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Shia LaBeouf: We botched the last Indiana Jones

post #1 of 73
5/18/10 at 7:46pm
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The last time Shia LaBeouf came to Cannes, in 2008, it was to promote "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," the revival of the swashbuckling adventure franchise that went on to earn a whopping $787 million around the world. LaBeouf is back on the Croisette this weekend to flog "Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps," another revival of a classic from several decades ago. But he's not willing to forget about what he says were rampant problems with Indy 4 -- and he doesn't expect fans to, either.

"I feel like I dropped the ball on the legacy that people loved and cherished," LaBeouf said, explaining that this upped the ante for him before he began shooting the "Wall Street" sequel. "If I was going to do it twice, my career was over. So this was fight-or-flight for me."

Meeting with reporters Saturday on a terrace at the Hotel du Cap, he had some strong, confessional words about his acting in the film, which he said he felt didn't convince anyone that he was the action hero the movie claimed him to be. "You get to monkey-swinging and things like that and you can blame it on the writer and you can blame it on Steven [Spielberg, who directed]. But the actor's job is to make it come alive and make it work, and I couldn't do it. So that's my fault. Simple.

LaBeouf said that he could have kept quiet, especially given the movie's blockbuster status, but didn't think the film had fooled anyone. "I think the audience is pretty intelligent. I think they know when you've made ... . And I think if you don't acknowledge it, then why do they trust you the next time you're promoting a movie." LaBeouf went on to say he wasn't the only star on the film who felt that way. "We [Harrison Ford and LaBeouf] had major discussions. He wasn't happy with it either. Look, the movie could have been updated. There was a reason it wasn't universally accepted."

LaBeouf added, "We need to be able to satiate the appetite," he said. "I think we just misinterpreted what we were trying to satiate."

Asked whether this was difficult to say, given his deep relationship with Spielberg, LaBeouf continued with the directness.

"I'll probably get a call. But he needs to hear this. I love him. I love Steven. I have a relationship with Steven that supersedes our business work. And believe me, I talk to him often enough to know that I'm not out of line. And I would never disrespect the man. I think he's a genius, and he's given me my whole life. He's done so much great work that there's no need for him to feel vulnerable about one film. But when you drop the ball you drop the ball."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movi...spielberg.html
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post #2 of 73
5/18/10 at 7:54pm
This is just unprofessional. Shia also blasted Transformers 2, but still needs to apologize for the first Transformers and Eagle Eye while he's perched high on his horse.
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post #3 of 73
5/18/10 at 7:58pm
Opening of Indy V:

Sallah: Indy! How is you son?
Indy: Dead. From Anal Cancer.
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post #4 of 73
5/18/10 at 8:03pm


Yeah, bridges being torched..
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post #5 of 73
5/18/10 at 8:06pm
he must be stopped
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post #6 of 73
5/18/10 at 8:13pm
I can't wait for his thoughts on Russell Crowe's Irish-sounding accent in "Robin Hood."
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post #7 of 73
5/18/10 at 8:18pm
Not a smart business move, but as a fan of film I appreciate the candor.
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post #8 of 73
5/18/10 at 8:37pm
He claims that he said this so that people would be able to trust him when promoting a movie. This makes no sense. If anything, wouldn't this make people trust him less? I understand the business of Hollywood. You have to do a media blitzkrieg for a film regardless of the film's quality, but if people know that you have a track record of hyping a movie to be great and then bashing the product after you've taken their money, they're going to think twice before seeing any of your shit.
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post #9 of 73
5/18/10 at 8:54pm
Must have already been some falling out between him and the Beard to now publicly make these remarks.
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post #10 of 73
5/18/10 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post
Must have already been some falling out between him and the Beard to now publicly make these remarks.
Or he could be a retard with daddy issues who does shit like get drunk and break his hand almost immediately prior to the commencement of production of a major Hollywood blockbuster. Either/or.
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post #11 of 73
5/18/10 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 View Post
He claims that he said this so that people would be able to trust him when promoting a movie. This makes no sense. If anything, wouldn't this make people trust him less? I understand the business of Hollywood. You have to do a media blitzkrieg for a film regardless of the film's quality, but if people know that you have a track record of hyping a movie to be great and then bashing the product after you've taken their money, they're going to think twice before seeing any of your shit.
Yeah, this is a reverse "Cosby and Leonard Part 6" kind of thing.
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post #12 of 73
5/18/10 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
Or he could be a retard with daddy issues who does shit like get drunk and break his hand almost immediately prior to the commencement of production of a major Hollywood blockbuster. Either/or.
Always had a suspicion the Beard got him out of that one. As I recall, wasn't he driving drunk and hit another car. Yet the other guy got in trouble?
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post #13 of 73
5/18/10 at 9:09pm
No I think the other guy was drunk and caused the accident.
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post #14 of 73
5/18/10 at 9:13pm
Apology rejected.
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post #15 of 73
5/18/10 at 11:35pm
So hang on, if actors blow smoke up our arse that's fine and we expect them to be phony, and now we're shitting on a guy who's actually attempting to drop the bullshit and try to get a little honest about his career?

I'm not a fan of LeBouf either guys, but I certainly respect him a little more for this.
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post #16 of 73
5/18/10 at 11:40pm
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So hang on, if actors blow smoke up our arse that's fine and we expect them to be phony, and now we're shitting on a guy who's actually attempting to drop the bullshit and try to get a little honest about his career?

I'm not a fan of LeBouf either guys, but I certainly respect him a little more for this.
He's trying to drum up attention for a current movie he's working on, by doing something unprofessional and a little distasteful. No respect granted, sir.
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post #17 of 73
5/18/10 at 11:55pm
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So hang on, if actors blow smoke up our arse that's fine and we expect them to be phony, and now we're shitting on a guy who's actually attempting to drop the bullshit and try to get a little honest about his career?

I'm not a fan of LeBouf either guys, but I certainly respect him a little more for this.

Respect him for throwing the people he works with under the bus?

It's one thing if he would just come out and critique himself, but when he starts dropping names and bringing other people under the gun, that's just unprofessional.
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post #18 of 73
5/19/10 at 12:23am
I highly...Disagree with Shia Lebouf's statements about...Indiana Jones IV, and Transformers Revenge Of The Fallen, as they both are exceptional films that do not need to be apolgized for.
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post #19 of 73
5/19/10 at 12:48am
On one hand, it helps that he can at least admit when he fucked up as an actor. Not a lot of young actors are willing to do that. But I agree that when he starts going after the movie itself, that's kind of bad, to put it mildly.

That said, he's not saying anything here that we weren't all saying when the movie came out two years ago.
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post #20 of 73
5/19/10 at 12:50am
He should start early and bash Transformers 3 now.
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post #21 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:05am
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Must have already been some falling out between him and the Beard to now publicly make these remarks.
You're reaching. This was just a misguided attempt to honestly critique his recent high profile failures. I found it refreshing.

That said he should have thrown in an apology for Holes.
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post #22 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:12am
It says something about how protected the guy is or thinks he is. How many actors have ever, during the decades of Spielberg's career, once were quoted that Spielberg did wrong or made a bad film? I'm not praising or condemning the guy, but few in his biz have that level of security to shoot their mouth off like that.
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post #23 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:14am
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It says something about how protected the guy is or thinks he is. How many actors have ever, during the decades of Spielberg's career, once were quoted that Spielberg did wrong or made a bad film? I'm not praising or condemning the guy, but few in his biz have that level of security to shoot their mouth off like that.
Only Crispin Glover's "poetry".
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post #24 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:15am
It's not security, it's not understanding that the most powerful man in showbiz is being nice to you because you're an asset currently of use to him, not because he's a surrogate father. He's in for a deservedly rude awakening.
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post #25 of 73
5/19/10 at 4:56am
Yeah, it's going to help drum up publicity, but is this that much different to Spielberg shitting on Temple Of Doom?
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post #26 of 73
5/19/10 at 4:59am
This was a great move for him. His days as Spielberg's golden boy are over. He's getting too old, he doesn't have that cute look anymore. He needs to cross over to new movies. But he (or his people) know that his image will follow him around, so he needs to publicly cut his ties to that image. Throwing CRYSTAL SKULL under the bus is no big deal - even Spielberg doesn't like it. He calls it George's movie.
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post #27 of 73
5/19/10 at 5:00am
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Yeah, it's going to help drum up publicity, but is this that much different to Spielberg shitting on Temple Of Doom?
I don't recall Spielberg dropping any name other than his own when apologizing for TOD. That would be the difference here, and a big one, if I am remembering correctly.
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post #28 of 73
5/19/10 at 5:09am
Devin is correct and Crystal Skull is not sacred ground. Wall Street 2 will be pretty important for Shia lets see how that plays out.
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post #29 of 73
5/19/10 at 5:13am
What does the quality of the movie have to do with the issue of treating people like crap?
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post #30 of 73
5/19/10 at 5:21am
Point taken. I was just bouncing off Dev's post.
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post #31 of 73
5/19/10 at 5:41am
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So hang on, if actors blow smoke up our arse that's fine and we expect them to be phony, and now we're shitting on a guy who's actually attempting to drop the bullshit and try to get a little honest about his career?

I'm not a fan of LeBouf either guys, but I certainly respect him a little more for this.
Have to agree with The Rain Dog, if the article had Shia praising KotCS we'd be tearing his head off. It's refreshing to hear an actor talk like that. He takes responsibility for the monkey swinging, which to be honest, he doesn't need to.

I've never understood the LeBeouf hate. I may be sticking my neck out here, but I thought he was the best thing in KotCS, he was certainly putting the most effort in.
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post #32 of 73
5/19/10 at 5:46am
What exactly is unprofessional about being honest? The film's not great and I'm sure if you asked Spielberg he'd say the same thing. It's better than pretending they didn't fuck it up.
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post #33 of 73
5/19/10 at 6:04am
I can't see Spielberg publically admitting Indy 4 was awful. Unless they make another one.
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post #34 of 73
5/19/10 at 6:29am
Even though Devin is right about why he's saying that now, I have to ask. Why is admitting your painfully obvious mistakes unprofessional? Accepting responsibility for sub-par performance is quite professional. He wasn't gossiping or making snide remarks about other peoples' character. He just said that they weren't able to make the movie work as it should.
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post #35 of 73
5/19/10 at 6:32am
So, next time he'll repeat this? "Oh, that movie I advertised eight months ago? Sorry, wasn't good. And those involved know."

If he truly thought so during the promotion of Indy he simply shouldn't have said that it's awesome. Actors who don't want to lie mostly fall back on saying how much fun they had shooting. See Morgan Freeman. He says he loves to work with Nolan and Bale, but I don't remember him ever saying Batman Begins itself was great (in fact he said that it sucked). Actors may be contracted to promote and not disturb a flicks campaign, but that doesn't include false statements. Actors shouldn't "act" in promotional interviews.
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post #36 of 73
5/19/10 at 6:48am
Ironically, Shia was one of Crystal Skull's few bright spots! If anything worked in TF2, it was residu goodwill from the first one concerning Sam's relationship with Bee and Prime.
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post #37 of 73
5/19/10 at 8:01am
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If he truly thought so during the promotion of Indy he simply shouldn't have said that it's awesome.
Where does he claim that he knew it sucked from the get-go? I'm pretty sure they thought they'd pulled it off until the finished product hit.
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post #38 of 73
5/19/10 at 8:29am
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So, next time he'll repeat this? "Oh, that movie I advertised eight months ago? Sorry, wasn't good. And those involved know."

If he truly thought so during the promotion of Indy he simply shouldn't have said that it's awesome. Actors who don't want to lie mostly fall back on saying how much fun they had shooting. See Morgan Freeman. He says he loves to work with Nolan and Bale, but I don't remember him ever saying Batman Begins itself was great (in fact he said that it sucked). Actors may be contracted to promote and not disturb a flicks campaign, but that doesn't include false statements. Actors shouldn't "act" in promotional interviews.

True, but I think in the heat of the release a lot of actors and filmmakers kind of don't want to think of their baby as the antichrist and their experience of production adding up to naught. Then when it's done and dusted and the public/critical response comes in they admit to themselves, and everyone else, that it was indeed another brick in the wall of cinema's rape dungeon.

But no doubt there are plenty on the BS train and it's fun to read the odd sort of qualified praise Michael Bay gets from his co-workers. I think there's actually some level of pride in having survived one of his productions so a lot of bad shit gets forgiven.

I caught Disturbia a few months ago and Shia was actually pretty good. Devin's probably right in that he's ready to move on from that charming, overly-energetic teen thing now though.

Cheers
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post #39 of 73
5/19/10 at 8:38am
I don't think he said anything out of line at all. I appreciate the honesty. At least he's saying something worth hearing while he's promoting his new film. Many of you are totally overreacting. Its folks like you that get us boring bullshit interviews all the time because everyone is afraid of the reaction they might get if they say something honest. Grow up.
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post #40 of 73
5/19/10 at 9:29am
I've never cared much for Shia, but this level of candor takes a lot of guts. If the motive was indeed to distance himself from his image and the subpar films he's appeared in thus far, then his strategy is certainly working it's magic on me.
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post #41 of 73
5/19/10 at 10:06am
Also, are we forgetting George Clooney offering to give anyone who can prove they saw Batman & Robin their money back? Or Michael Caine saying that he did Jaws IV for the money? Kevin Smith has made a nice second career talking trash about other people's movies and the people he's worked with, from Reese WItherspoon to Linda Fiorentino. There are commentaries for certain movies that are basically extended apologies. How is this different? Because it's Spielberg?
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post #42 of 73
5/19/10 at 10:15am
When did Morgan Freeman say Batman Begins sucks? I don't ever recall that, he only seems to have good things to say about the franchise.

As for Shia doing this - who cares? I don't think Indy IV is something that Spielberg is going to be heartbroken about or even cares that much about. Plus, as someone who doesn't know these people personally - I like reading their candid thoughts as oppossed to repeating statements invented by marketing.
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post #43 of 73
5/19/10 at 12:14pm
But he needs to hear this. I love him. I love Steven. I have a relationship with Steven that supersedes our business work. And believe me, I talk to him often enough to know that I'm not out of line. And I would never disrespect the man. I think he's a genius, and he's given me my whole life. He's done so much great work that there's no need for him to feel vulnerable about one film. But when you drop the ball you drop the ball."

Heh I think that relationship is about to undergo a major downturn.

Thing is, he's not saying anything everybody in the world didn't know.

And if I'm a Studio head I might look at the Box Office for Shia's films, shrug and think "as long as he keeps his fucking mouth shut for a couple of years after the film's release, I'm cool with it"
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post #44 of 73
5/19/10 at 12:47pm
I love it when actors become honest when a movie sucks ass. Ben Affleck dissing Gigli on SNL, Actors who come and receive their razzies, LLCoolJ admiting to lying on Conan Obrien's show about how Roller Balls "quality", and other examples.

Is it the fact that you guys just don't like Shia (who is an overexposed mediocre talent)? I don't recall this much hate when Mathew Goode said Leap Year wasn't his best movie.
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post #45 of 73
5/19/10 at 12:51pm
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How is this different? Because it's Spielberg?
Because it's Shia. He doesn't have the oeuvre of Clooney or Michael Caine or even Kevin fucking Smith. And because he was doing it to promote a movie that, by all accounts, is not only not good but an unnecessary sequel just like the movies he is bashing.

I think he's a talented guy and was definitely was a huge part of what made Transformers enjoyable for me, but this rubs me the wrong way.
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post #46 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:03pm
Is there a DOUBLE STANDARD when it comes to shitty movies that bomb (gigli, cat woman) versus shitty movies that make money (Adam Sandler movies, Transformers, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull)?
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post #47 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:08pm
Again, why does the quality of the film make any difference?

It's common courtesy to not drop names and throw coworkers under the bus, in any form of business. Hell, it's just good form in all walks of life.

Why are we discussing the film's quality?
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post #48 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:13pm
Certain actors/directors get credit from the entertainment industry as well as fans when they dismiss the quality of shit movies that bomb while others get their careers sidetracked...

For Instance, everybody in the Industry loved when Sandra Bullock, Tom Green, Paul Verhoven, and Halle Berry picked up their Razzies in person. Picking up your Razzie is an admission that the movie sucked. Was it because they "won" the specific awards for their acting/directing and not accepting on behalf on one of their coworkers?

Ben Affleck got kudos for doing a parody of the filming of Gigli on Saturday Night Live 5 years ago.

Is it tone, or was it because they were not "throwing their coworkers under the bus" as you said Agent Z?
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post #49 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:18pm
I'm not sure where he's throwing anyone under a bus, really. He seems to take the weight of responsibility for it.

Patrick, where did you hear the negative press about MONEY NEVER SLEEPS?
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post #50 of 73
5/19/10 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Rourkefan View Post
Certain actors/directors get credit from the entertainment industry as well as fans when they dis the quality of shit movies that bomb while others get their careers sidetracked...

For Instance, everybody in the Industry loved when Sandra Bullock, Tom Green, Paul Verhoven, and Halle Berry picked up their Razzies in person. Picking up your Razzie is an admission that the movie sucked. Was it because they "won" the specific awards for their acting/directing and not accepting on behalf on one of their coworkers?

Ben Affleck got kudos for doing a parody of the filming of Gigli on Saturday Night Live 5 years ago.

Is it tone, or was it because they were not "throwing their coworkers under the bus" as you said Agent Z?
Regardless of whether or not said stars benefit from going that route, I just think it's bad form.

I'm old school, I guess. If a coworker comes to me and blows off some steam about the workplace, it stays there, in that conversation. I don't go and then kill that confidentiality later on down the line.

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I'm not sure where he's throwing anyone under a bus, really. He seems to take the weight of responsibility for it.
Well, he brings up Harrison in the interview. So, how is that fair to Ford, who now has to have that spotlight on him for something he told Shia in confidence?


It's funny. When this happens in sports, fans are all up in arms about it. However, when we are discussing movies, it seems to be cool and rebel, even though it is still a team concept. Strange.
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