Originally Posted by Ryan S~
Or are you suggesting that because we have no way of proving loss of income there's no foul? That's what I'm not understanding. There's no proof of loss of income to a writer being plagiarized yet no one here would dare suggest that plagiarism is fine.
I've just done a fairly thorough bit of research into authorship and intellectual property, in general, which happens to cover (at least in a loose sense) both illegal downloading and plagiarism.
The super, super, super high-level version of it - cultural notions of authorship are socially constructed, our present take on authorship is based on a bunch of Romantic era bullshit that printers were able to exploit to their advantage in the 19th century as the reach of copyright was expanded, and what constitutes plagiarism, regardless of what may seem intuitive to you, is HIGHLY subjective. If you care to delve deeper on the plagiarism issue, this
isn't a bad place to start.
Anyway, that's neither here nor there, but I thought it was interesting you brought up plagiarism, because it's a far better analogy than stealing TVs.
Originally Posted by JonStrickland
But I also think it's possible that the movie industry elevates the problem of piracy beyond its actual impact. Again, I don't know that for sure -- it could be that the industry underestimates the actual impact. I just think anyone claiming to know the truth is either delusional or lying.
I did manage to find a study conducted in 2007:
De Vany, A.S. & Walls, W.D. (2007). Estimating the Effects of Movie Piracy on Box-office Revenue. Review of Industrial Organization, 30(4), 291-301.
If anyone has access to that journal via an academic connection, you might want to take a look at that issue since it seems to be all about the film industry. Anyway, De Vany & Walls found that box office revenue losses were probably about $40 million, substantially less than the $3 billion claimed by the MPAA. Still a lot of money (and De Vany & Walls do admit to certain unmeasurables playing a part), but if we're letting the MPAA's claims lead the discussion in terms of legality, I'd say there's a problem.
But I know - it's all bad, and pirates should probably be gutted and skullfucked if but one dollar is lost.
Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny
I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that piracy could very well lead to ASS: THE MOVIE. Because why take the risk on new talent when no one pays to see it anyway?
You could make virtually the same argument about the video rental business. This cheaper alternative to buying a ticket to see a movie or buying a movie on DVD must certainly result in economic losses that could lead to ASS: THE MOVIE. Because obviously if someone likes a movie enough to rent it, he would have bought it otherwise. Obviously.