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post #151 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello View Post
Would you be looking above you after crawling under a tank, with zombies closing in on you? I thought it was perfectly believable, and shows just how close to the edge these characters are at all times.
I'm with Alex. Actually, I thought this sequence was pretty frightening - especially when the zombies in front drop down and start crawling towards him. He's pretty occupied, to say the least. It's only when he gives up, resigns to cap himself, does he see a way out. I thought this entire sequence, from the helicopter mirrored against the building to the radio message at the end, was fantastic.

Anyway, now I understand the title of the episode better: "Horse: Main Course."
post #152 of 1981
I guess the thing that surprised me the most was the fluidity of some of the zombie motion. Whether it's the dropping to one knee to get under the tank, or the girl picking up the teddy bear, there are some things that kind of stick out to me as more sophisticated and requiring better motor control than you often see in 'slow' zombie movies.

I enjoyed the episode but had two friends over watching it as well and we were talking a bit so I wasn't at 100% attention. I think I'll probably need to watch the episode again.
post #153 of 1981
I think the horse was named "Choke On 'Em." Horses have such funny names.
post #154 of 1981
Did the comic start off so clunky? The diologue was especially stiff. Don't think we needed the cop action prelude, or at least if you're gonna start off that way have hints of the zombie apocalypse beginning as backdrop. His being shot could have been shown in quick flashback, and the cold opening of main character awakening to the end of the world would have set the mood more effectively.

All in all, a great pilot, and I look forward to seeing where it goes from here.
post #155 of 1981
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Originally Posted by dontEATnachos View Post
I guess the thing that surprised me the most was the fluidity of some of the zombie motion. Whether it's the dropping to one knee to get under the tank, or the girl picking up the teddy bear, there are some things that kind of stick out to me as more sophisticated and requiring better motor control than you often see in 'slow' zombie movies.
I agree, and it made them all the more creepy for me. The zombie mom turning the doorknob at the home is another example, as if they are capable of a bit of familiar behavior from their lives before they turned.
post #156 of 1981
I *loved* the look up moment under the tank. It played out exactly the way it would in real life, with no need for slo-mo or lingering shots. That's something I always want to see more of in movies and TV--reactions to things that play out in real-time, which means they go by really fast and subtle. Unless it really needs to be clarified, why beat the audience over the head?
post #157 of 1981
We also see what appears to be a zombie with a rock in the next episode in the previews. He's standing behind others banging on the glass doors.

And Misfit, the horse was just fine. What we didn't see when the horse fell down is him rolling and knocking out some guys posing as zombies, and then running away to safety as the real zombies began devouring the innards of the human actors.

The horse is currently running free and wild in open plains and stunningly picturesque coastlines.

That's might story, and I'm sticking it.
(I'll also give out hugs if it'll make you feel better)
post #158 of 1981
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Originally Posted by gobblox View Post
The zombie mom turning the doorknob at the home is another example ...
I loved that bit.
post #159 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Wayward_Woman View Post
We also see what appears to be a zombie with a rock in the next episode in the previews. He's standing behind others banging on the glass doors.
Hey, if it worked for Bill Heinzman...
post #160 of 1981
Just rewatched. Loved the pacing on a second viewing. Especially love him coming to the farmhouse and finding the people dead by suicide. Then the great "deal" he makes with the horse. And I really felt bad for Bicycle Girl zombie and Lennie James this time. I love the idea of people not being able to let go of their zombified loved ones.

The quick suicide beat under the tank didn't bother me that much, I just feel like it needed an extra second or something. But I can see what Darabont was going for, what you guys are pointing out. It's the split-second between life and death in this world.

Legitimate gripe: The song at the end. I didn't like it. I get that they lyrics were mirroring the scene, but I don't care. It was bad. I'm used to bad songs in TV shows now though, not terribly egregious.
post #161 of 1981
Revolver was a really bad choice for a sidearm.
post #162 of 1981
Thread Starter 
AMC's The Walking Dead premiere ratings are enormous: The 90-minute Halloween night premiere delivered 5.3 million viewers.

That's the largest audience for any cable series premiere on any network this year.

It's also the highest premiere numbers for any series in AMC's history.
post #163 of 1981
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
Revolver was a really bad choice for a sidearm.
As a survivalist he was horrible. He packed 9000 guns, no gas cans filled with gas, no cans of food. I mean, he knows EXACTLY how far away Atlanta is from his town. "cruiser gets x miles per gallon.. I need 15 extra gallons to make it, let me go get some of those gas cans off the Humvee's by the hospital"

Also, why wouldn't you pick the police station as your place of fortification? It has hot water from propane. There must be thousands of houses with propane tanks, you're set for hot water for at least a year if you ration that shit.

As everyone else said, loved it but it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to be chasing down his missing wife based on what we saw in the series. His kid... sure but his wife? There were no flashes of her visiting him at the hospital.. no flowers from her (just his partner) they apparently had a huge fight before he was shot that had him upset. I get they wanted the big shock that she was kissing another guy, his partner none-the-less but come on...(spoiler) I believe in the comic she boarded up his hospital room and left him a note saying she went to Atlanta... I mean, thats love!

Loved a lot about the show but some missteps for sure.
post #164 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Dr. Murder View Post
AMC's The Walking Dead premiere ratings are enormous: The 90-minute Halloween night premiere delivered 5.3 million viewers.

That's the largest audience for any cable series premiere on any network this year.

It's also the highest premiere numbers for any series in AMC's history.
This makes me very happy.
post #165 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Dr. Murder View Post
AMC's The Walking Dead premiere ratings are enormous: The 90-minute Halloween night premiere delivered 5.3 million viewers.

That's the largest audience for any cable series premiere on any network this year.

It's also the highest premiere numbers for any series in AMC's history.
here's hoping that Chud reports that AMC has greenlit a 2nd season tomorrow!!!
post #166 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
As everyone else said, loved it but it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to be chasing down his missing wife based on what we saw in the series. His kid... sure but his wife? There were no flashes of her visiting him at the hospital.. no flowers from her (just his partner) they apparently had a huge fight before he was shot that had him upset.[/COLOR]
Yeah, it's weird that he'd want to find his wife.

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post #167 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
As a survivalist he was horrible. He packed 9000 guns, no gas cans filled with gas, no cans of food.

Also, why wouldn't you pick the police station as your place of fortification? It has hot water from propane. There must be thousands of houses with propane tanks, you're set for hot water for at least a year if you ration that shit.

As everyone else said, loved it but it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to be chasing down his missing wife based on what we saw in the series. His kid... sure but his wife? There were no flashes of her visiting him at the hospital.. no flowers from her (just his partner) they apparently had a huge fight before he was shot that had him upset. I get they wanted the big shock that she was kissing another guy, his partner none-the-less but come on...(spoiler) I believe in the comic she boarded up his hospital room and left him a note saying she went to Atlanta... I mean, thats love!
in all fairness, we don't know how much gas he packed. He might have went through 4 cans before running out. Yeah, he was carrying only one can with him, but there was no way he was carrying back more then one fill can, considering the circumstances.

As for the Police station, I was thinking I would have stayed there, but when I thought back, we really don't know how safe it was. Sure, there was a cage for the guns that we saw, and showers, but something that big is asking for trouble. Keep it smaller so you can know if anyone broke in. Plus, having a child that young, it's probably best to keep him in an enivorment he is somewhat used to, that being a home, with a bed. Also, being in a nieghbor hood, might give you multiple places to look for other supplies such as food, clothing, etc...

Being a father myself, I would have done the same thing. First clue I get to where he might be, I'm off. Without his son, and probably his wife, he was probably thinking "whats the point of living".

Do we know how long he was in the hospital before the outbreak? A day? Week? Month?
post #168 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
As a survivalist he was horrible. He packed 9000 guns, no gas cans filled with gas, no cans of food.

Also, why wouldn't you pick the police station as your place of fortification? It has hot water from propane. There must be thousands of houses with propane tanks, you're set for hot water for at least a year if you ration that shit.

As everyone else said, loved it but it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to be chasing down his missing wife based on what we saw in the series. His kid... sure but his wife? There were no flashes of her visiting him at the hospital.. no flowers from her (just his partner) they apparently had a huge fight before he was shot that had him upset. I get they wanted the big shock that she was kissing another guy, his partner none-the-less but come on...(spoiler) I believe in the comic she boarded up his hospital room and left him a note saying she went to Atlanta... I mean, thats love!

Loved a lot about the show but some missteps for sure.
Pretty sure they think he's dead. That's what the dialogue at the camp seemed to imply (can't remember what was said exactly.) And I don't recall any indication she never visited him in the hospital. The reason they showed his partner at the hospital is because we weren't supposed to be sure if that was his wife and kid at first (I'm actually surprised they bothered with that considering it became obvious after about two minutes: complete with the shot of the photo for dumb viewers.)

I can't imagine why you would think he wouldn't go after his wife just because they had a fight.
post #169 of 1981
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
here's hoping that Chud reports that AMC has greenlit a 2nd season tomorrow!!!
And that they throw in a second season of RUBICON just for the hell of it!
post #170 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Dr. Murder View Post
That's the largest audience for any cable series premiere on any network this year.
BTW, the numbers are great, but I'm pretty sure the above statement isn't correct. Some shit called RIZZOLI & ISLES, for example, debuted to 7.6 million viewers. And there were a few other sizable cable debuts this year.

EDIT: Looks like it can claim the biggest debut in the coveted 18-49 demographic.
post #171 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Also, why wouldn't you pick the police station as your place of fortification? It has hot water from propane. There must be thousands of houses with propane tanks, you're set for hot water for at least a year if you ration that shit.
I was thinking the same thing at first. But then I remembered that the father and son were planning on striking out on their own after a little target practice/preparation. Makes sense to stick with what they know if they're not planning on sticking around that long.
post #172 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick View Post
Yeah, it's weird that he'd want to find his wife.

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The start of the series made it sound like their marriage was on the rocks. She didn't visit him in the hopital and left him no clue as to where she was going. This doesn't strike me as a love story that would make a guy wade through a post apocolpytic zombie wasteland to be reunited with his soulmate.

Just sayin!
post #173 of 1981
Uh, also because he was just using that as an excuse because he knew he had to go back and deal with his zombified wife? Do you really think he was worried about target practice?
post #174 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
The start of the series made it sound like their marriage was on the rocks. She didn't visit him in the hopital and left him no clue as to where she was going. This doesn't strike me as a love story that would make a guy wade through a post apocolpytic zombie wasteland to be reunited with his soulmate.

Just sayin!
There's absolutely no indication that he and his wife were about to split up. In fact after he got shot the first time he was overly concerned with her never finding out because he was worried about her being worried about him. Did you watch the whole thing?
post #175 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
The start of the series made it sound like their marriage was on the rocks. She didn't visit him in the hopital and left him no clue as to where she was going. This doesn't strike me as a love story that would make a guy wade through a post apocolpytic zombie wasteland to be reunited with his soulmate.

Just sayin!
I can I agree with that for the most part, but he's a father too, so I don't think him tracking down his son through a zombie wasteland is too far fetched. Only thing he has at this point, is the hope of finding him alive.
post #176 of 1981
Thread Starter 
More numbers analysis


"All this arty-farty (stuff) aside," "The Walking Dead" writer/producer/director Frank Darabont told me back in the summer, "it’s really fun to see zombies in a show."

More than 5 million people agreed with Darabont on Sunday night, making "The Walking Dead" premiere (you can read my review of it here) the biggest hit in AMC history, and one of the bigger hits on cable, period.

The 90-minute premiere averaged 5.3 million viewers at 10 p.m. on Halloween, a number that goes up to 8.1 million if you add in people who watched the 11:30 p.m. and 1 a.m. airings. That puts it ahead of the 4.8 million who watched the premiere of "Boardwalk Empire," which HBO renewed the next day. (AMC hasn't renewed "The Walking Dead" yet, but at this point, it has to be a formality.) And it puts it well ahead of AMC's other original series; the "Mad Men" season finale, in comparison, drew 2.5 million viewers total, which is less than the 3.6 million viewers in the advertiser-coveted 18-49 year-old demographic, and only slightly ahead of the 2.1 million viewers who were in the even more coveted 18-34 demo.

(Also of demographic note: "The Walking Dead" was a rare scripted series to do better with adults 18-49 than 25-54. Zombies are a young man's game.)


Just because it's great to hear
post #177 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
The start of the series made it sound like their marriage was on the rocks. She didn't visit him in the hopital and left him no clue as to where she was going. This doesn't strike me as a love story that would make a guy wade through a post apocolpytic zombie wasteland to be reunited with his soulmate.

Just sayin!
First off, my man was out of it for like a month. Heavily sedated. Something. Who knows who and who didn't visit him? Why didn't his mom call!?! I think it's safe to assume that wife and kiddo had visited the poor shot-up guy at the hospital. Maybe even more than once!

Then, zombie plague. Reports that the hospital's overrun, destroyed. I guess. Somehow Rip Van slept through it. Perfecting his 28 Days Later impression, possibly.

Anyway, not that hard to understand why he may be looking for both wife and child.
post #178 of 1981
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
in all fairness, we don't know how much gas he packed. He might have went through 4 cans before running out. Yeah, he was carrying only one can with him, but there was no way he was carrying back more then one fill can, considering the circumstances.

As for the Police station, I was thinking I would have stayed there, but when I thought back, we really don't know how safe it was. Sure, there was a cage for the guns that we saw, and showers, but something that big is asking for trouble. Keep it smaller so you can know if anyone broke in. Plus, having a child that young, it's probably best to keep him in an enivorment he is somewhat used to, that being a home, with a bed. Also, being in a nieghbor hood, might give you multiple places to look for other supplies such as food, clothing, etc...

Being a father myself, I would have done the same thing. First clue I get to where he might be, I'm off. Without his son, and probably his wife, he was probably thinking "whats the point of living".

Do we know how long he was in the hospital before the outbreak? A day? Week? Month?
He's living in a house that has his dead wife trying to open the door and causing his son mental anguish on a regular basis. They're sleeping in the living room... not in a bed. Not to mention, he went to the second story of their 'safe house' and started killing zombies after warning about sound and light drawing them close, implying that the house couldn't withstand a zombie assault. This doesn't strike me as someone who is looking out for his son, more of a grieving husband who can't move on. At least he admits this to Rick and his character makes sense. He isn't there until he teaches his son to shoot, he's there until he can muster the strength to put his wife down. Otherwise he would have went WITH Rick who already KNOWS how to shoot and could have watched his back.
post #179 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
He's living in a house that has his dead wife trying to open the door and causing his son mental anguish on a regular basis. They're sleeping in the living room... not in a bed. Not to mention, he went to the second story of their 'safe house' and started killing zombies after warning about sound and light drawing them close, implying that the house couldn't withstand a zombie assault. This doesn't strike me as someone who is looking out for his son, more of a grieving husband who can't move on. At least he admits this to Rick and his character makes sense. He isn't there until he teaches his son to shoot, he's there until he can muster the strength to put his wife down. Otherwise he would have went WITH Rick who already KNOWS how to shoot and could have watched his back.
I took it as target practice more then a "thinning of the numbers" attempt. He did say he was rusty, and that the rifle would help him shake the rust off.

I think him NOT killing his wife's zombie, is causing his son the most mental anguish right now. And even sleeping in a living room, in a house, is more normal, then sleeping in a jail cell? The house probably couldn't take on a full on attack, but from the looks of it outside, there's dozens, not hundreds of zombies in that neighborhood.

Nevertheless, I really hope those characters return later in the series...
post #180 of 1981
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
I took it as target practice more then a "thinning of the numbers" attempt. He did say he was rusty, and that the rifle would help him shake the rust off.

Nevertheless, I really hope those characters return later in the series...
One of the pivial scenes in the entire show. He went upstairs with thier photos, remembered the wife he knew and loved, laughed and cried over their cherished memories and started taking pot shots at zombies trying to drawn as many to his location as possible and even said "where are you" or something to that effect about his wife and had her in his sights for several seconds and broke down crying.. and you thought he went up there to thin the numbers?
post #181 of 1981
He was trying to draw his wife to the house, guys. He was just looking at her pictures- it's not that hard to figure out. He just couldn't get over her and end it all.
post #182 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
One of the pivial scenes in the entire show. He went upstairs with thier photos, remembered the wife he knew and loved, laughed and cried over their cherished memories and started taking pot shots at zombies trying to drawn as many to his location as possible and even said "where are you" or something to that effect about his wife and had her in his sights for several seconds and broke down crying.. and you thought he went up there to thin the numbers?
I never said I though he was thining the numbers, I thought he was up there to down his wife, and to shake off his rust.

I thought you meant, he was trying to kill as many as he could when you wrote: Not to mention, he went to the second story of their 'safe house' and started killing zombies after warning about sound and light drawing them close, implying that the house couldn't withstand a zombie assault
post #183 of 1981
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
Nevertheless, I really hope those characters return later in the series...
I have a feeling that if/when they do, one or both of them is gonna be a zombie.

The scene where his wife is turning the door knob is just so creepy. I think it's the blank look on her face.
post #184 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
Uh, also because he was just using that as an excuse because he knew he had to go back and deal with his zombified wife? Do you really think he was worried about target practice?
Should have said "target practice" I guess!
post #185 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick View Post
First off, my man was out of it for like a month. Heavily sedated. Something. Who knows who and who didn't visit him? Why didn't his mom call!?! I think it's safe to assume that wife and kiddo had visited the poor shot-up guy at the hospital. Maybe even more than once!

Then, zombie plague. Reports that the hospital's overrun, destroyed. I guess. Somehow Rip Van slept through it. Perfecting his 28 Days Later impression, possibly.

Anyway, not that hard to understand why he may be looking for both wife and child.
Assumption! How awesome is that. Great writing where the audience has to assume something.

I'm goin to assume that she was having an affair the entire time of the marriage and the kid is actually his partners and she just couldn't tell Rick and then he was shot and that made things easier on her and thats why the partner brought him flowers, out of guilt!. I mean, that is after all what we're supposed to do with assumptions make leaps of logic, right? Keep in mind, I don't believe what I wrote but it makes just as much sense as what you're suggesting. The problem is sloppy writing. The whole of the show is great but as I said, there are missteps.
post #186 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Assumption! How awesome is that. Great writing where the audience has to assume something.

I'm goin to assume that she was having an affair the entire time of the marriage and the kid is actually his partners and she just couldn't tell Rick and then he was shot and that made things easier on her and thats why the partner brought him flowers, out of guilt!. I mean, that is after all what we're supposed to do with assumptions make leaps of logic, right? Keep in mind, I don't believe what I wrote but it makes just as much sense as what you're suggesting. The problem is sloppy writing. The whole of the show is great but as I said, there are missteps.
I think they avoided that to make the scene where he pulls down the visor to see his family picture, shocking. Didn't work, but I agree, the whole wife plot right now is pretty sloppy.

I think the whole wife cheating on him story, would be better served if she just went along with Rick's partners advances, becuase he was the alpha male, and it was better to get on his good side, for the sake of the son, then to piss him off.

Also, showing this soon, that his wife is having a thing with his partner, it's going to make the audience not like here. Should have been a revelation later in the series that his wife ended up sleeping with him one night on a whim.
post #187 of 1981
There's a zombie apocalypse, your husband's in the hospital in a coma, and you have very little time to think, much less get out of Dodge. Your husband's best friend helps you get out, you and your child survive, and you assume your husband's dead. You certainly can't haul him out of town comatose, he'd only drag you and your child down. So you have to assume the worst. In a stressful situation, you turn to the closest person for comfort. It's not a difficult stretch for his wife to sleep with his friend.
post #188 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
Assumption! How awesome is that. Great writing where the audience has to assume something.
I mean, are you joking?
post #189 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Snaieke View Post
The start of the series made it sound like their marriage was on the rocks. She didn't visit him in the hopital and left him no clue as to where she was going. This doesn't strike me as a love story that would make a guy wade through a post apocolpytic zombie wasteland to be reunited with his soulmate.

Just sayin!
Maybe its just me, but if the last thing I remember before getting shot and waking up in the middle of the zombie apocalypse is that the last thing I said to my wife was overwhelmingly negative, you can best to believe that the first thing I'm going to do is find her and make sure I right that wrong.
post #190 of 1981
Also (going along with this not-your-random-zombies discussion), and maybe I'm over thinking this, but between the turning of the door knob, the scene of the zombie using a rock in the next episode, the little girl picking up the doll...was I stupid for thinking that the zombie wife recognized him when he was aiming at her?

Not to mention that it obviously wasnt the first time zombie wife showed up back at the location she died in judging by the son saying "She's back."

Zombie with some sort of pseudo emotional intelligence/recollection perhaps?
post #191 of 1981
Are people seriously having trouble with a man waking up after the fucking Apocalypse and wanting to find out if his family is OK? Seriously? What is he supposed to do? Go into crazy survivalist mode instantly and fuck everything else? My problems with The Walking Dead comic are numerous but this isn't one of them. At all.

And I agree. The half-zombie was a much more poignant scene than I thought.
post #192 of 1981
Another thing: Since he was told it was safe in Atlanta, why the hell wouldn't he try to get there, both for his own sake, and the possibility of finding his family?

BTW, my wife and I have had some rocky times, with fights that can compare to what he was talking about at the beginning, but it's never ever felt like we were close to splitting up. And with a kid to think about as well? No question at all...
post #193 of 1981
Zombies used tools in NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD. That's not a new thing.
post #194 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
Zombies used tools in NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD. That's not a new thing.
Fuck me...havent seen it in a while.
post #195 of 1981
The very first zombie, no less! Plus, the daughter who shows her mother love in spades.
post #196 of 1981
Thread Starter 
Romero did zombies developing some form of intelligence and being attracted by light and sound in Land. I don't think MUCH in TWD is technically original in the zombie genre, but the execution is fucking superb.
post #197 of 1981
My favorite zombie using tools was the big slimy Tarman zombie in Return of the Living Dead. If I remember correctly, that fucker built a simple machine using a chain and pulley!

Also, the zombies in City of the Walking dead enjoyed attacking people with knives, clevers, etc. That movie also featured a reporter who had insane hand to hand martial arts skills that was more effective against zombies than ballistic weaponry, and there was an unplugged tv that exploded into a fireball when thrown. It also had one of the most fall out of my chair laughing and facepalming endings I've ever seen.

Spoiler for hilarious wtf ending to City of the Walking dead:
Just as the main character is about to be devoured by zombies, we get a scene of him waking up in bed, and it was all a dream. Then, we are treated to a scene of the beginning of the movie where an airplane lands and zombies emerge. Freeze-frame and big text that says "THE NIGHTMARE BECOMES REAL" appears on the screen.

Why did I just feel the need to type all that...
post #198 of 1981
Part of the "charm" of the comics is that none of these people are survivalists, they are just survivors, they make mistakes (hoo-boy do they ever), and learn to become survivalists by trial and error. If they were all suddenly mcguyver and able to cope with everything straight away there'd be no human story. And remember this is a human story, not just another zombie yarn.

i would have walked my ass to atlanta if i thought there was even a chance my wife was there, rocky relationship or not

here's hoping it can sustain the numbers and get the next series cranked out quickly because 6 aint enough.
post #199 of 1981
2nd season was just greenlit according to some news outlets... awesome news
post #200 of 1981
It's interesting how they're addressing the marriage, and friendship for that matter, on the show compared to the comic. Especially the two of them shooting the shit in the beginning.

As much as I want to point out the differences and why they're likely being made, I can't in fear of spoilers for those who haven't read it (which looks like there's a few of you here). Suffice it to say, I can see why for TV but it'll be really interesting to see how far they take it.
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