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post #51 of 145
RIP Boss.

He didn't always go about it the right way, but he always wanted to win.
post #52 of 145
If not for the shit he did to Dave Winfield--which is a really unfortunate stain--I wouldn't be torn at all about celebrating his legacy. Complicated guy, though. Exceedingly generous, vindictive, loyal, and petty. Baseball is certainly less interesting without him.
post #53 of 145
say what you want about the boss... but, he did give us this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3eNPO8nAE0

never gets old.
post #54 of 145
Jeter wins AS MVP tonight for George. Book it!
post #55 of 145
Sheppard was the voice and Steinbrenner the heart of the Yankees. RIP!
post #56 of 145
RIP George "The Boss" Steinbrenner. Interesting to read that he brought the Yankees for only 10 million back in '73, an amount that nowadays won't even pay for Arod's contract. Without Steinbrenner, the Yanks won't have been able to win 11 pennants and 7 WS titles, and worth billions as a franchise.
post #57 of 145
Thread Starter 
I once attended a bar mitzvah and wound up sitting at a table later on with my old man, Pat Gillick, and a bunch of other folks, a few die-hard ball fans. This was back around '85, right around the time Berra got fired and Martin rehired. A lot of folks at the table like Berra and put the knock on Steinbrenner, but Gillick really defended him, and talked about all the destitute ball players Steinbrenner had put back on their feet, the generous donations he made to charity which were anonymous, and what a charming guy he was.

Don't think we'll see another like him.

RIP George.
post #58 of 145
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Interesting to read that he brought the Yankees for only 10 million back in '73, an amount that nowadays won't even pay for Arod's contract.
ARod? You barely get Swisher for $10 million.
post #59 of 145
The best thing I can say about George Steinbrenner was that he was the only owner in sports who cared more about his team than making money off of it.
post #60 of 145
Thread Starter 
That's no small thing.
post #61 of 145
Didn't this guy create a watergate slush fund for Richard Nixon and get convicted and then pardoned?

He ruined baseball.
post #62 of 145
Does ownership of the team pass on to his children or what? They've been eulogizing him on ESPN all day long, but I haven't heard anyone answer this yet.
post #63 of 145
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Didn't this guy create a watergate slush fund for Richard Nixon and get convicted and then pardoned?
Yes.

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He ruined baseball.
Yay, erroneous hyperbole!
post #64 of 145
Fuck George Steinbrenner in the butt.

-This guy ruined baseball when he paid 3.4 million for Catfish Miller in 74.
-Its his fault that we don't have a salary cap
-He got 4 championships by overlooking (and encouraging) the steroid habits of his players 1996-2000
-He was a fascist who forced his players to shave beards and sideburns
-Does anyone remember that he was banned from baseball in 1990 for cheating?
post #65 of 145
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Does ownership of the team pass on to his children or what? They've been eulogizing him on ESPN all day long, but I haven't heard anyone answer this yet.
They've been officially running the team for a couple of years now.

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-Does anyone remember that he was banned from baseball in 1990 for cheating?
.....No?

I remember him being banned for digging up dirt on Dave Winfield, though.
post #66 of 145
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Fuck George Steinbrenner in the butt.

-Its his fault that we don't have a salary cap
You're a Phillies fan. They're number four on the list of highest team salaries. They've benefited almost as much as the Yankees have.
post #67 of 145
Thread Starter 
RIP Ralph Houk. Rough month for the Yankee old-timers. Good man by all accounts.
post #68 of 145
Geez. He deserves season-long recognition too but they're running out of uniform real estate.
post #69 of 145
And Berra in the hospital after falling down, someone check on Whitey Ford.
post #70 of 145
So Burnett is gonna try and pitch through his stigmata tonight? This will get ugly.
post #71 of 145
Thread Starter 
Good time to have HDTV.
post #72 of 145
A punctured hand could really put some movement on a change-up, let me tell you.
post #73 of 145
As long as he can still deliver those crucial pies to the face for the player of the game interviews we will be fine.
post #74 of 145
How interested are you guys in ARod hitting #600? Is it a big deal? As much as I can't stand the guy, I wish things were different as I love monumental achievements like this.
post #75 of 145
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How interested are you guys in ARod hitting #600? Is it a big deal? As much as I can't stand the guy, I wish things were different as I love monumental achievements like this.
Unfortunately it's still kind of tainted by his PED admission, and even though he's less of a raging asshole than Bonds (which says a lot about Bonds) and his steroid sins aren't as great, it's almost more disappointing because he was the best hope of a "clean" player owning the record.

Which is a shame because I'm sure he'd at or near these career numbers anyway.

I don't hate him, though, and never did. Selfishly, it'd be nice for a Yankee to own the all-time HR record, and maybe the stain will only be a minor "smudge" by the time he gets there, if he ever does.
post #76 of 145
If the Yanks somehow end up with Danny Haren, I believe we all owe Sergio Mitre a big thank you.
post #77 of 145
Thread Starter 
Good piece on Joba and his possible future. On the whole I agree with the writer.

http://riveraveblues.com/2010/07/job...-future-32760/
post #78 of 145
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Good piece on Joba and his possible future. On the whole I agree with the writer.

http://riveraveblues.com/2010/07/job...-future-32760/
The biggest culprit in Joba's demise these last couple of years has been the Yank's front office. They should always have kept Joba as a reliever, the heir apparent to Rivera. I just hope they haven't totally fucked his career.
post #79 of 145
Thread Starter 
I love that the Indians gave the Yankees $2 mil along with Kerry Wood. Doesn't happen often.
post #80 of 145
I hate when Girardi tries to get cute. You are playing the rubber game in a series vs. the second best team in the league and you decide its a good time to give Arod and Gardner the day off and play all the new guys, including Wood, who just got pulled in the 8th inning with the bases loaded. If you wanted to rest AROD and get Kearns in the game, why not tomorrow? Just roll out your best team for Tampa, mmkay.
post #81 of 145
It doesn't matter, bob. As the two best teams in baseball, it seems like the Rays and Yanks have a gentlemen's agreement to either split each series or swap series wins between home and home. The Sox are nipping at the heels, barely, but each team can coast to the playoffs at this point.
post #82 of 145
Going to the game tomorrow. Hoping to witness A-Rod hit his 600th home run!
post #83 of 145
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Going to the game tomorrow. Hoping to witness A-Rod hit his 600th home run!
Well, you didn't witness #600 but you did see some history. Six doubles in one inning by the Jays ties an American League record. Congrats!
post #84 of 145
Also, AJ Burnett is now my most hated Yankee ever (at least for this week). He actually leads all of baseball in one category: He has given up 6 or more earned runs in 7 starts this year.
post #85 of 145
Yeah, it was a miserable game to watch. AJ shit the bed. ARod shit the bed. The only person having a good night was my man Swisher with two home runs.

The only game that I witnessed live worse than this was two years ago(?) when the METS crumbled dramatically at the end of the season. They gave up 8 runs in the first inning and several more throughout the game. I had box seats from my aunt's company and it was wasted on such dreck. All the METS fans turned on their team. It's saying something when even your own fans are booing you.
post #86 of 145
Kerry Wood looks emaciated sans facial hair. Also, I am hoping the player to be named later in the Berkman deal is Lance Berkman.
post #87 of 145
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Kerry Wood looks emaciated sans facial hair. Also, I am hoping the player to be named later in the Berkman deal is Lance Berkman.
LOL, I had the same thought about Wood.

I think Berkman will hit once he gets comfy. Of course I keep saying the same thing about Granderson so what the hell do I know.
post #88 of 145
Thank Christ that's over. I was sick of hearing about it days ago.
post #89 of 145
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/m...ory?id=5445085

Is it possible that Lance Berkman is actually a mole planted by John Henry to derail the Yankee season?
post #90 of 145
Dear Mark Teixeira,
Congratulations on the birth of your child! As I understand it, this is your third, correct? That's wonderful. Sounds like mommy and baby are doing fine, and there were absolutely no problems or complications whatsoever. Now, you are the biological father, right? Your wife's pregnancy was the result of you and her knowingly having unprotected sex and not, God forbid, rape or anything, yes? One thing led to another on a cold November evening and shortly thereafter your bride found herself with child. And here we are nine months later. Mazel Tov! You really seem to be in a good place in your life. You are a successful athlete and part of a storied organization, an organization that has been at or near the top for almost 15 years. Playing important games in August annually since, oh, 1995 or so, like clockwork. Year in and year out, your current team finds themselves in the thick of the pennant race. A dogfight where every game matters. This year is a perfect example. Best record in the league, yet a scant 1.5 game lead over the second place club. Why, this very evening your team is locked in a battle with another really good team. Another first place team. On the road. It is very possible that, after this two game series, you could find yourself out of first place.
Anyway, like I said, congratulations on having another kid. Don't worry about your teammates and the organization. They'll just stick Lance Berkman in your spot on the field and bat Marcus Thames third. They'll, you know, figure something out. Or whatever. As for us fans, we'll just hope your wife never gets horny in January.

P.S. Did you know CC Sabathia just had a kid? Yeah.
post #91 of 145
Bravo, Leper, bravo!

Something always bugged me about Tex, even when he played for the Braves. He is one of the scant few, IMO, who really seem to be out on the field strictly for the paycheck. He isn't nearly on a JD Drew level of disinterest but his lack of any kind of passion for the game always bugged me.

Of course its also possible that I don't know what I'm talking about.
post #92 of 145
Thread Starter 
I read the new biography on Thurman Munson - it's very good. One of the best baseball biographies out there, without hyperbole, certainly one of the best Yankees biographies. Part of it has to do with the subject - Appel was pretty well acquainted with Munson and while admirably he doesn't pull punches when it comes to dealing with Thurman's grumpy side, nor does he fail to show his admiration for the person. I'll tell you, reading about Thurman's father, I'm surprised Thurman didn't have a more bristly personality than he did.

Especially tough to read is Appel's thorough coverage of the terrible crash, covered in more detail here than I've ever seen before. The two surviving passengers who tried and failed to save Thurman didn't speak to each other for 25 years after the crash, apparently.

Highly recommended.
post #93 of 145
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=197507290NYA

Interesting note - Thurman Munsun went 1-4 with 2 RBI and a run scored on the 29th of July, 1975 in a 4-2 Yankee win.

The day his third child was born.

He also singled home the go ahead run the next day in a 2-1 win.

Just sayin'.
post #94 of 145
All made worse by the fact that Teixeira is really the only one hitting at the moment.

Granderson has been a crushing disappointment. I thought we were looking at a 30/30 from him this year. The Yanks lineup is suddenly looking far from great...and very old. Posada, Jeter, Arod and Granderson need to get their act together ASAP.
post #95 of 145
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Dear Mark Teixeira,...every game matters....
100% endorsement. Bravo, sir.
post #96 of 145
Best win of the season last night for the Yanks.
post #97 of 145
Can we officially say that Posada has entered the Varitek zone? I don't know if I can take another two years of what I saw last night from him. Considering two of the Yankees' top prospects are catchers and Cervelli is already on the team the only reason Posada would be catching past this year is loyalty.
post #98 of 145
Holy Christmas, that was an awesome game. I couldn't sit down for the final inning.

Leadoff triple and Mo still shuts it down.

And I concur with the Posada remarks. Girardi has got to be thinking the same.
post #99 of 145
They'd be better off with Jim Abbott behind the plate at this point. Those Red Sox v. Yankee games shouldn't even include a first base, what with everyone just stealing second anyway.

Fuckin' Mo. He was all like "Man on third no out and Young, Hamilton and Vlad up? Okay, no problem."

Also - can anyone pinpoint exactly when it was that Jeter became, you know, not too fast? That double play he hit into on Tuesday late in the game was pretty telling. Both the second baseman and the shortstop kinda double clutched as they threw the ball and Jeter was still out at first. I have no doubt he was busting his ass going down the line, so the fact they were still able to double him up was weird to see.
post #100 of 145
Jeter is getting old. I love the guy, probably my second favorite Yankee ever after Mattingly. But my fear is that he will be given a 5 yr/100 million extension when he is essentially a .275 -.300 hitter capable of about 15 HRs and 15 steals. He may not even have a position in a couple of years. Can you see him playing SS at 38 or 39? What happens if he starts breaking down...where do you put him?
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