn't think Berkley was *that* bad. She has some talent and turned in strong work in one of my favorite films of 1999, AGS.

IMHO SG and it's problems as a movie can be summed up as "stupid, boring, and vapid". It is filled with characters for whom the only emotion the audience is capable of feeling is loathing. There is the potential for an interesting story in there but somewhere along the line either the script or Verhoeven dropped the ball and forgot to include anything remotely thrilling in this 'erotic thriller'


PS Verhoeven does the best commentary tracks ever. Listening to the criterion ROBOCOP track is on my bucket list**
*I even have an Ed Neumeyer autograph
** I feel retarded for even talking about bucket lists. That expression is extremely lame and I promise not to say it again
post #9 of 10
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...just too goddamn boring
I'll never understand straight guys.
post #10 of 10

I LOVE this movie. Saw it opening day in 95 when I was 17. Today I don't think Verhoven was the right Director for this, although I love his work and consider Basic Instinct to be his masterpiece. But Russ Meyer, in his prime, would have been the perfect man for the job as he would have inserted more deliberate humor, which is the only thing Showgirls is lacking although it is funny as fuck but for all the wrong reasons.

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