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post #51 of 101
5/27/10 at 12:39pm
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But my MacPro has super easy access for adding more RAM, drives, etc. You more or less just slide out a drawer and click it in.
Yup. I installed and configured a 3TB RAID in my MacPro in a matter of roughly 3 minutes.
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post #52 of 101
5/27/10 at 12:39pm
Enjoy your porn while you can joeypants. Judging from a few comments supreme overlord Jobs made recently he probably feels porn doesn't befit an Apple user. And you know what happens when Jobs feels that something devalues the Apple Experience.
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post #53 of 101
5/27/10 at 12:47pm
He recently told a company who had been developing software for the iphone for years to get over it when they complained about some changes to the process. Man of the people indeed.
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post #54 of 101
5/27/10 at 1:44pm
Oh, from everything I read, Jobs is a raging asshole. I love the products (some of them) in spite of the man.
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post #55 of 101
5/27/10 at 2:07pm
Scratch what I said about the Google poaching WebOS design guy rumor. It's official. The guy who helped design the best mobile UI in existence today is now the "User Experience Director" for Android.

Nice one, Google.
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post #56 of 101
5/27/10 at 2:12pm
Google seems absolutely determined to go after Apple. And Android appears to be their battering ram. This newfangled rivalry between them will certainly make for an awesome book a few years down the line.
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post #57 of 101
5/27/10 at 11:23pm
^Ugh two Asshole Titans warring with each other.

I'd just like to point out that Microsoft:

<Had a Tablet PC 5 years+ before the iPad

<Had a Touch Screen PC 5+ years before Apple

<Had an initiate to make the Windows OS the "Entertainment Center" of the home's living room in 1999-2000

<Used to be even if not dominate the Smart Phone OS market.

^The amount of technology initiatives they foresaw, tried to take advantages of, and totally fucked up is staggering. You have to go back to Xerox Labs to find something similar.
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post #58 of 101
5/27/10 at 11:27pm
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
^Ugh two Asshole Titans warring with each other.

I'd just like to point out that Microsoft:

<Had a Tablet PC 5 years+ before the iPad

<Had a Touch Screen PC 5+ years before Apple

<Had an initiate to make the Windows OS the "Entertainment Center" of the home's living room in 1999-2000

<Used to be even if not dominate the Smart Phone OS market.

^The amount of technology initiatives they foresaw, tried to take advantages of, and totally fucked up is staggering. You have to go back to Xerox Labs to find something similar.
Did their touch screen totally suck? Because the iPod Touch is the best touch screen I've ever used

Windows OS was the entertainment center of the home living room? OK, I don't remember that but whatever. As for "foreseeing tech but fucking it up", same thing has happened to Apple too. Neuton ETC
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post #59 of 101
5/27/10 at 11:56pm
Microsoft also had a fascism way before Apple.
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post #60 of 101
5/28/10 at 12:40am
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
Did their touch screen totally suck? Because the iPod Touch is the best touch screen I've ever used

Windows OS was the entertainment center of the home living room? OK, I don't remember that but whatever. As for "foreseeing tech but fucking it up", same thing has happened to Apple too. Neuton ETC
Er, that's the point Kate. Microsoft had working products or prototypes of all those things, and instead of steadily working on them they just allowed them to fail.

And mind you, these were all products that Microsoft really touted and put lots of $ into. Gates was especially worked up about the idea of a Microsoft OS Sever in everyone's house running not only the Entertainment centre but also the power, lights etc. They had a huge trailer outside of the CES show in Vegas in like 2002-2003. I saw it, thought "Eh hope they can get it to work" and forgot about it. Like everyone else did.
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post #61 of 101
5/28/10 at 12:56am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Oh my god this. I've had PCs last me longer than they have any right to simply by putting in a new video card or adding more RAM. And I won't void the warranty just by opening it to clean it.

It's also nice to be able to play PC games when they come out instead of waiting for the Mac version. If it ever comes.
I'm still running a pc from 2001 (Pentium 4). I've never had any problems with it. During that time, I've watched every single one of my co-workers take their respective Macs in for repair over and over, to where the cost of a single repair job was, in many cases, what I purchased my entire pc for to begin with.

It's like this cult, with their kool-aid cups, constantly taking them back for refills.
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post #62 of 101
5/28/10 at 3:24am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
instead of steadily working on them they just allowed them to fail.

And mind you, these were all products that Microsoft really touted and put lots of $ into.
I'd say if you were following the Apple/HTC lawsuits you may not be so quick to call all that R&D failures. My bet is all those "money pits" have paid for themselves multiple times over in technology license fees.
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post #63 of 101
5/28/10 at 5:11am
Oh and don't forget the staggering number of patients apple have stolen.

The technolgy for the ipod was stolen from Creative. Apple had to pay a shitload of mony for that one.

http://www.tuaw.com/2006/08/23/apple...it-settlement/

Then there is the ongoing case with Nokia, which for the same reasons as the creative case they will loose.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...e-patents.html


Apple vs Fujisu who already own the patent to the name Ipad. What's brilliant about this one is that that product is used by all Apple staff in there stores - its the point of sale software.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/01/2...tes-from-2002/

I love that each time they bitch and moan about being picked on but still settle out of court. Of course if you dare to do something simmilar to them it's a different ball game.
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post #64 of 101
5/28/10 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Cylon Baby View Post
Gates was especially worked up about the idea of a Microsoft OS Sever in everyone's house running not only the Entertainment centre but also the power, lights etc.
FUCK. THAT! Ugh... that's pure nightmare fuel right there.
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post #65 of 101
5/28/10 at 10:44am
Another thing about Apple? Mac users got Half Life 2 yesterday. Six years after the PC version debuted. Granted, there's ways to run Windows on a Mac, but six years? Come on.
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post #66 of 101
5/28/10 at 11:37am
And that, if you believe the rumors, was mostly pushed by Valve. Steam and consecutively Valve games natively on Mac would have happened years sooner if not for Apple's douchiness and active sabotaging.
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post #67 of 101
5/28/10 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post
Oh and don't forget the staggering number of patients apple have stolen.

The technolgy for the ipod was stolen from Creative. Apple had to pay a shitload of mony for that one.

http://www.tuaw.com/2006/08/23/apple...it-settlement/

Then there is the ongoing case with Nokia, which for the same reasons as the creative case they will loose.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...e-patents.html


Apple vs Fujisu who already own the patent to the name Ipad. What's brilliant about this one is that that product is used by all Apple staff in there stores - its the point of sale software.

http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/01/2...tes-from-2002/

I love that each time they bitch and moan about being picked on but still settle out of court. Of course if you dare to do something simmilar to them it's a different ball game.
"Stealing" is a terrible term to use in tech. I'll only very rarely side with OSS people on things, but software patents have done more to stunt the growth of this industry than anything else. At best, they keep small players out of the game by requiring any new entrant to acquire ridiculously obvious licenses from the big boys, at worst, said players don't even make the attempt.

As for Microsoft's forays, their problem is their usual process only works when a leader already exists. They never get things right the first, second, even third time, and when you're introducing a brand new product, a series of failures only makes people think you were wrong from the outset.
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post #68 of 101
5/28/10 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson View Post
I don't even see them having the handheld market sewn up.
A quick look at Wikipedia has Apple nowhere near sewing up the market. Not really a surprise as RIM has been doing it a lot longer and in the corporate space.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone
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post #69 of 101
5/28/10 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Another thing about Apple? Mac users got Half Life 2 yesterday. Six years after the PC version debuted. Granted, there's ways to run Windows on a Mac, but six years? Come on.
Yes but they did get Guitar Hero 3 the same week the PC version debuted.

Apple fanboys are as annoying as ever. You try and bring up some of the annoying things about Apple that have already been mentioned in this thread, but they tend to ignore all that because they have no idea what the fuck any of that means. I'm generalizing, but it feels like most Mac users really only own one because they're sleek and Justin Long sez they're kewl. I have a ton of friends in graphic design who are Mac owners with good reason, but what what about all the other people I know whose occupations has fuck-all to do with graphics? Why are they spending twice as much on a Macbook when they could buy a powerful HP for $800?

I do like my iPod, though.
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post #70 of 101
5/28/10 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by joeypants View Post
FUCK. THAT! Ugh... that's pure nightmare fuel right there.
Heh it was an X-Files episode...
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post #71 of 101
6/1/10 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by Scott View Post
Apple fanboys are as annoying as ever. You try and bring up some of the annoying things about Apple that have already been mentioned in this thread, but they tend to ignore all that because they have no idea what the fuck any of that means. I'm generalizing, but it feels like most Mac users really only own one because they're sleek and Justin Long sez they're kewl. I have a ton of friends in graphic design who are Mac owners with good reason, but what what about all the other people I know whose occupations has fuck-all to do with graphics? Why are they spending twice as much on a Macbook when they could buy a powerful HP for $800?
Money to spend and they care about looks/ease of support more than, you know, cost/performance ratio? That'd be my guess. I own a Mac Pro, and there's a vanishingly small number of people I'd recommend it to, but you better believe I'd recommend a Mac Mini or an iMac to a computer illiterate with money to spare who has me on speed dial.

I can't tell you the number of hours of my time (not to mention theirs as I walk them through why their computer has gotten so slow, you know, after they've installed 10,000,000 pieces of nagware crap) that have been saved since I started recommending Macs.
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post #72 of 101
6/4/10 at 12:15am
The iPad is just a PC: Ballmer to Jobs

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Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has had to grin and bear it while Apple overtook Microsoft as the world's largest tech company and its founder Steve Jobs sounded the death knell for PCs, but he didn't hold back when given the opportunity to return fire.

In an interview at the D: All Things Digital conference in California this week, Ballmer dumped on the iPad and Jobs' analogy that PCs were like "trucks" in agrarian times.

Referring to Jobs' brimming enthusiasm for his "magical" iPad, Ballmer said the iPad was just a new PC form factor and not a revolutionary new category. He panned it with an analogy about how difficult it was to take notes with the device in a meeting.

"To a man with a hammer everything looks like a nail," Ballmer said.
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post #73 of 101
6/4/10 at 5:39am
Well, sometimes Jobs doesn’t get it right. The Apple TV was a resounding flop. Although if these capabilities are included in the new version then it might be worth it, especially at that price. The key is ‘any format’. As we all know Jobs is loathe to let his products play any format which isn’t Apple:

http://gizmodo.com/5554017/the-new-a...yline=true&s=i

It will play any video file in any format in your network
Applications like Netflix, the ABC player, and Hulu (whenever it comes) would be there, providing with on-demand access to tons of content. Apple's own video library will be there too, and probably others—like Amazon's.
But the key for making this a completely successful device should be the ability to play any video format present in your network, from a DVD in your desktop PC to any ripped movie in a network disk. And the beauty of the apps model is that Apple doesn't need to provide with this ability. Thanks to third-party applications, users would be able to play whatever they want in their Apple TVs, streamed over Wi-Fi.
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post #74 of 101
6/4/10 at 1:47pm
AppleTV was a flop because the TV/Film industries aren't in the same position the record industry was in ten years ago. Without that sense of desperation, companies like Apple & Google don't have the leverage necessary to get every show onto their service, can't set aggressive prices, can't get comparable subscription services to cable, and definitely can't provide the same sort of access to sports.

So is it any surprise that nobody wants to pay $100-$300 upfront for another set top box that basically duplicates their OnDemand service?
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post #75 of 101
6/4/10 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by Girma View Post
AppleTV was a flop because the TV/Film industries aren't in the same position the record industry was in ten years ago. Without that sense of desperation, companies like Apple & Google don't have the leverage necessary to get every show onto their service, can't set aggressive prices, can't get comparable subscription services to cable, and definitely can't provide the same sort of access to sports.

So is it any surprise that nobody wants to pay $100-$300 upfront for another set top box that basically duplicates their OnDemand service?
Haven't two million people already paid double to triple that for an Apple "box" that duplicates their laptop and/or Kindle?

Maybe they didn't use the word "magical" enough in the advertising?
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post #76 of 101
6/4/10 at 1:59pm
Perhaps the issue is that Apple had a hard time pressuring cable companies to give in to their demands? Given Jobs' response at the D8 conference and their experience with AT&T and the iPhone it kind of seems like they used the competition between different carriers to allow them to create a product with the vision they wanted.

I do find his response to the question a bit disingenuous though, he said there were no national companies like phones but that was completely ignoring the satellite ones. Any of the satellite companies could have provided them a nationwide capability to roll out a device.
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post #77 of 101
6/4/10 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by Micah Robinson View Post
Haven't two million people already paid double to triple that for an Apple "box" that duplicates their laptop and/or Kindle?

Maybe they didn't use the word "magical" enough in the advertising?
I think the difference is, replacing a set top box requires rather unwilling media conglomerates to cooperate. Replacing a Kindle with an iPad, or buying an iPad instead of a Kindle required another dying industry to capitulate, and it did. Replacing a Laptop with an iPad, or buying an iPad instead of one simply requires that you, you know, are among a large number of people who spend far more time consuming stuff on their computers than creating.
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post #78 of 101
6/4/10 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by Girma View Post
I think the difference is, replacing a set top box requires rather unwilling media conglomerates to cooperate. Replacing a Kindle with an iPad, or buying an iPad instead of a Kindle required another dying industry to capitulate, and it did. Replacing a Laptop with an iPad, or buying an iPad instead of one simply requires that you, you know, are among a large number of people who spend far more time consuming stuff on their computers than creating.
I would think between the access to Apple iTunes videos, movies, and TV shows and the Netflix streaming app now on iPad, they already have most of the "cooperation" they need from media conglomerates.

We're actually considering junking Direct Tv altogether, and going this route, but I'm going to wait until later in the year to see how Apple TV and Google TV shake out for the holidays.
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post #79 of 101
6/4/10 at 3:50pm
I could see a Google TV since it's more like a TiVo than an Apple TV, and TiVo's, at least if you're a Cablevision subscriber, end up paying for themselves after a couple of years due to cheaper scheduling and the fact that you're no longer paying a set top box rental fee. But an Apple TV? Apple would have to do something drastic to make it anything more than a supplemental toy, and sure, the rumors seem to indicate as much, but they're nothing more than rumors at this point.
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post #80 of 101
6/4/10 at 4:15pm
I think a big problem is that watching TV is inherently a passive experience that most people do to unwind after work. And something between 80 and 90% of TV is still watched on a TV. Most people can't be arsed to fiddle around with ANOTHER box. Their PVR is enough. Add the media companies' reluctance and you have a problem.
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post #81 of 101
6/4/10 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by Princess Kate View Post
In that world most people would use apple products so there wouldn't be big issues of getting files to work on a different computer. And since apple products are awesome and work really well, other than the fact it would be a monopoly like Windows used to have, I don't see the problem

"Racism and eugenics aside..."
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post #82 of 101
6/4/10 at 5:26pm
Okay, perhaps some Apple-knowledgeable people can help me out a little. What does Apple TV do exactly? I've looked it up on websites, but I have always had a hard time cutting through the marketing speak that surrounds their products.

Anyone feel like explaining it? Or have a link to a simple (I'm not the smartest guy) explanation?
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post #83 of 101
6/4/10 at 5:36pm
It's basically a set top box version of iTunes. It can play/stream iTunes and media content from other devices in your house. This includes photo slide shows, home movies, web radio, streaming MP3's and I think it also supports YouTube.

It doesn't really do all that much.
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post #84 of 101
6/4/10 at 5:54pm
Thanks, that actually helped a lot. Do you know if the media browser the only software included?

Man they sure obscure the technical details of this thing. They don't even list the processor speed on their own website! It just says "intel." Well duh.
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post #85 of 101
6/4/10 at 5:56pm
I'd suggest just going into an Apple store or Best Buy and checking it out (or videos of the interface). I don't know much more about it than that since I never seriously considered picking one up (since I've already got 3 other devices that do the same thing).
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post #86 of 101
6/4/10 at 5:58pm
There's some linux distros that open up the capability of the apple tv appliance.
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post #87 of 101
6/4/10 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by billylove View Post
There's some linux distros that open up the capability of the apple tv appliance.
Srs? Which distros support the hardware? And expanded in what ways?
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post #88 of 101
6/4/10 at 6:14pm
Boxee was the most common thing I've heard of for it.
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post #89 of 101
6/4/10 at 6:23pm
Boxee's still kind of buggy I hear. I had considered it for a while, but I like to maintain a balance between stability and fun. I'm intrigued though, I've never looked into turning Apple comps into linux boxes. I think I'll do some research.

EDIT: Alsoplus, I'm pretty sure it voids the warranty to switch OS's on Macs and stuff.
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post #90 of 101
6/4/10 at 6:25pm
Google for some fun. There's also the XBMC option and I think installing a full OSX has been done.

If I had more disposable income, I would have bought one and tried some things out because the form factor is excellent.
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post #91 of 101
6/5/10 at 8:27am
Aaaand Google is starting their own music store.

I fucking LOVE corporate wars.
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post #92 of 101
6/5/10 at 11:44am
I'm curious about their stance on DRM.
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post #93 of 101
6/7/10 at 3:29pm
For music? I'd assume none. They'd never be able to compete with Apple or Amazon otherwise.
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post #94 of 101
6/30/10 at 9:22pm
Microsoft kills off KIN phones

Well, that didn't take long.
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post #95 of 101
7/2/10 at 12:58am
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
Aaaand Google is starting their own music store.

I fucking LOVE corporate wars.
I'm still waiting for all restaurants to be Taco Bell.
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post #96 of 101
10/22/10 at 11:42am
Thread Starter 
A Meeting of True American Titans

How cool? I'd love to know what kind of prescient and forward looking conversation took place between these two remarkable humans
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post #97 of 101
10/25/10 at 1:43am
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Originally Posted by dontEATnachos View Post
It's basically a set top box version of iTunes. It can play/stream iTunes and media content from other devices in your house. This includes photo slide shows, home movies, web radio, streaming MP3's and I think it also supports YouTube.

It doesn't really do all that much.
It can also stream media on it own, directly from iTunes, Netflix, and YouTube- without any of your other computers being on.

Saying it doesn't do much is like complaining a toaster only browns bread. It does what's advertised, simply and cleanly. Lord knows how much money I've saved buying DVDs and BR disks thanks to my TV.
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post #98 of 101
10/25/10 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS View Post
I'm still waiting for all restaurants to be Taco Bell.
We can even sing commercial jingles together.
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post #99 of 101
11/1/10 at 7:56pm
Microsoft is probably going to become the next IBM, very important but not relevant to consumers. They'll be mostly geared towards business. The only reason Windows 7 sold well was due to business sales. Even Internet Explorer is massively on the decline. For the first time in a decade there are more people using alternative browers than IE users. MS has been behind the curve in virtually every consumer innovation for quite a while now.
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post #100 of 101
11/1/10 at 9:55pm
Yeah, and by dropping the ball so royally in the mobile OS arena (and the tablet arena it seems) it's really opened the door for Google, Apple, and others to step in.

MS still owns with the Office death grip but at this point, how long can that last?
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