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post #1 of 14
5/16/10 at 11:33pm
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Is this still an issue? Some of the discs in my Kubrick collection(the 1st set that included A Life in Pictures) won't play after a certain point now. The Lolita one has always been weird but it played fine in my computer, so I figured it was a player compatibility issue, but then Eyes Wide Shut stopped playing. Now A Clockwork Orange refuses to play after Alex starts his "therapy sessions".

Not a scratch or mark on them.

Is there anything I can do other than just buy the newer discs? Is this even laser rot? Looking around online it seemed to affect some laserdiscs but they had marks on them when it occured, my discs look perfect.
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post #2 of 14
5/17/10 at 12:16am
Are there white blotches on the data side of the disc?
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post #3 of 14
5/17/10 at 12:31am
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Nope. They're pristine.

I would understand this if they were simply defective from the get-go, but I've never had a disc "go bad" before. I'm baffled.
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post #4 of 14
5/17/10 at 1:05am
It's really fucking odd, but it happens.
Well, it hasn't really happened a lot for quite some time.
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post #5 of 14
5/17/10 at 3:30am
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Originally Posted by Nexus-7 View Post
Is this still an issue? Some of the discs in my Kubrick collection(the 1st set that included A Life in Pictures) won't play after a certain point now. The Lolita one has always been weird but it played fine in my computer, so I figured it was a player compatibility issue, but then Eyes Wide Shut stopped playing. Now A Clockwork Orange refuses to play after Alex starts his "therapy sessions".

Not a scratch or mark on them.

Is there anything I can do other than just buy the newer discs? Is this even laser rot? Looking around online it seemed to affect some laserdiscs but they had marks on them when it occured, my discs look perfect.
Laser rot has nothing to do with scuffs or wear and tear physical damage....it's from a manufacturing defect.

I've had, out of around 400 dvd titles, 2 start crapping out on me. One was a cheapo Dragon Street Trash disc, but the other was an Elite Night of the Living Dead, which was kept in pristine condition. So, it happens, as rare as it is.

You could go out and buy replacements, but you could most likely rip the full dvd data, uncompressed, and burn your own replacements, until a future edition came available. I've had dvdrs which crap out all the time (bad storage medium, btw), but which are still able to have all the data accessed, ripped, and burned through a program like DVD Shrink onto new discs, or into straight video files, if one so desires.
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post #6 of 14
5/17/10 at 3:54am
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Laser rot has nothing to do with scuffs or wear and tear physical damage....it's from a manufacturing defect.

I've had, out of around 400 dvd titles, 2 start crapping out on me. One was a cheapo Dragon Street Trash disc, but the other was an Elite Night of the Living Dead, which was kept in pristine condition. So, it happens, as rare as it is.

You could go out and buy replacements, but you could most likely rip the full dvd data, uncompressed, and burn your own replacements, until a future edition came available. I've had dvdrs which crap out all the time (bad storage medium, btw), but which are still able to have all the data accessed, ripped, and burned through a program like DVD Shrink onto new discs, or into straight video files, if one so desires.

That's what I was thinking. But, if it was a defect...could he contact the Home Entertainment division of the aforementioned product.

I've had DVD-Rs from Amazon act a little goofy from time-to-time, but I'm not sure how to read the current condition.

If the DVDs fell apart, they fell apart.
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post #7 of 14
5/17/10 at 4:13am
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That's what I was thinking. But, if it was a defect...could he contact the Home Entertainment division of the aforementioned product.
You know, it wouldn't hurt. It would probably help if he had his invoice still. I could see the company sending out a replacement disc to someone who could show they purchased the set to begin with.

I would be interested to see their response.
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post #8 of 14
5/17/10 at 5:25am
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Yeah I might give that a shot. And yeah, no receipt. It was forever and a half ago when I bought the set.

I haven't watched Barry Lyndon or Dr. Strangelove in a long time, so it's possible they're messed up as well.
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post #9 of 14
5/17/10 at 6:19am
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Yeah I might give that a shot. And yeah, no receipt. It was forever and a half ago when I bought the set.

I haven't watched Barry Lyndon or Dr. Strangelove in a long time, so it's possible they're messed up as well.
Did you order online, ala Amazon, Deep Discount, etc? Online retailers usually have your order history/invoice readily available.

If you just end up having no receipt, maybe they will do an exchange? Providing the faulty disc(s) back would seem as good as a receipt, no?

I hope it works out some way. An individual dvd title going bad is one thing, but a whole box set, at a premium ticket, is another.
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post #10 of 14
5/18/10 at 3:06am
After a cursory internet search, it seems like most cases of "disc rot" leave behind visible signs on the disc itself.

To diagnose your problem, you might want to take all of the discs giving you trouble and try playing them on as many different dvd players as you can find. If your discs can play on your computer dvd rom and other dvd players besides your main one, you might want to consider that the issue lies with the player and not the discs.

Two issues I know of with a dvd player would be laser failure and firmware problems. If you haven't updated the firmware for your player recently, there would be no reason for dvd's to suddenly stop working.

Apologies if you've already considered these possibilities.
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post #11 of 14
5/18/10 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
Did you order online, ala Amazon, Deep Discount, etc? Online retailers usually have your order history/invoice readily available.

If you just end up having no receipt, maybe they will do an exchange? Providing the faulty disc(s) back would seem as good as a receipt, no?

I hope it works out some way. An individual dvd title going bad is one thing, but a whole box set, at a premium ticket, is another.
Thanks, and yeah, store-bought. Going to try out the rest of the set and get in touch with Warners customer service.
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Originally Posted by Sphere_Monk View Post
After a cursory internet search, it seems like most cases of "disc rot" leave behind visible signs on the disc itself.

To diagnose your problem, you might want to take all of the discs giving you trouble and try playing them on as many different dvd players as you can find. If your discs can play on your computer dvd rom and other dvd players besides your main one, you might want to consider that the issue lies with the player and not the discs.

Two issues I know of with a dvd player would be laser failure and firmware problems. If you haven't updated the firmware for your player recently, there would be no reason for dvd's to suddenly stop working.

Apologies if you've already considered these possibilities.
No worries, and thanks for the reply.

Already looked into those things, A Clockwork Orange and Eyes Wide Shut won't play on any player after certain points(tried 3 players, none of which require firmware updates). Haven't retried Lolita, it may be the same way now.

All I can think, is that while it's not "disc/laser rot", it's something to do with the layers inside the disc separating due to poor manufacturing, glue going bad, etc. It's just weird that there are no visible signs of, well, anything.
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post #12 of 14
5/18/10 at 10:19am
I gave it some further google-fu, and I didn't come across any indication that any Kubrick box sets have been specifically susceptible to manufacturing defects or disc rot. Perhaps a printing date and name of a company would yield some search results?

Did your box set go through any period of time of exposure to heat/sun? I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is, since this is a forum full of avid film fans.

I guess your dvd's could just be statistical outliers with a delayed manifestation of a physical defect, which really sucks! I hope you can at least contact the manufacturer and get replacements.

This forum has a list of contact info for dvd distributors. Don't know if that helps, but I hope you find a solution for your problem!

EDIT: The contact info is in the third post.
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post #13 of 14
5/19/10 at 10:02am
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I've had dvdrs which crap out all the time (bad storage medium, btw), but which are still able to have all the data accessed, ripped, and burned through a program like DVD Shrink onto new discs, or into straight video files, if one so desires.
I'm going to have to try this... I have a bunch of DVD-R's that I used to back up stuff 5+ years ago that give me "cyclic redundancy check" errors now. Definitely true that they are a terrible storage medium.

I know the OP's problem isn't with crappy DVD-R's, just wanted to comment on this.
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post #14 of 14
5/19/10 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by Sphere_Monk View Post
Did your box set go through any period of time of exposure to heat/sun? I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is, since this is a forum full of avid film fans.

I guess your dvd's could just be statistical outliers with a delayed manifestation of a physical defect, which really sucks! I hope you can at least contact the manufacturer and get replacements.

This forum has a list of contact info for dvd distributors. Don't know if that helps, but I hope you find a solution for your problem!

EDIT: The contact info is in the third post.
http://www2.warnerbros.com/web/main/...er_service.jsp is the link I contacted Warners through. Hopefully someone will get back to me.

As for the heat/sun thing, it's possible, I guess. I have loaned the set out a couple of times, but I find it really unlikely any of them would leave it on their dashboard or anything.

Thanks again, folks.
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