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post #1 of 145
5/18/10 at 12:12am
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Late. Usually Nick starts this thread iirc.

But we'll need it if only to compile a list of Nick Johnson's ailments.
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post #2 of 145
5/18/10 at 12:35am
I was doing fine just trolling the Red Sox thread. I suppose this is more dignified.
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post #3 of 145
5/18/10 at 12:37am
It's not trolling if it's true.
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post #4 of 145
5/18/10 at 12:39am
I think the thing Red Sox fans have to be most embarrassed about tonight is that Javy Vazquez got the win.
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post #5 of 145
5/18/10 at 8:45am
Quite a ninth last night. Here's hoping for a complete game from CC while the pen recuperates.
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post #6 of 145
5/18/10 at 1:01pm
So Mariano R. walked in a run and gave up a Grand slam, all in the same inning! The guy is 40 and is without a doubt the greatest closer in baseball history. But he eventually has to break down, can't do it forever, could his end be near? Despite the fact that I'm an avid Yankee-hater i'll be sad to see him go, when his time comes.
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post #7 of 145
5/18/10 at 1:46pm
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He's a freak of nature. He's the little guy on the beach, you walk by and kick sand in his face. Then he slowly stands up, coolly bundles his beach towel into a ball, throws it at your head, and kills you.
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post #8 of 145
5/18/10 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by History Buff View Post
So Mariano R. walked in a run and gave up a Grand slam, all in the same inning! The guy is 40 and is without a doubt the greatest closer in baseball history. But he eventually has to break down, can't do it forever, could his end be near? Despite the fact that I'm an avid Yankee-hater i'll be sad to see him go, when his time comes.
He's not completely automatic. He's had off days here and there for the entire last decade and even had a season or two where it looked like he was winding down. But then he wasn't.

I mean, he's 40, of course the end is near. But one badly blown game isn't really indicative of it.

I've been a Yankees fan all my life, they're my favorite team in my favorite sport, but I wouldn't say I'm a crazy superfan--my attention waxes and wanes over the season, etc. My last favorite player was Mattingly when I was 10. If I'm at a game that's dragging I can get bored. I say all this because despite that, I always, always get the chills if I'm at a game and the strains of "Enter Sandman" start playing over the loudspeaker in the ninth.

It's an admittedly particular role in baseball, but in that niche he is truly Ruthian. We may never see anyone like him again.
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post #9 of 145
5/18/10 at 6:33pm
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terrific article on Yankees fixture Gene Monahan.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ly_battle.html
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post #10 of 145
5/26/10 at 10:57pm
Needed that.
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post #11 of 145
5/27/10 at 1:02pm
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Don't see pitches like this too often anymore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFvp7...ayer_embedded#!
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post #12 of 145
5/27/10 at 1:10pm
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Don't see pitches like this too often anymore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFvp7...ayer_embedded#!
El Duque threw one to Manny Ramirez a few years ago. To the best of my knowledge, the ball was never found.

ETA: Correction... it was ARod. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...27-pitch_x.htm
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post #13 of 145
7/9/10 at 12:55pm
Holy crap, Lee to Yanks almost a done deal according to ESPN. ESPN also speculating (wildly, admittedly) that they'll deal Vasquez within the next three days, possibly to Philly, possibly for Werth.
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post #14 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:01pm
Those moves would be a nice end to the mess that was the Yankees offseason, leaving only Granderson as the only major (sorry Park) offseason acquisition on the active roster (and Austin Jackson makes the Yanks regret that trade on a daily basis).

I'm still shocked Randy Winn is a regular on the Cardinals.
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post #15 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:06pm
Sabathia, Lee, Pettitte, Hughes, Burnett. Vasquez traded for a blue-chip bat.

Baltimore defensive positioning: Fetal
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post #16 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:07pm
4 All-star starters.

FOUR!
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post #17 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:09pm
aannnddd I think this is when I cease to care about MLB. Totally obscene.
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post #18 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:13pm
Haaa he's scheduled to pitch tonight against the Yanks!
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post #19 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:16pm
If these moves go down then I will be speechless...for about an hour. The Yankees truly dont fuck around. Werth would be unreal...but where do you play him? Lee is great, but I don't know if I want to give up Montero to get him considering Lee is a 3 month rental and Posada isn't getting any younger.
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post #20 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:20pm
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If these moves go down then I will be speechless...for about an hour. The Yankees truly dont fuck around. Werth would be unreal...but where do you play him? Lee is great, but I don't know if I want to give up Montero to get him considering Lee is a 3 month rental and Posada isn't getting any younger.
They will sign Lee, though. And fuck prospects. Werth gives them the ability to, you know, not play Huffman or Collins or whoever.

And in two years they can sign Javy Vasquez, pitch him for a year or a half a year, and trade him for Jimenez or Josh Johnson.
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post #21 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by bob loblaw View Post
If these moves go down then I will be speechless...for about an hour. The Yankees truly dont fuck around. Werth would be unreal...but where do you play him? Lee is great, but I don't know if I want to give up Montero to get him considering Lee is a 3 month rental and Posada isn't getting any younger.
No way they're just renting Lee. Other teams would be renting Lee before the Yankees signed him next year.
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post #22 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:25pm
I guess my point is the Yanks were going to sign Lee anyway, so why give up the farm for him? I don't think they need him to win this year.
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post #23 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:27pm
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They will sign Lee, though. And fuck prospects. Werth gives them the ability to, you know, not play Huffman or Collins or whoever.

And in two years they can sign Javy Vasquez, pitch him for a year or a half a year, and trade him for Jimenez or Josh Johnson.
Werth, Granderson, Johnson & Gardner all need to play. Im sure vs lefties Granderson will be out, but still. Best lineup ever if this happens?
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post #24 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by bob loblaw View Post
Lee is great, but I don't know if I want to give up Montero to get him considering Lee is a 3 month rental and Posada isn't getting any younger.
I guess they may feel Austin Romine is a better prospect behind the plate, but that dude's a long ways off. I too was looking forward to Montero knock the stuffing out of the ball.
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post #25 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:29pm
Bah. Go get 'em. Bye bye, highly touted catching prospect hitting .250 in the minors.

They very well might need him this year. They've reeled off 6 straight wins and haven't put any space between them and the Rays.
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post #26 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:31pm
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Werth, Granderson, Johnson & Gardner all need to play. Im sure vs lefties Granderson will be out, but still. Best lineup ever if this happens?
When you say Johnson, I'm sure you mean Swisher, right?
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post #27 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:31pm
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Werth, Granderson, Johnson & Gardner all need to play. Im sure vs lefties Granderson will be out, but still. Best lineup ever if this happens?
We'll probably never see Johnson again.
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post #28 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:32pm
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This will perhaps lighten the sting for New Yorkers not getting LeBron a bit. Maybe.
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post #29 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:35pm
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I guess my point is the Yanks were going to sign Lee anyway, so why give up the farm for him? I don't think they need him to win this year.
Why risk Boston or someone else having the chance to sign him. Plus Montero by indications is a mediocre defensive catcher and will probably be shifted to first base. It's not like they are GIVING UP AUSTIN JACKSON FOR AN OLDER MORE EXPENSIVE VERSION.
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post #30 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:36pm
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When you say Johnson, I'm sure you mean Swisher, right?
Yeah, Swisher. That didn't feel right as I was typing.
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post #31 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:38pm
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Why risk Boston or someone else having the chance to sign him. Plus Montero by indications is a mediocre defensive catcher and will probably be shifted to first base. It's not like they are GIVING UP AUSTIN JACKSON FOR AN OLDER MORE EXPENSIVE VERSION.
Mark my words. Granderson will have huge hits in big spots for the Yanks before the season is through.
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post #32 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:40pm
Melky had a bunch of huge hits for the Yankees last year, but I doubt anyone was upset to see him leave.

Let Werth or Swisher DH and make Jorge the part-time catcher, who is good for three retarded plays a playoff series.
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post #33 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:46pm
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aannnddd I think this is when I cease to care about MLB. Totally obscene.
I'm an NL guy so I'll still pay attention to this league, but yeah, this shit has gotten out of hand.

And I thought the M's were asking for 2-3 prospects and 2-3 big league ready players? It looks like the Yankees are only giving them 2 prospects. This shit is like MLB's version of Gasol to the Lakers for a sack of magic beans.
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post #34 of 145
7/9/10 at 1:53pm
Has anyone ever been traded for 2-3 prospects AND 2-3 major leaguers?

ETA: and Yankee detractors can't say shit about trades. FA signings? Okay. Bitch away. But EVERY TEAM can trade for Lee. It's not a salary dump. Step up, Minnesota. Put together a better package, Texas.
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post #35 of 145
7/9/10 at 2:03pm
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Has anyone ever been traded for 2-3 prospects AND 2-3 major leaguers?
I agree that it sounds excessive but that has been the asking price for the M's for the last month. This trade makes it seem like they are trading away a middle reliever and not one of the few elite pitchers in baseball.

And the Rangers supposedly can't get Lee because they are in bankruptcy and can't pick up his salary; God knows that they have the prospects for any deal.
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post #36 of 145
7/9/10 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Raspberry Leper View Post

ETA: and Yankee detractors can't say shit about trades. FA signings? Okay. Bitch away. But EVERY TEAM can trade for Lee. It's not a salary dump. Step up, Minnesota. Put together a better package, Texas.
Yea, that's a really stupid thing to say. You know why smaller market teams are not trading for Lee? BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO SIGN HIM AS A FREE AGENT NEXT YEAR.

Ahem..

So yea, your post makes absolutely no sense. Your acting like the Yankees aren't going to resign him during the off season.
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post #37 of 145
7/9/10 at 2:09pm
But they were maybe going to sign him anyway. So the Yankees are trading a, by all accounts, highly touted prospect and a couple mid level prospects for 3 months of Cliff Lee. They aren't getting a window to negotiate an extension.

Other teams can also trade coveted chips for three months of Lee. They either don't want to, or don't have the goods. Seattle was even open to the idea of paying some/all of his remaining salary if the other team sweetened the offer.
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post #38 of 145
7/9/10 at 2:25pm
How did the Mets fall out of the running, anyway? He could have meant the division for them.
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post #39 of 145
7/9/10 at 2:32pm
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Other teams can also trade coveted chips for three months of Lee. They either don't want to, or don't have the goods.
Yes, they don't want to exactly because it would only be 3 month rental. That is not the case with Yankees. They are going to sign him, he's not a rental for the Yankees, whereas the Twins or Rangers can't afford to blow the prospects on player for 3 months.

I'm not really sure how you're even arguing this.
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post #40 of 145
7/9/10 at 2:40pm
That is the fucking case with the Yankees. They are giving up the prospects for Lee for 3 months. Just like any other team could. If the Yankees didn't want to give up prospects now, they could wait and roll the dice in November. Him signing with NY is not a done deal. Is smart money on them right now to get him this off season? Yeah, probably, I guess. But say The Yankees trade for him, he comes here, and is miserable. Now the Yanks are out whatever they gave up for him. Same as any other team.

ETA: The only extra benefit is that they can negotiate with him, if they acquire him, now instead of waiting for November 1. So, yes, I guess that is a benefit that a team that can't afford to sign him won't take advantage of.
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post #41 of 145
7/9/10 at 5:14pm
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They are going to sign him, he's not a rental for the Yankees, whereas the Twins or Rangers can't afford to blow the prospects on player for 3 months.
That may not be the case...
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post #42 of 145
7/9/10 at 5:22pm
Yep, ESPN now reporting the talks have broken down.
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post #43 of 145
7/9/10 at 5:37pm
Seattle is hesitant because of health concerns with one of the prospects.
The kid has a sprained ankle.
It does not appear to be life threatening.
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post #44 of 145
7/9/10 at 5:37pm
Yankees are just jealous the Heat are the most hated team now. They don't even need Lee.
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post #45 of 145
7/9/10 at 6:20pm
Rangers got him.
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post #46 of 145
7/9/10 at 6:23pm
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I'm sure Lee loves that.

I guess the Rangers could afford to blow the prospects.
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post #47 of 145
7/9/10 at 6:29pm
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Put together a better package, Texas.

Ah, fuck. I didn't mean it.
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post #48 of 145
7/9/10 at 10:42pm
I was hoping you guys could have pulled it off this morning, because as a Rangers fan, I am not happy about this move and have been dreading it all season.
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post #49 of 145
7/11/10 at 2:11pm
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RIP Bob Sheppard.

Glad I got to hear him. One of the last of the old guard.
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post #50 of 145
7/13/10 at 10:33am
Jesus, what a week for the Yankees. George Steinbrenner has died of a heart attack, at age 80.
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