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Police Raid Wrong House and Kill Seven-Year-Old Girl

post #1 of 34
5/17/10 at 6:19pm
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cri...girl-kill.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37191818...rts/?GT1=43001
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post #2 of 34
5/17/10 at 6:51pm
The part that confuses me the most is that a camera crew from A&E's The First 48 was in the house with the cops during this raid. I watch The First 48 regularly, and I cannot remember any episodes where the camera crew actually goes inside a house with the police for a raid. This isn't COPS. They focus more on the detectives who are tracking down witnesses and suspects, culminating with the big interview at the end where they get a confession. I do remember one where they were staking out a suspect's apartment, but the camera crew remained in the car while the cops, who were wearing mics, went inside the apartment.

If I had to guess what really happened: the child was startled by the flash bomb and a bunch of strange men invading her home. She tries to run away, the cop sees something move and shoots at it.
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post #3 of 34
5/17/10 at 6:56pm
They'll fix her. They fix everything.
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post #4 of 34
5/17/10 at 7:02pm
I just want to state up front: I am against this.
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post #5 of 34
5/17/10 at 9:46pm
Collateral damage oh well she had it comin.

Glad it wasn't my daughter i'd go Samuel L Jackson with an M16 on those cops in the court house!
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post #6 of 34
5/17/10 at 10:06pm
Put ya hands up for Detroit!
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post #7 of 34
5/18/10 at 2:56am
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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 View Post
If I had to guess what really happened: the child was startled by the flash bomb and a bunch of strange men invading her home. She tries to run away, the cop sees something move and shoots at it.
If you read the article the attorney for the family states they shot through the door before even entering and that's supposed to be the shot that killed the girl.

Sounds like the cops were showing off for the cameras.
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post #8 of 34
5/18/10 at 3:12am
I thought that they apprehended the suspect at that house.

Either way, fucked up but par for the course with the DPD.
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post #9 of 34
5/18/10 at 3:28pm
Recon by fire is a military tactic and is an obviously pretty inappropriate method for a civil peace keeping force.
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post #10 of 34
5/18/10 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by Will Kane View Post
I thought that they apprehended the suspect at that house.

Either way, fucked up but par for the course with the DPD.
How is it that when discussing this case, when we use the word "suspects" we're not referring to the cops who gunned down a 7 year old?

How about the BART shooting? Where cops executed a hand cuffed teenager in cold blood and the whole thing was caught on film? Are those suspects in jail yet???
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post #11 of 34
5/19/10 at 5:29pm
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Originally Posted by Will Kane View Post
I thought that they apprehended the suspect at that house.
They did.

Guess it's never a good idea to aid and abet the wanted. It's no excuse for what happened, but when you're breaking the law you're going to have colatteral damage.

On a personal note, I'm never going to Detroit.
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post #12 of 34
5/19/10 at 10:14pm
One minute I'm laughing my ass off reading the boards, and the next I'm so depressed I have to up my meds. Jesus.
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post #13 of 34
5/19/10 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
They did.

Guess it's never a good idea to aid and abet the wanted. It's no excuse for what happened, but when you're breaking the law you're going to have colatteral damage.
A horrifying, inhuman sentiment.
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post #14 of 34
5/19/10 at 10:31pm
A text book example of the classic grab your own ankles i'm cool with the police state doing whatever they want American.
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post #15 of 34
5/19/10 at 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
A horrifying, inhuman sentiment.
I clearly said in my post this was bad from both sides of the story.

But you're supporting hiding a man wanted for murder from the police.
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post #16 of 34
5/19/10 at 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
They did.

Guess it's never a good idea to aid and abet the wanted. It's no excuse for what happened, but when you're breaking the law you're going to have colatteral damage.

On a personal note, I'm never going to Detroit.
Fuck you.
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post #17 of 34
5/19/10 at 11:50pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
I clearly said in my post this was bad from both sides of the story.

But you're supporting hiding a man wanted for murder from the police.
that's if they knew the guy was suspected of murder. I highly doubt he comes home, says "hi guys, I just killed a guy, hey, what's for dinner". There is no reason to be throwing flash bangs into homes occupied by the innocent. This is strictly a by-product of police state mentality and an increasing militarization of the police. Sickening.
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post #18 of 34
5/20/10 at 1:21am
So, we're all on the same page that Detroit is worse than Pakistan, right? I mean, aside from a Redwings game and beers with Deathsurge, maybe a little robocop sightseeing, there's absolutely no reason to go there.
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post #19 of 34
5/20/10 at 1:38am
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
I clearly said in my post this was bad from both sides of the story.

But you're supporting hiding a man wanted for murder from the police.
Whaaa...? Really? REALLY? REEEALLLY?
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post #20 of 34
5/20/10 at 4:56am
NUKEM!!! Get em before they get you!
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post #21 of 34
5/20/10 at 6:00am
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
I clearly said in my post this was bad from both sides of the story.

But you're supporting hiding a man wanted for murder from the police.
Aside from EVERYTHING ELSE that's wrong with what you're saying, I'm pretty sure a 7 year old child is not responsible for who does or doesn't come into the house. I know when I was a kid I didn't get a say in that kind of thing, did you? The person who got shot here wasn't hiding a wanted man.
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post #22 of 34
5/20/10 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
I clearly said in my post this was bad from both sides of the story.

But you're supporting hiding a man wanted for murder from the police.
And you're equivocating that with a SEVEN YEAR-OLD GIRL GETTING SHOT DEAD BY THE POLICE. You are massively unpleasant.
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post #23 of 34
5/20/10 at 11:33am
The more I looked into this, the more clear it is appearing that the police are in the wrong about this on every significant level.

The SWAT team seems to have been grandstanding for the television crew, and as someone commented earlier we can't use 'recon by fire' tactics in a civilian crime situation. If they have video of shots being fired into the house from outside, and not from inside as the SWAT team claimed....criminal charges need to be filed against those responsible.

At the very least, careers need to be ended, if not prison time doled out.

I withdraw my earlier comments.
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post #24 of 34
5/20/10 at 11:57am
Even if the scenario played out exactly as you had previously thought it to have, you do realize that using "collateral damage" to whitewash the accidental death of ANYONE (especially a child) kinda betrays a severe lack of humanity, though. If a bullet goes stray and goes through, say, my mailbox? THAT'S collateral damage. If it goes stray and goes through ME? That's manslaughter. Involuntary or otherwise.
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post #25 of 34
5/20/10 at 12:14pm
Yeah, they could have politely walked in an open door and started firing nly once they'd had a cup of coffee, and it'd still be totally fucked.
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post #26 of 34
5/20/10 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by JGButler View Post
Even if the scenario played out exactly as you had previously thought it to have, you do realize that using "collateral damage" to whitewash the accidental death of ANYONE (especially a child) kinda betrays a severe lack of humanity, though. If a bullet goes stray and goes through, say, my mailbox? THAT'S collateral damage. If it goes stray and goes through ME? That's manslaughter. Involuntary or otherwise.
From the Merriam-Webster online dictionary...

collateral damage
Function: noun
Date: 1972

: injury inflicted on something other than an intended target; specifically : civilian casualties of a military operation

This is my understanding of collateral damage.

My original understanding of the events described was that it was accidental in nature. Clearly, from simply shooting into the house as they entered, this exceeds such a simplistic description of events.
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post #27 of 34
5/20/10 at 1:05pm
I'm sorry, but unless said seven year-old was the exact same height, weight and build as the suspect, brushing this off as "accidental", under ANY circumstances, is bullshit. These guys are professionals. Well-armed and well-protected professionals at that. Whatever happened, be it firing before entry or killing this poor girl after kicking the door down, it is completely unacceptable.
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post #28 of 34
5/20/10 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
From the Merriam-Webster online dictionary...
I'm new here, but I'd guess that they're taking you to task because of the seldom explicitly expressed social more that states that, unless you're a military commander leading troops in battle, collateral damage should never be seen as acceptable (perhaps not even then). I embrace this philosophy myself.

Something else: had it been a negligent discharge instead of a recon by fire, it's still no excuse. The four weapon safety rules are designed to prevent loss of life and were burned into my memory by the time I left boot camp. I can still recite them verbatim even after all this time. Accidents happen, but with firearms, there are no excuses.

Lastly, it seems like a lot of news reports are glossing over the fact that they had the wrong apartment and barely acknowledging the fact that someone is disputing the department's claims as to how the event unfolded. What happened to investigative journalism? Did I just imagine that aspect of news reporting used to exist?
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post #29 of 34
5/20/10 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
From the Merriam-Webster online dictionary...

collateral damage
Function: noun
Date: 1972

: injury inflicted on something other than an intended target; specifically : civilian casualties of a military operation

This is my understanding of collateral damage.

My original understanding of the events described was that it was accidental in nature. Clearly, from simply shooting into the house as they entered, this exceeds such a simplistic description of events.
But...pulling out the dictionary really only serves to further my point.
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post #30 of 34
5/21/10 at 10:23am
Ignoring the amount of shots fired, something like the Sean Bell case is more debatable. There is no way to mistake a little girl as a threat, the only explanation I can see is that it was their strategy to shoot everything that moves. This is even after it was clear that children lived at this residence. Even if the police had the correct apartment and the girl was the daughter of a murder suspect, it would still be wrong.
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post #31 of 34
5/21/10 at 10:53am
Pretty sure Dr. Vivisector is Maximillian from BLACK HOLE.
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post #32 of 34
5/21/10 at 11:00am
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Pretty sure Dr. Vivisector is Maximillian from BLACK HOLE.
Am not! So there!
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post #33 of 34
5/21/10 at 11:07am
Nah, you just looooooove Mozart.
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post #34 of 34
5/22/10 at 4:23am
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Originally Posted by Sphere_Monk View Post
Lastly, it seems like a lot of news reports are glossing over the fact that they had the wrong apartment and barely acknowledging the fact that someone is disputing the department's claims as to how the event unfolded. What happened to investigative journalism? Did I just imagine that aspect of news reporting used to exist?
Well maybe you imagine a world where Banks don't get two taxpayer bailouts and are still doing the same shit gambling (Credit Default Swaps, Total Default Swaps and Derivatives trading) continue meanwhile Goldman Sachs rapes more of the Earth and hard working jobless Americans are told to shut the fuck up and swallow it.

The press is looking out for you!
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