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post #51 of 121
Should've googled before I posted:

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I hate water, I hate sand, I hate swimming. But if I am to rest transparently from the spirit which gave me rise, I need to believe that starting from there I can get to the spirit, unless everything I've said to you is bullshit.

So I went to work.

And I said: 'Listen, that surfing idea. I love that surfing idea. I love it. I just wanna...fool with it a little bit.'

They said, 'Well, but it's young, it's hot!'

I said, 'And I love that. I love that. But...what if this was about...In the aftermath of 9/11, whatever God is, becomes aware that we have been so infantilized, we have been made such children by our addiction to media, which doesn't sink its roots deep, that we have become capable of a genocide.'

Now, they sleep through this shit anyway, the bosses. 'That's great! That's great...' And they're looking around going 'What the fuck did he just say?' 'That is beautiful! But you'll have the surfing, right?'

I said, 'The surfing is of the essence! The surfing is of the *essence*.'

'What was that other shit that - well I mean not "shit," it's great, but what was it that you said?'

I said, 'Well, it's like this. 9/11: terrible. We can all agree, right? But let's say the invasion of Iraq - what exactly is the connection between 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq? "Well, they had weapons of mass destruction, etc." My sense from watching that stuff, y'know, is - as I'm watching the planes go into the building over and over and over and over and over again, I'm thinking: It's enough! It's enough with the planes going into the building. Y'know: I want my old programs back. I don't want to have to look at that crap all the time.

'So my president is talking to his programmers, and what the president says is, "Let's give 'em a 12-episode miniseries. We come up with the villains. We're gonna go in, at the end we'll pull down the statue, we'll give 'em a whole different program. And it'll be fine. And they are so sick of that entertainment where the planes go into the buildings, they'll love it."

'So we staged the invasion of Iraq, really, as a change in programming for an audience so narcotized by their addiction to television that all of their frustrated patriotism is...

'3,100 people. Terrible, terrible thing. Now let's say that 20 million Tutsi and Hutu have murdered each other since 9/11. 'Well, none of that was on my television. God bless 'em. They're black people anyway, they're savages,' is the way the programmers encourage us to think. But the planes going into our building, that fucked up our TV schedule.

'So there we go, we go away to Iraq. We stage our 12-day miniseries. Now people start to get sick - it's a 12-episode miniseries. "Now what are you telling me, people are still being killed? I'm done with that! I'm done with that show!" So now we get sick of THAT show. Now the problem becomes, since a message has been given to us, "We can solve your problem with better programming." What's gonna happen the next time - and there's gonna be a next time - that there's a terrorist attack? And the next time what's gonna happen is, there will be a charlatan who's gonna make this clown look like Mother Teresa, who's gonna say, "We wanna kill every Muslim in the world? Absolutely not! Absolutely not. But by the same token, they are fucking up our programming...and if what is required is that some innocents die so that we can get American Idol back on the air...with the best will in the world, and enormous regret, let's find the people that bombed the civilians in Nagasaki, and let's get busy."

'So let's go back now to the idea that whatever the spirit of the universe is, feels that this civilization is tending toward a genocide, and dispatches its representative to try to change the American psyche. And the only way this spirit of the universe feels the American psyche can be changed, is if the spirit manifests itself as a child with enormous powers. And if this spirit begins by address the absolutely fucking stupidest people in America - which are the surfers...'
post #52 of 121
Goddamn Milch is a smart guy.
post #53 of 121
I wish I could have seen more of CRIME STORY, TWIN PEAKS, LUCKY and yes, THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH CONAN O'BRIEN.
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THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH CONAN O'BRIEN.
Good call!
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I wish I could have seen more of CRIME STORY, TWIN PEAKS, LUCKY and yes, THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH CONAN O'BRIEN.
I don't get what's so great about the TONIGHT SHOW gig. He would have been under greater constraints by standards and practices due to the earlier hour, and he's already been doing his own TONIGHT SHOW for 15 years basically. Other than it being "THE TONIGHT SHOW" there is no benefit I can see that that program afforded his comedy
post #56 of 121
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Veronica Mars got a third season, although that's more of a "shows that got cancelled just before/during a creative upswing" show
They also shot a ten minute-ish season 4 pitch with Shane from the Shield as her teacher at the FBI academy, sporting a sweet beard. It's depressing to watch because it makes you think of what could have been.
post #57 of 121
Action got cut way early, though they were already de-fanging it by the last couple episodes.

Looks like Party Down is going to get a premature death as well.
post #58 of 121
The LA CONFIDENTIAL TV SHOW
post #59 of 121
That a) never aired and b) wasn't any good.

I have no problem with Party Down going out on top.
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I wish I could have seen more of CRIME STORY, TWIN PEAKS, LUCKY and yes, THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH CONAN O'BRIEN.
Ah, damn it, Litmus. I'm sad about Crime Story now. I had forgot all about it until just now.
post #61 of 121
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say West Wing. It had lost a bit of it's shine during season five and the first part of season six but by the end I was willing to watch more. I didn't care if it was Vinnick or Santos.
post #62 of 121
I agree with the West Wing, as I allowed a not-at-all deranged scientist to test his Lacuna Inc-like procedure on me and insert memories of being angry at the unfair cancellation of the show, just as it had wrapped its fourth season with a cliffhanger.
post #63 of 121
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I'm not at all saying the show qualifies for this thread, much like West Wing, which had two great years (2 & 4), four good to very good ones (1, 3, 6, & 7) and one mediocre to bad one (5), before ending at a good place for the show. But I'm saying that with both those shows, there was still a lot of potential left in them.
I kind of agree.
post #64 of 121
For the bizarro version of this thread: Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.
post #65 of 121
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For the bizarro version of this thread: Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.
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The winner, of course, is Studio 60.
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Guys, I'm joking! Awful show.
Cameron beat you to that punch.
post #66 of 121


Would NewsRadio apply? I'm considering it being cut down once Hartman died.
post #67 of 121
Thread Starter 
The Ben Stiller Show. There I said it.

EDIT: Kudos to The REAL Tonight Show, whoever said that. TRTS.
post #68 of 121
I liked Studio 60. It was like a fine bourbon, where Sorkin took the corn of his egotism, self-righteousness, and fondness for rubbing the audience's face in his deep knowledge of WASP culture and distilled it into a pure amber of smugness that burns on contact and is deadly in large doses. I didn't think we'd ever get such a perfect showcase for the personal and professional weaknesses of a writer again.

And then the Lord heard my cries and gave us Happy Town.
post #69 of 121
Big Apple, created by David Milch and Anthony Yerkovich back in '01, had a shot at being one of the great shows. NYPD/FBI task force vs. the Irish mob. Ed O'Neill, David Strathairn, Kim Dickens, Michael Madsen, Donnie Wahlberg, Titus Welliver...Dead in 6 episodes.

Thankfully, some enterprising mofo has put the pilot up on Youtube.

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4
post #70 of 121
Invasion. It was getting really good and creepy at the end. Fitchner was great on it. Shaun Cassidy creates good shows and they always die fast.
post #71 of 121
That was the year of the alien invasions. Invasion was the best. The scene where Fichtner takes the chainsaw out of the trunk was the highlight of the series for me.
post #72 of 121
Also, Tolan and Leary's The Job was great and deserved more love.
post #73 of 121
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That was the year of the alien invasions. Invasion was the best. The scene where Fichtner takes the chainsaw out of the trunk was the highlight of the series for me.
I actually kinda liked how it ended. "We're all FUCKED." kind of ending.
post #74 of 121
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Also, Tolan and Leary's The Job was great and deserved more love.
Oh yeah. It was kinda a Police version of Rescue Me.
post #75 of 121
I'd have beaten John From Cincinatti's representative to death in the street for another season of Deadwood.

My all-timer for this list was Farscape. A show that started out fun but forgettable and ended up as the closest thing to the original Star Wars we've seen since, in serial TV form with a more adult spin. It was renewed for a fifth season, then canceled after a fourth-season ending cliffhanger of the, "Oh shit!" variety had been filmed. Years later they found the money to film a nice miniseries capper, but the epic "tie everything together against the backdrop of galactic annhilation" ending hinted at how much more incredible it would've been as a full season with breathing room for the story and a budget to match.
post #76 of 121
The Tonight Show with Conan O'Brien is a good call. He was just kinda starting to find his feet when NBC and Leno pulled their shit. Then again we are all spoiled a bit by his "going out in a blaze of glory" final episodes that were just epic.

And I agree with the West Wing too. It recovered very nicely after Season 5. Going at least 4 more season with the Santos Administration would have been good. Hell it could have even grown into a Law and Order type show that just kept going through several different Administrations.

And it wasn't in it's Prime...but I always thought the Red Headed Stepchild of the Law and Order Dynasty (Trial by Jury) was never really given a fair shot...although it's fate was sealed when The Orbach died.
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Legend of the Hidden temple!!! Man I used to love that show when I started watching the reruns as a kid. The shrine of the silver monkey... did they ever put the entire series on DVD?
post #79 of 121
People are seriously complaining about Raines? It's as generic a cop show as they get. Shows like that are dime a dozen on CBS.

Dead Like Me was prematurely canceled for sure. And just to rub salt in the wounds the movie they made was absolutely atrocious.

The Middleman: Such a fun and entertaining show, it's the kind of show Chuck aspires to be but is never quite able to capture the pure fun of 'The Middleman'

Twin Peaks obviously, I just watched it last year for the first time and eventhough it looks extremely dated, it was still one of greatest shows I have ever seen. With all the reboots I wouldn't mind Twin Peaks be rebooted, it would help fill the void left by Lost.
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Legend of the Hidden temple!!! Man I used to love that show when I started watching the reruns as a kid. The shrine of the silver monkey... did they ever put the entire series on DVD?
No, I'm afraid not, J. I understand it was on the unfortunately named "GAS" network for a while, but is now just off the air. It's a fantastic concept for a show, and a more stunt based adult version could be very cool, sort of a combination of quiz show, fear factor (minus any ingestion based stunts, obviously) and survivor, filmed on location somewhere with a hundred million dollar animatronic Olmec head. Also, I'd bring Kirk Fogg back out of retirement to host, and give him an "Old Indy" style eye patch

PS Legends of the Hidden Temple had an episode centered around Alexander The Great and recovering the severed Gordian Knot.
post #81 of 121
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No, I'm afraid not, J. I understand it was on the unfortunately named "GAS" network for a while, but is now just off the air. It's a fantastic concept for a show, and a more stunt based adult version could be very cool, sort of a combination of quiz show, fear factor (minus any ingestion based stunts, obviously) and survivor, filmed on location somewhere with a hundred million dollar animatronic Olmec head. Also, I'd bring Kirk Fogg back out of retirement to host, and give him an "Old Indy" style eye patch

PS Legends of the Hidden Temple had an episode centered around Alexander The Great and recovering the severed Gordian Knot.
Eh, this was always American Gladiator for Kids. What was the Nick show that had kids swim through an Olympic sized swimming pool filled with manure? That was a challenge.
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PS Legends of the Hidden Temple had an episode centered around Alexander The Great and recovering the severed Gordian Knot.
Legends of the Hidden Temple also had an episode that revolved around the golden pepperoni of Catherine dé Medici. You know, because she's Italian. She make-a the pizza pie!

Back on topic, while Futurama is coming back, it was on fire when it cancelled. As the movies showed (at least for me) that kinda magic is hard to recapture, so while it's nice to see it again, it would have been nice to see it go on without such a long hiatus.
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Eh, this was always American Gladiator for Kids. What was the Nick show that had kids swim through an Olympic sized swimming pool filled with manure? That was a challenge.
Yes but unlike the 1980s spandex and metal hair themed AG, LOTH was about the spirit of adventure, spooky temples and ancient curses, all wrapped up in an Indiana Jones artifact collecting history learning package.).

Nick also never made kids swim through manure. I don't know where you're getting that. Mud? Sure, WILD AND CRAZY KIDS was one of many shows that featured that. Slime? DD.

But never horse shit.

PS GUTS also needs to come back, every game show (besides LOTHT) should end with a frantic accent of THE AGROCRAG
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Legends of the Hidden Temple also had an episode that revolved around the golden pepperoni of Catherine dé Medici. You know, because she's Italian. She make-a the pizza pie!.
Go ask Ozymandias about the story of Megas Alexandros and his solution to the gordian knot, and then ask how it compares to a cured deli meat

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Back on topic, while Futurama is coming back, it was on fire when it cancelled. As the movies showed (at least for me) that kinda magic is hard to recapture, so while it's nice to see it again, it would have been nice to see it go on without such a long hiatus.
I *Really* like the first F movie, but felt the last one was disjointed and pretty terrible
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Nick also never made kids swim through manure. Though, PS
You're obviously not a 1980s kid.
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You're obviously not a 1980s kid.
I edited my post to expand on that comment, I go more in-depth into the manure issue
post #87 of 121
It was literally bullshit. It was a Rocky and Bullwinkle-themed challenge.
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It was literally bullshit. It was a Rocky and Bullwinkle-themed challenge.
Well, I have no memory of that
post #89 of 121
Yeah, I was kind of disappointed they didn't go with squirrel shit, honestly. That would have shown dedication on the part of everyone involved.
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Yes but unlike the 1980s spandex and metal hair themed AG, LOTH was about the spirit of adventure, spooky temples and ancient curses, all wrapped up in an Indiana Jones artifact collecting history learning package.).
Exactly, I used to look forward to whatever myth/story they were building the episode around as much as the action. I have not seen LOTH or GUTS in a long time but I think these shows were so well done that an adult could potentially have watched them and enjoyed the hell outta them.

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PS GUTS also needs to come back, every game show (besides LOTHT) should end with a frantic accent of THE AGROCRAG
GUTS! You are now reminding me of all the awesome 90's Nick shows.

The Journey of Alan Strange: Such a great concept for a series. Needs to be rebooted.

The Mystery Files of Shelby Woo: Really ambitious for a kids show

It's a shame how awesome Nick was at that time compared to the crap they are shoveling these days
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Exactly, I used to look forward to whatever myth/story they were building the episode around as much as the action. I have not seen LOTH or GUTS in a long time but I think these shows were so well done that an adult could potentially have watched them and enjoyed the hell outta them.



GUTS! You are now reminding me of all the awesome 90's Nick shows.

The Journey of Alan Strange: Such a great concept for a series. Needs to be rebooted.

The Mystery Files of Shelby Woo: Really ambitious for a kids show

It's a shame how awesome Nick was at that time compared to the crap they are shoveling these days
It's 30 30 am and I'm off to bed, but I liked all those shows and I wanted to comment on the decline of NICK. I think there were people in charge of the network back then who were sort of idealistic about children's programming and wanted to produce the very best stuff they could even if they kind of cancelled shows too soon. Most of the nineties nick shows lasted a season or two, three at the most. They were like HBO that way. Then I think their popularity lead to greed and they began programing to imitate what was popular on other networks and do it as cheaply as possible. Now whenever I flip past it it looks like all they show are lazily animated unfunny anime based programs. Make fun of it all you want, but shows like DOUG had story and heart and dealt with issues real people go through. PETE AND PETE was sureal genius and ROCKO'S MODERN LIFE was a hundred times funnier than SPONGE BOB -- though yes, I'm aware they're from the same guy. AH REAL MONSTERS is better than MONSTER'S INC IMHO and the early seasons of HEY ARNOLD gave a really insightful view into life as a kid in a large city.

Anyway, I feel sorry for kids these days in that respect. We had the better TV I think
post #92 of 121
Not sure if others around here remember this, but the Karen Sisco series that was on ABC (?) never really got a fair shake. I remember only seeing about 7 or 8 of the 13 episodes they filmed. Caught a bit of Out of Sight earlier this week and it made me go looking for the series on DVD on Netflix, but apparently there was never a release.

I remember it being pretty good, but would be interesting to see how well my memory of it holds up. Either way, not sure how a show starring Gugino didn't garner better ratings - she looked (and still does look) phenomenal. Think this is one of the promo images from the show...



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Also, Tolan and Leary's The Job was great and deserved more love.
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Oh yeah. It was kinda a Police version of Rescue Me.
I really liked it when it came out, but then got it through Netflix a little while ago, and it didn't really hold up as well as I remembered it. The formula was really refined and done much better on Rescue Me. Seemed a little too sanitized for network TV.
post #93 of 121
Warburton's TICK. More Batmanuel, please.
post #94 of 121
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Anyone think Reaper has a spot in here?
I do, was about to bring up both that and Sarah Connor Chronicles as the last half of both of their respective final seasons were building up some really interesting end games.

Still holding out a little hope for a comic book series wrapping up both of their loose ends.
post #95 of 121
The undisputed winner of this thread is the British TV show Ultraviolet. The best horror/police procedural show I've ever seen, in six shows it created a mythology that most shows would kill for. It should be required viewing for ever Twihard.

Other notable mentions:
Profit Years ahead of it's time
Miss Guided Judy Greer is so underused by Hollywood, she's now slumming it as the TNA in The Big Bang Theory
The Middleman The Show Chuck and that Warehouse 13 show wish they could be.
post #96 of 121
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I'd argue that Babylon 5 was screwed by merely the threat that it was going to be canceled after Season 4. JSM then crammed two Seasons worth of plot into one Season, so when the show was in fact renewed, he had to scramble to fill in a Season worth of plot, and it showed.
I mentioned this briefly earlier, but yeah, you can see the mad scramble to tell some kind of story in Season 5.

As for West Wing, I would have been more excited to see it continue had Vinnick won the election rather than Santos. We'd already seen the show's dream Democratic president. It would have been fun to see its dream Republican.
post #97 of 121
Yea, I would have relished at least one season of a Vinick administration. Wasn't the original plan to have a narrow Vinick victory, but John Spencer's death provoked a rewrite (something about Leo dying AND the Democrats losing being too much of a bummer)?
post #98 of 121
WayDen, Karen Sisco was a cool show! I think you are right about it being on...ABC.

I wish...The Flash, had not been cancelled as...Fast as it was, as CBS, moved it's timeslot about...6 times.
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Yea, I would have relished at least one season of a Vinick administration. Wasn't the original plan to have a narrow Vinick victory, but John Spencer's death provoked a rewrite (something about Leo dying AND the Democrats losing being too much of a bummer)?
I'd heard that as well. It would have been a bit of a bummer to have Josh's swan song be losing Leo and the election.
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I'd heard that as well. It would have been a bit of a bummer to have Josh's swan song be losing Leo and the election.
100% what happened, which makes sense given Josh's tone at the library dedication flash-forward.

I would have been on board for a Vinick administration. It would have been a massive breath of fresh air for the non-campaign storylines of the show which were dreadful Seasons 6 and 7 (I'm looking at you Chief of Staff Cregg and Toby storyline).
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