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post #1 of 24
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For my theme I went with two not-very-danceable classics by acts that are nominally "dance" bands (at least I've done the White Man's Overbite to their songs many at time):

Funkadelic, Maggot Brain

For those unfamiliar, George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic have a tangled discography - this would be the 3rd "Funkadelic" album, but the 4th album by a Clinton act (the 3 Funkadelic releases were preceded by one Parliament album), and as the decade progressed the releases would begin to overlap ridiculously and keeping track of who did what when is pointless.

Bottom line is it's some form of P-Funk, which mean they're gonna hit it on the 1 and do in ya earhole, but it's FUNKADELIC which is warning that it's going to also get pretty fuckin' weird. Not coincidentally, this was in the phase where George Clinton pretty much said they'd take tons of drugs, hit the "record" button, and see what happened.


What happened in this instance is "Funkadelic's 'A Love Supreme' " (in the words of Greg Tate), the title track. For those of you who have never heard of Eddie Hazel, this is where his rep was made. It's essentially 10 minutes of Hazel jamming out with minimal accompaniment, and it's freakin' brilliant. I'm basically putting this album in so all y'all HAVE to listen to that....


....not that the rest of the album lacks merit. For me, the "best of the rest" would be "Super Stupid" - Eddie Hazel singing and jamming out over an uptempo, near-hard-rock groove. "Back in Our Minds" is delightfully off-kilter with some proto-Biz Markie vocal stylings. "Hit and Quit It" is a slight departure in that it's more acoustic than electric, but still 100% P-Funk.

The album closer, however, bears special mention - if "Maggot Brain" is can be described as a psychedelic guitar freak-out, "Wars of Armageddon" is just a general freak out. I have no idea what the hell is going on here, and I doubt that anyone in the band did either. Over it's near-10 minutes, they manage to squeeze some solid R&B jamming in amongst the shenanigans. Bonus points for topping Blue Oyster Cult - "Cowbell? Fuck that, we'll put the damn cowbell along with the COW in our song!"


P-Funk strikes me as being almost a "singles" band these days - people know their "Greatest Hits" but don't really get that deep into the discography. Hopefully you guys find the effort rewarding.


Daft Punk - Human After All

Another one of my favorites; a bit less to say here because, well, DP are significantly less interesting than Parliament....but then again, about 99.5% of the world's population is. But the album is also a lot more homogenous compared to the various directions Maggot Brain heads off in.

What IS interesting to me about Daft Punk is that their 3 studio albums all "feel" significantly different - these guys aren't going to stand in place and just do what's expected. In this case, they followed up the slick, synth-poppy Discovery with the raw, repetitive Human After All...at least most reviews thought it was overly repetitive and primitive. DP said they regarded HAA as "pure improvisation" and the bulk of it was recorded with "two guitars and a drum machine," not to mention minimal production.

The album doesn't have any real standout tracks - though I don't mean that in a bad way. The album is consistent; nothing hit me as particularly weak, but all 10 songs just kinda grab onto a groove early and run it into the ground. In some cases the homogeneity could be a weakness; in this case, I think DP are trying to create a mood and a listening experience - taken one by one, the songs are just fine. Listening to the whole album in one sitting there's a cumulative effect that builds up.

My personal faves were "Steam Machine" and "Prime Time of Your Life."
post #2 of 24
Maggot Brain is one of my favorite albums. I love it so, so, so much. The title track is amazing for Hazel's insane guitar playing alone, and yeah Wars of Armageddon is a total freak-out album closing (after ten minutes, it ends with a nuclear bomb explosion, a baby crying, then a heart beat....I mean, come on). Both songs typically cloud a lot of the stuff in the middle from people's minds, but there are such great tunes there. "Hit it and Quit It" and "You and My Folks" are some of my favorites, but the absolute best song, one of my FAVORITE rock songs of all time, is "Super Stupid." It's such a loose, fun, crazy rock'n roll ditty and the guitar solo at the end is brain meltingly good. The central riff in that song just gets stuck in my head every time I THINK about it. Hazel was such an incredible talent and this album really lets him let it all out. The albums secret weapon, I think, is Bernie Worrell on keys. His contributions to all the songs (and the songwriting) really go along way.

I love Daft Punk, but I haven't listened to Human After All because of the negative reviews it received when it came out. I kinda forced myself to stay away. Anything was going to be hard to top Discovery, but this will give me a chance to check it out. Great picks, Chavez!

ETA: Here are some links to YouTube clips featuring the tunes from Maggot Brain. I didn't have time to do the Daft Punk one yet.

Maggot Brain
Can You Get To That
Hit it And Quit It
You And Your Folks, Me and My Folks
Super Stupid
Back In Our Minds
Wars of Armageddon
post #3 of 24
wow, excellent choices Chavez. Funkadelic pre-'One Nation' has been mostly forgotten nowadays it seems. Probably because that part of the discography remained untouched by the nineties P-Funk samplers like Dr. Dre. For latter-day George Clinton, I prefer the Parliament albums (in particular Motor Booty Affair) since they feel more as a whole, whereas Funkadelic became single fodder with some filler tracks in between. True what you say 'bout their legacy though- I'd recommend anyone with an interest in not just funk, but rock as well, to get a hold of any of the first seven albums in their discography.

About Maggot Brain- yeah, this is great stuff. I can still get a bit worked up about people worshiping at the altar of Hendrix, but not even knowing about Eddie Hazel. It's really one of the few soloists I can listen to for an entire track (even if it's 10 minutes long, like Maggot Brain), he has the same 'lyrical' feel I get with people like Hendrix, Santana or Zappa (what I mean: he has a great feel for build-up, rather than firing away notes).

The thing that made Funkadelic/Parliament stand out from other funk bands: the variety on the albums, and attention to songwriting. No different here... hard for me to point a favorite, since every track has a different flavour that adds to the whole. Super Stupid is scorching, but I like Hit It And Quit It at least as much. It has an odd time signature which actually adds to the groove, then halfway the track it has a shift which sounds like a mistake (according to Bernie Worrell, it was) but just makes it more awesome. But I wouldn't dismiss the less rocking tracks, 'Can You Get To That' and 'You And Your Folks' are great blends of folkrock and gospel- Funkadelic was doing that crossover thing way before anybody else. And that 'Armageddon' freakout, well... every Funkadelic album had one at the end. My favourite is the soulful Bernie Worrell solo 'Atmosphere' on the album Let's Take It To The Stage, which is also my personal Funkadelic pick (seriously, if you dig MB: dig further). But it's a part of their concept- I like it.

On to the Daft Punk album, on which I have a lot less good to say I'm afraid I think after Discovery, they got very much into developing their concept, and they've become masters in it. I got to see the pyramid show live, and it's a marvel. But it made them treat the music almost as an afterthought, and HAA suffers because of it.
That being said, I must confess I was also quite disappointed by Discovery at the time. I know this is the album that broke them big in the States, but their debut Homework was a defining moment in my life. I was very involved with the whole European house movement in the late nineties: Brit-house, the German nu-jazz scene, and the French Touch. DP with Homework were at the very forefront of that whole sound- I can still remember hearing a preview copy of 'Burnin' being played out in a club, and the whole floor going absolutely apenuts, without even knowing who it was. A lot of people in their entourage did their best work during that time (Etienne Le Crecy & Motorbass, Bob Sinclar, Dimitri From Paris). By the time Discovery came out, that sound had been milked for all it was worth, or moved into other directions. So it's understandable DP tried to do something different as well. I guess I would have liked to see them branch out in even more extreme territory (like this early Thomas Bangalter track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71SzkgEFXZg), but instead they went for pop. They did a fine job I guess, not to blame them- it just wasn't for me & hasn't been since.

Hah! Weirdly enough the first time I weigh in on the AotM at CHUD.. but I always caught the posts too late to add anything to the discussion.
post #4 of 24
Oh awesome, awesome choice with Maggot Brain, Chavez, Hazel's playing on that one is fucking incredible.
post #5 of 24
I know the DP album, but I'll jump on Funkadelic right now!
post #6 of 24
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Fuck, Parker, YouTubing that stuff is a GREAT idea. For Human After All:

Human After All
Prime Time of Your Life
Robot Rock
Steam Machine
Make Love
The Brainwasher
On/Off
Television Rules the Nation
Technologic
Emotion
post #7 of 24
Funkadelic-Maggot Brain

A few years ago, I was heavily into listening to funk and decided to delve into Funkadelic's catalogue, Their debut up to MB, their sound was unlike anything else at the time, just a weird mix of Funk, Rock and Psychedelic, arguably they reached their pinnacle with Maggot Brain, the gentle opening of the title track which is more or less, a showcase for Eddie Hazel's dazzling guitar skills, the middle section where Hazel starts using echo effects, is incredible, it's clearly Hendrix inspired but Hazel plays the hell out of it. 'Can you get to that' is a great R'n'B song with one of the great opening guitar lines from Hazel, "I once had a life or rather life had me..."
"Hit it and Quit it" and "Super Stupid" are more examples of Hazel's excellent guitar playing when he get's to rock out.
The finale 'Wars of Armageddon' is just surreal, it's like a trip through Travis Bickle's mind while he's driving around in NYC on a saturday night, Hazel blazes in with that astounding solo and the song just keeps getting wilder and wilder. Although Hezel is the star of the show, the rest of the band is just as excellent, Bernie Worrell's organ playing is solid, Tiki Fulwood's drumming is best showcased on Wars, his syncopated rhythm's are hypnotic. The following album 'America Eats it's Young' would drift away from the funk-rock and into more pop friendly areas but they couldn't have a left a more interesting musical piece.

Daft Punk-Human After All

After Discovery, DP seemed to move in a harder dance direction, they've still retained their knack for a good pop hook but this album sounds alot more rougher, more electro than dance-pop which they're famous for. I like the album ok, it feels alot colder than their previous efforts though but not quite as inaccessible as their followup to Human...Harder Better Faster Stronger.
post #8 of 24
Um, Harder Better Faster Stronger was on Discovery which came out before Human After All. The only thing they've released since Human After All was their live album.

I'm a big Daft Punk fan and unlike some I really enjoy Human After All. It's not filled with the lovely pop hooks of Discovery but I think songs like Television Rules the Nation, Steam Machine and Robot Rock are all pretty stellar. It's not as breakthrough as their older stuff but it's still a ton of fun to dance to or in my case over the weekend play videos games too.

I just listened to Maggot Brain for the first couple times over the weekend and I really enjoyed. Like others have said Hazel's guitar playing on the title track is the kind of thing that takes you on a journey without words. Reading up on the album and that Clinton told Hazel "to play as if his Mama just died" was pretty interesting and definitely something that's felt not only in his style of play but in his guitar tone. They were just an awesome band. Thanks for the call on Funkadelic Chavez I'm really digging it.
post #9 of 24
Maggot Brain is indeed great. I agree with everything said about the title track, though Hit It And Quit It might be my pick for favourite track, just for it's fantastic bouncy funk riff.

I wouldn't say Daft Punk are less interesting than Funkadelic at all, but I've heard nothing but middling things about this record. I'll check it out though.
post #10 of 24
I loved Homework and Discovery by Daft Punk but like Parker negative word kept me away from Human After All. Nice to have a reason to give it a chance. Loving Funkadelic, amazing sounding record. Will have more thoughts later, just wanted to say I loved the choices.
post #11 of 24
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I wouldn't say Daft Punk are less interesting than Funkadelic at all, but I've heard nothing but middling things about this record. I'll check it out though.
I think it's just a less innovative, less inventive record than Homework or Discovery; it may suffer from one of those "if some new band put this out it would be album of the year but because it's Daft Punk it's disappointing" biases.

Still, I think the rewards and good spots on the album FAR outweigh the bad.
post #12 of 24
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I think it's just a less innovative, less inventive record than Homework or Discovery; it may suffer from one of those "if some new band put this out it would be album of the year but because it's Daft Punk it's disappointing" biases.

Still, I think the rewards and good spots on the album FAR outweigh the bad.
Kindly disagree... to me it feels like a lazy record. Like I said, Discovery didn't do it for me but I'll give them that it was at least as varied and full of ideas as Homework. HAA is the same drumkit & same synthesized guitar sound, times ten. They even stated as much when they released it. And for other artists, this creative restriction might've been enough to produce a thrilling record nonetheless... look no further than DFA1979's You're A Woman, I'm A Machine from the same year for proof.
But I feel DP's strength has always been about sound, not composition. They know where to find a good hook, but don't succeed as well in creating one themselves. And the appeal of both Homework and Discovery came from that patchwork of sounds.
Of course, IMHO. Incidentally, the soundtrack for TRON is the first DP output in many years that I'm actually really curious about. I think they can have a great career in scoring movies, tbh.
post #13 of 24
Nice to see that this is still going. I'll get on these picks asap, Chavez.
post #14 of 24
Human After All is enjoyable on the same level Kraftwerk is. It's very cold, but I like it. Most of these "cold" albums are growers... so...

And I'm not comparing Daft Punk to the Fathers of Electro, quality-wise, no matter how much I enjoy Daft Punk.

Funkadelic... goddamn. Thanks Chavez. It really pimped my unemployed morning!
post #15 of 24
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Funkadelic... goddamn. Thanks Chavez. It really pimped my unemployed morning!
I've said it before & I'll say it again... will we ever again witness a bunch of musicians like THIS?
It seems to belong so firmly in another era.
post #16 of 24
Really not a fan of Funkadelic, but Human After All is amazing. Don't quite get the negative press as it's a really dense and interesting sounding piece of work. It's also a lot of fun. Robot Rock is a definite standout, but the entire album is really fucking strong. Interestingly you can hear the roots of the harder, more aggressive, edge that French Dance would take later on with groups like JUSTICE in this album.
post #17 of 24
Need to listen to both some more, but Maggot Brain is amazing. Aside from the title track, which I knew pretty well going in, I was expecting a bunch of solid, but repetitive, up-tempo funk stuff like "Flash Light" and "Tear the Roof Off the Sucker". Turns out it's quite a bit more varied than that, with (as Chavez mentioned) "Super Stupid" a big standout.
post #18 of 24
How is it possible not to like Funkadelic?

I already owned Maggot Brain, so I've been rocking it pretty non-stop. "Back In Our Minds" is the track that's grown on me the most during latest spin(s). Weird and wonderful! <Nothing tops the insane title track tho>
post #19 of 24
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Need to listen to both some more, but Maggot Brain is amazing. Aside from the title track, which I knew pretty well going in, I was expecting a bunch of solid, but repetitive, up-tempo funk stuff like "Flash Light" and "Tear the Roof Off the Sucker". Turns out it's quite a bit more varied than that, with (as Chavez mentioned) "Super Stupid" a big standout.
Seriously Dave, any rock fan should make the effort to delve into the first five or so Funkadelic albums. They're essentially very solid rock records with an augmented groove. That's what put Clinton & co. ahead of the pack of contemporary funk artists- not satisfied with a couple of killer grooves & filler for the rest. It's a shame he has turned P-Funk All Stars into a jukebox nowadays, cause in the seventies he was an experimentalist on par with Bowie, brilliant at working out a concept for his music. In fact, the same goes for most Parliament albums imo, even the later ones like Motorbooty Affair.
post #20 of 24
There was absolutely nothing else like them around at the time, they just loaded themselves up on acid and just went on a fucking trip, they just happened to make great music while doing it.

'Standing on the verge of getting it on' is probably the last truly great record they made, it's a shame Gary Snider had to follow in the shadow of Eddie Hazel because he does some fantastic work on this record, the title track is stellar.
post #21 of 24
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'Standing on the verge of getting it on' is probably the last truly great record they made, it's a shame Gary Snider had to follow in the shadow of Eddie Hazel because he does some fantastic work on this record, the title track is stellar.
Whoa there, while 'Standing...' is out- erm, "standing", don't forget 'Let's Take It To The Stage', which is the last in the discography to have equal parts funk and rock to it. It has some of the best song arrangements, it contains the template for Bootsy's goofy funkballads he'd later develop ('Be My Beach') AND it has a great psychedelic workout with the fabulous title 'No Head No Backstage Pass'. Plus like I said, the finale 'Atmosphere' is essentially Bernie Worrel's 'Maggot Brain'.
After that, they started crossing over to the popfunk template that would be put to better use in Parliament. The main difference between the two bands became the fact that Parliament used horns, where Funkadelic used none.
post #22 of 24
I'm trying with Funkadelic I really am, I've just never been a fan of that Brian Setzer style guitar gymnastics that a lot of the album falls into. Technically speaking the band is incredible, it's just that I'm not feeling it.
post #23 of 24
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I'm trying with Funkadelic I really am, I've just never been a fan of that Brian Setzer style guitar gymnastics that a lot of the album falls into. Technically speaking the band is incredible, it's just that I'm not feeling it.
Brian Setzer?
post #24 of 24
I was watching Once Upon A Time in Mexico last night and Malaguena is the first thing that came to mind to describe the sound. I literally have no way of describing my issue with funkadelic, all I can say is that it's like a Jazz musician playing electric guitar. They get so caught up with strumming and jiving that I lose interest in the overall piece.
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