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Britain no longer has the moral high ground on the whole 'gun crime' thing

post #1 of 20
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Yikes

Some guy in Cumbria just went and shot 12 people to death and wounded another two dozen.

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A friend who he had met the previous evening, Peter Leder, said Bird had told him: "You won't see me again."
A fellow taxi driver, who did not want to be named, said Bird had argued with colleagues on the evening before the attack three of his colleagues had been shot, two fatally.
He said: "All of the taxi drivers were friends. But I heard last night there was an argument on the taxi rank.
"I don't know what caused it, but something must have happened last night. Derrick Bird took off in his car and went home. I don't know what time of night it was."
Cumbria shootings map
Armed with two weapons - a .22 rifle and a shotgun - Bird drove down the coast from Whitehaven where the first attacks took place, leaving a trail of carnage in his wake.
Residents of the county were warned to stay indoors as police followed the deadly route, discovering more bodies as they went. At one point Bird abandoned his Citroen Picasso for another car which he then crashed near woods in the picturesque Lake District town of Boot. The body of Bird, a 52 year-old divorced father-of-two, together with his guns were found nearby.
Throughout the afternoon witnesses came forward with harrowing tales of the trail of destruction left by Bird.
In addition to two people in Whitehaven - one of whom as named locally as Darren Rewcastle -, other victims are believed to included Garry Purdham, a farmer working in a field alongside a road where the killer passed, a woman out shopping and a man in Egrement crossing a bridge. Reports suggest a door-to-door salesman, a cyclist, a pub landlord were also hit.
Witnesses described how some victims were shot multiple times as they tried to flee. A number of the dead were said to have been shot in the head at point blank range.
Police said they were struggling to cope with the scale of the crime.
Detective Constable Stuart Hyde said officers are examining 30 crime scenes.
"Our condolences go out to families and friends of those affected by the horrific incidents that unfolded today," he said.
"These are local people and local police who knew the people killed and injured today.
"It's been a truly exceptional and challenging incident that Cumbria Police has had to deal with today."
David Cameron pledged today to do everything possible to help communities "shattered" by the killing spree.
Updating the Commons at the start of Prime Minister's Questions, he said: "The Government will do everything it possibly can to help the local community and those affected and to keep the House informed.
"When lives and communities are suddenly shattered in this way, our thoughts should be with all those caught up in these tragic events, especially the families and friends of those killed or injured."
The incident started at a taxi rank in Duke Street, Whitehaven, a picturesque port on the west coast of Cumbria.
Local people first raised the alarm at 10.35am after shots were fired into a car.
Alan Hannah, 68, of Great Broughton, told the Whitehaven News: "A car pulled up on the left, stopping at the lights.
"I saw a man with a large shotgun and his windscreen was smashed. I drove through the red light to get into Lowther Street and get out of the way. I got home safely but was very shaken."
Bird then fled by car, with witnesses reporting seeing him hanging out of the driver's window with a shotgun. With the police in pursuit, he passed the nuclear powerstation at Sellafield, which was temporarily locked down, on his deadly journey.
From Whitehaven, Bird headed to Egremont where he killed at least two more people, before passing through Gosforth and Seascale, leaving more bodies in his wake.
A man reported finding the body of another of Bird's victims - a woman in her 60s carrying shopping bags - outside his house in Egremont.
Billy Boakes, 23, did not see the shooting but heard two gunshots at around 11am.
He said: "I thought nothing of it at first, I thought it was just a trailer banging as it went down the lane but then I looked out the front window two minutes later and saw a car and a push bike parked up and thought there had been an accident.
"I went outside and saw the body of the woman lying outside my house."
At the small hamlet of Boot, as terrified locals hid in the village pub, Bird abandoned his transport and fled on foot.
The vicar of Eskdale, the Rev Anne Baker, said she heard that two people had a lucky escape when they approached him after the collision to see if they could help.
She said police were tracing the gunman's route to the wood where he apparently shot himself, hoping not to find any more victims.
post #2 of 20
Jesus. Eskdale is the quietest, loveliest place I've ever been in Britain, about an hour from my parents' place. Its the furthest you can get from this sort of thing. Scary stuff.
post #3 of 20
Just been on another forum where a poster supposedly used to know this guy and said he was a really nice, normal bloke.

It's scary how people can just snap and decide to go on the rampage.
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
As horrific as it is, I can't help but imagine him giving the usual cabbie banter as he guns people down. And it cracks me up everytime.

"Ah the government eh, raising taxes, letting them immigrants over here...they're having a LAARRFFF....'scuse me"

BLAM
post #5 of 20
I can't get my head round this, it's insane.
post #6 of 20
I live in Cumbria, so I have been checking up on any friends I have in the area and also fielding calls from out of town friends who aren't quite sure how far away I was from all this (we were safe because not even gun wielding manaics would waste their time coming here).

12 people, that's insane... It was 5 this morning and even that was shocking.

Who the hell lets a taxi driver own a gun, anyway? They made an entire fucking movie about why that's not a good idea!
post #7 of 20
Really sorry to hear, guys.
post #8 of 20
Still really in shock about this. Been watching BBC news for hours and it's really hard to comprehend that this happened here...
post #9 of 20
Why do they lose the moral high ground on gun crime? Because they had a shooting? They still have 99% less gun crime by population than we do, right?
post #10 of 20
I grew up in cumbria, not all that far away. It was a kick in the gut hearing about it, not least because it happened in one of the most unassuming, mellow places in the country. One of those horrific freak events that you can't really prepare for or do a great deal about.
post #11 of 20
Never would've happened with Nicholas Angel on the beat.

Oh God I'm going to Hell
post #12 of 20
Awful. But this type of incident has only happened 3 times in the last 30 years. That's obviously 3 times too many, but still far less than the US. And I don't know that British people claim the moral high ground, more like we claim it's common sense that lax gun laws and lots of guns plus outdated wild-west mentality means there is a higher possibilty of fatal gun crime.
post #13 of 20
I still want to know how he managed to purchase two high powered sniper rifles.
post #14 of 20
Well it just goes to show you, no matter how quiet or sophisticated you think the place you live might be, there are always crazies if you scratch a little beneath the surface.
Crazies are EVERYWHERE.
Next time you go walk around somewhere, take a mental tally, I know I encounter at least 3 or 4 people when I'm out and about I could see pulling this kind of madness.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post
I still want to know how he managed to purchase two high powered sniper rifles.
? According to BBC News he had a shotgun and a rifle. Nothing about sniper gear.
post #16 of 20
Some of the witnesses saif the rifles had sniper scopes on them. They said it was like a James Bond gun.

Obviously not the pen gun Connery used against Fatima Bush in NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN.
post #17 of 20
He was shooting people in the face at point-blank range. Weird that he'd have sniper scopes. But then, strapping a scope onto a shotgun and a garden-variety rifle doesn't suddenly make him Barry Pepper.
post #18 of 20
Maybe he had one of these:
post #19 of 20
Yeah they guy on BBC news last night said he had two sniper rifles and one was so big it was a tall as him. He was proabaly exaggerating though.
post #20 of 20
I just read on msnbc that he had a shotgun and a .22 rifle. A .22 rifle is hardly "high powered". Addition of a scope doesn't really do much for it. I think we can stop refering to this guys arsenal as "sniper rifles".

In the UK, the firearms laws are already extremely draconian and require licensing and professional training to own a rifle and handguns are totally banned. So there isn't too much more they could really do to take guns away from people.

This seems to be a case where the perp was very adept at handling the guns that he had and was also very motivated to achieve a high body count. It's difficult to identify and stop these people beforehand without even more draconian laws against personal freedoms. He's just another regular guy who snapped.
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