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Hey, let's marry the prudent shrewdness of Wall Street with the practical sensibilities of Hollywood!

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What Keiser created along with Michael Burns in 1996 was the Hollywood Stock Exchange, a virtual technology where over 350,000 registered players traded shares of movies and celebrities using fake dollars. If Congress approves the idea, real trading should go live on exchange as soon as June 28—with real money.
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Hollywood is completely opaque about its finances and has a horrible track record of success. So lumpy and random are its successes that when studios invite investors to fund a slate of films, investors usually don’t get to choose which specific films they’ll put their money into. It’s all or nothing, because Hollywood needs the money to pay for the dogs as well as the swans.
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Swagger counters that while there are a lot of potential insiders who could leak damning information about movies, they only have the power of gossip. “They know what happens on the set, but not what the box office would be,” he said. The derivatives contracts would start trading only four weeks before a movie’s release, meaning that the movie would be well past the production stage and all the gossip from the set would have leaked already. There is not a lot of key information that can change a movie’s box office four weeks out, he argued.
Jesus Christ
post #2 of 14
this is, literally, just legalized gambling. I think it's asinine. My understanding is that Hollywood doesn't even want it. With that said, I would totally trade this market.
post #3 of 14
I can't wait to work in a Boiler room mass calling people to go see Prince of Persia.
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I've been playing HSX for years, and I've accumulated a 300 million dollar 'fortune' in the game. That being said, I'd never put a dollar down on this new system. It's too easily 'gamed' by insiders.
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There is not a lot of key information that can change a movie’s box office four weeks out, he argued.
Reviews? Word of mouth?
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Reviews? Word of mouth?
Exactly.

In HSX, I've seen stock plummut twenty percent and more in the last two weeks before release. That's a lot of real money getting flushed, especially since this has derivatives where you can bet against the success of a movie.

I wonder how many "Springtime For Hitler" scenarios will see, with movies being made to intentionally bomb to scoop up some of that derivative money?

Now, when Fox blows the release of an X Men movie, will it be intentional in order to make bank on the market?
post #7 of 14
I had an account of HSX a million years ago and I must say I did pretty well. But this is ill advised. I'd short it.
post #8 of 14
Its another form of Derivatives trading. Its 2010 people time to tell big money and offshore banks to go fuck themselves already.
post #9 of 14
I love CHUD, but whenever they advocate a movie I'd sell sell sell.
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I love CHUD, but whenever they advocate a movie I'd sell sell sell.
But what if everyone's buying?
post #11 of 14
So tell me why THIS is ok, but yet I can't go down to Atlantic City and bet on most professional sports?
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I love CHUD, but whenever they advocate a movie I'd sell sell sell.
Sad but true. Kick-Ass was but one of a long streak of miscalls on money makers and success stories.

What were some of the others? I'm certainly wary of the Scott Pilgrim flick...
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
Sad but true. Kick-Ass was but one of a long streak of miscalls on money makers and success stories.

What were some of the others? I'm certainly wary of the Scott Pilgrim flick...
The Dark Knight is one I distinctly remember whose box office and success was continually downplayed by a few individuals at Chud. Even after it was showing to have legs and becoming a phenomena there was still this wet blanket attitude about it "Well...it can't play for THAT much longer".
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Originally Posted by Dr Vivisector View Post
Sad but true. Kick-Ass was but one of a long streak of miscalls on money makers and success stories.

What were some of the others? I'm certainly wary of the Scott Pilgrim flick...
Any Broken Lizard film.
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