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post #1551 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:07am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Completely disagree.
I agree with your disagreement.
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post #1552 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:10am
I'll echo the love for the finale.

And I have absolutely no problem waiting till next October for season two. Hell, I'm fine with another 6-7 episode run if they maintain this quality.
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post #1553 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:18am
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Originally Posted by fuzzy dunlop View Post
Really like how we're sympathizing with Shane a little more. The show does a great job of juggling both Rick and Shane as flawed heroes.
I wonder who you mean by "we," because fuck Shane. After Shane's rapey hands incident in the CDC, I'm calling bullshit if he lives to see the end of the second season.

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
If this season ends with the end of the countdown and a cut to credits, I'm going to be pissed.
I'm so glad they didn't end with a cliffhanger.

As much as I've chuckled over the posts here complaining about characters behaving unrealistically, I was genuinely surprised that more of the characters didn't stay and take advantage of the countdown clock as an opportunity to stop running. I guess that I, the doctor, and the nice lady would just be three crispy critters together.
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post #1554 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:20am
I thought the first half was okay, but they stepped it up in the second half. Some actors are better than others, and I found most people's big scenes to be completely unaffecting. Then Dale called Andrea out for being selfish and I started to tear up*. So yeah, I'm invested in the show. I want to see them survive.

*Though I was immediately taken out of the moment once they they avoided a nuclear fire ball by ducking behind some sand bags!
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post #1555 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:20am
I can't fathom why enyone enjoys spending time with these terrible characters.
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post #1556 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by Reasor View Post
I wonder who you mean by "we," because fuck Shane. After Shane's rapey hands incident in the CDC, I'm calling bullshit if he lives to see the end of the second season.
He was drunk and an emotional wreck, and truly felt bad about it the next day. It doesn't excuse his actions, but I don't think he's a bad person.
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post #1557 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:22am
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer View Post
I can't fathom why enyone enjoys spending time with these terrible characters.
To see them get eaten of course!
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post #1558 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:23am
Do you mean terrible as "unlikeable" or as in "badly written/acted"?
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post #1559 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:25am
From the imax theater cat scan (with some absolutely execrable lines form the scientist), to the ridiculous HAL 9000 rip off, to the show relying on the cast outrunning a fireball for the climax of a season, there was nothing there for me to like. More negative points for reminding me of a Resident Evil cutscene.
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post #1560 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:25am
Probably both. There are some pretty bad actors who can't elevate the really bad dialogue. Some can, though. And those moments keep me interested.
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post #1561 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:25am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Do you mean terrible as "unlikeable" or as in "badly written/acted"?
All of the above.
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post #1562 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:27am
To be fair, they were hunkered down hiding from the fireball, not running from it.
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post #1563 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:27am
"You can't just come into someone's life, get them to care, and then decide to check out." Dale sold the shit out of this.
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post #1564 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:30am
Yeah, that worked like crazy. And I thought they did a nice job making us buy why those who stayed behind chose to do so. Some people just don't have the fortitude to carry on, or lose it along the way.
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post #1565 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:31am
"Beepy Machine = life"- first thing they teach you in cop school.

LOLOLOL at the montage of cliched shower scenes. Shane with the bottle, Andrea in post-trauma shower huddle. Holy shit.

"The French were the last to give up" - pull the other one, Darabont, it's got bells on.
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post #1566 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:32am
Because I expect Shane in that situation to be the picture of calm, rational decision making.
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post #1567 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:32am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Yeah, that worked like crazy. And I thought they did a nice job making us buy why those who stayed behind chose to do so. Some people just don't have the fortitude to carry on, or lose it along the way.
Makes sense for Jenner and Andrea, but I didn't buy jack shit with random Black lady. I just said peace out to her.

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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
"Beepy Machine = life"- first thing they teach you in cop school.

LOLOLOL at the montage of cliched shower scenes. Shane with the bottle, Andrea in post-trauma shower huddle. Holy shit.

"The French were the last to give up" - pull the other one, Darabont, it's got bells on.
Yup. That was the terrible first half I was talking about. So bad.
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post #1568 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:33am
I'm surprised so many people seemed to like this. Pretty predictable episode. Downright boring and didn't serve to push the show forward at all. They choose to keep surviving. I mean, I get that's the show (what it takes to survive in this world) but thematically it really hasn't taken us any further then where it was in the pilot.

I suspect that unless season two raises the stakes, people will eventually realize how monotonous it is and grow restless with it.

The black woman...did anyone really care? I mean, I'm not even sure I knew her name. And her choices is unmotivated by anything we've seen her do on the show (mostly because we haven't seen her do anything on the show).

And I hate to be that guy, but the chances of them reaching the Center for Disease Control a DAY BEFORE it's set to fucking BLOW UP? Come on.
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post #1569 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:33am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Makes sense for Jenner and Andrea, but I didn't buy jack shit with random Black lady. I just said peace out to her.
It was more with her at the end with Jenner. She had a look of calm about her that really sold she thought she'd made the right choice.
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post #1570 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
To be fair, they were hunkered down hiding from the fireball, not running from it.
Evacuate from, fleeing, whatever. The central dramatic point of this episode was literally a ticking time bomb. Also, loved that other hacky bit of business: the mysterious whisper. Jesus.
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post #1571 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:35am
Yeah the action movie "jump out of the way of explosion at the last second and be unaffected by it even though it's a MASSIVE fireball and we're right next to it" moment was silly. Other silly parts: Jenner explaining life, death, and undeath; between the screen, his delivery, and the music it felt to me like a keynote speech at the TED Conference. Then the shower montage when it cuts to Shane chugging a bottle of wine. I literally laughed out loud. Finally, the cold open. I'm glad Shane really believed Rick was dead, and I get they were going for that moment of panic, but the specific way it was aged felt silly. Shane is so dumb he thinks the second the machine goes off Rick is dead? Again, it's not completely unbeliebanks given the circumstances, but the scene just didn't play right to me.

But as I said I still enjoyed it overall. Liked that scene between Dale and Andrea, and the second half (aside from the big CGI explosion) was intense. The question posed was interesting and reminded me of THE MIST.
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post #1572 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:35am
Well, you made it sound like it was a Michael Bay run-down-the-hallway type scene.
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post #1573 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:36am
Jesus, did no one see Shane check for a heartbeat? He didn't just see the machine go off and decide to get out of there. He even says as much to Lori.
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post #1574 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:37am
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
LOLOLOL at the montage of cliched shower scenes. Shane with the bottle, Andrea in post-trauma shower huddle. Holy shit.
If the first and last episodes have taught us anything its that when the apocalypse comes we'll really look forward to a hot shower.
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post #1575 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:37am
Of course I saw (and heard), it still felt silly to me. The execution, not the concept.
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post #1576 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:40am
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Originally Posted by MikeShaynePI View Post
If the first and last episodes have taught us anything its that when the apocalypse comes we'll really look forward to a hot shower.
Having spent 6 weeks in a foreign country without hot showers, let me tell you its AMAZING!

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Originally Posted by Dan Benenson View Post
Of course I saw (and heard), it still felt silly to me. The execution, not the concept.
The actor is terrible. It could have worked with someone who could sell the scene.
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post #1577 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:41am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
It was more with her at the end with Jenner. She had a look of calm about her that really sold she thought she'd made the right choice.
I hope when my time comes there's a magical negro stereotype to make my shuffling off this mortal coil seem more spiritual. Farewell, stoic character who had maybe five lines this season. May you be reunited with your vibrator in Valhalla.

And called TS-19 as Jenner's wife halfway though his first sentence describing TS-19.

As I said in the Boardwalk Empire thread, watch these finales in reverse if you're DVRing.
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post #1578 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Jesus, did no one see Shane check for a heartbeat? He didn't just see the machine go off and decide to get out of there. He even says as much to Lori.
And he didn't hear one. But has the presence of mind to know he might not have heard one because of all the gunfire. It's a terrible scene.
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post #1579 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Jesus, did no one see Shane check for a heartbeat? He didn't just see the machine go off and decide to get out of there. He even says as much to Lori.
The world's going to hell, zombies are everywhere, the military decides to go apeshit and start shooting people with no rhyme or reason and your best friend is in a coma. It's only logical that he should have gotten some bloodwork and maybe rolled him down for a MRI.

I don't understand some of the criticisms about this show. I can understand finding fault in standard tropes or subpar performances but some of the barbs leveled by people smell to me like a generation of genre fans indoctrinated with zombie films and literature who are viewing this series through the prism of "What I would do".

And I totally get that. Hell, I do that when watching this show but you gotta let go and try to enjoy the experience a bit.
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post #1580 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post

As I said in the Boardwalk Empire thread, watch these finales in reverse if you're DVRing.
I thought the same thing and wish I had.
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post #1581 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:45am
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
And called TS-19 as Jenner's wife halfway though his first sentence describing TS-19.
Yeah, pretty predictable. Also, was I the only one not interested in what it does to your brain? If I were there, I'd be asking about how the outbreak started and the path it took to spread. That will tell you more about the nature of the situation than confirmation that Amy was not trying to caress her sister's face because Amy no longer existed.
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post #1582 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:45am
The actor playing Shane: I wouldn't go so far as to say terrible, but yeah, not great, and maybe that is why it didn't work for me. But I think what Phil says about bleep bleep machine = life is more that Shane should know better than to think the machines are keeping him alive at all. He shouldn't have to check for a heartbeat, of course Rick is alive. But there's panic, things are going to shit, maybe a little cowardice - I get it. Maybe on some unconscious level he just convinced himself Rick was dead. And yet it still didn't play right for me. So yeah, maybe it was just the performance. I'll have to see how I feel when I watch again.
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post #1583 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:49am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
The world's going to hell, zombies are everywhere, the military decides to go apeshit and start shooting people with no rhyme or reason and your best friend is in a coma. It's only logical that he should have gotten some bloodwork and maybe rolled him down for a MRI.

I don't understand some of the criticisms about this show. I can understand finding fault in standard tropes or subpar performances but some of the barbs leveled by people smell to me like a generation of genre fans indoctrinated with zombie films and literature who are viewing this series through the prism of "What I would do".

And I totally get that. Hell, I do that when watching this show but you gotta let go and try to enjoy the experience a bit.
Come on man, I love the show and I've been very forgiving of the minor flaws, because I've been enjoying the experience so much and feel they get a lot right. But sometimes not everything is going to work for everyone. Why do discussions like this always have to turn into some stark us vs. them divide?
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post #1584 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:52am
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Yeah, pretty predictable. Also, was I the only one not interested in what it does to your brain? If I were there, I'd be asking about how the outbreak started and the path it took to spread. That will tell you more about the nature of the situation than confirmation that Amy was not trying to caress her sister's face because Amy no longer existed.
That whole, endless, boring sequence felt like a postcard to fanboys who want to know more about what the outbreak is, or what started it or whatever the fuck. As if that were important.
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post #1585 of 1981
12/6/10 at 1:58am
I loved it when the doc starts describing the subject, and Andrea blurts out "Who is it?", as if knowing who the volunteer was would mean something to her. "Oh, that's Frank, from accounting. Happy now?"
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post #1586 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:00am
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Originally Posted by Dan Benenson View Post
Come on man, I love the show and I've been very forgiving of the minor flaws, because I've been enjoying the experience so much and feel they get a lot right. But sometimes not everything is going to work for everyone. Why do discussions like this always have to turn into some stark us vs. them divide?
I don't consider it an "us vs. them" divide. I don't think what I said was true for everyone. But it's an undercurrent in some of the criticism (and this isn't contained solely to Chud nor is it applicable for every critique raised) leveled at this show that I believe exists. And I tend to sense it more in the people who gravitate towards genre material.

I find flaws or things I don't like but it doesn't detract from the overall enjoyment of the experience. That doesn't mean I'm right or anyone else is wrong. I just think for some years upon years of "Zombies" has ingrained something in a segment of people who are naturally attracted to this show to start nitpicking at things not because they don't work within the framework of the plot or narrative but because it doesn't jive with what they want to happen or decisions they would make.
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post #1587 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:01am
I still can't get over the countdown clock thing. I would have liked it better if the last episode had the gang rolling up to the Disease Center, full of hope, and it just blew up without any warning. They were less than a day off from that happening, after all.
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post #1588 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
I find flaws or things I don't like but it doesn't detract from the overall enjoyment of the experience. That doesn't mean I'm right or anyone else is wrong. I just think for some years upon years of "Zombies" has ingrained something in a segment of people who are naturally attracted to this show to start nitpicking at things not because they don't work within the framework of the plot or narrative but because it doesn't jive with what they want to happen or decisions they would make.
Zombies barely factored into this episode and it was still incredibly dumb. I've liked a few of the other episodes and think some have worked better then others, but this was a really bad finale.
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post #1589 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:07am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
I just think for some years upon years of "Zombies" has ingrained something in a segment of people who are naturally attracted to this show to start nitpicking at things not because they don't work within the framework of the plot or narrative but because it doesn't jive with what they want to happen or decisions they would make.
That's probably true. My criticisms are more based upon things that I found to be creatively stilted, clumsy in execution to the point you end up questioning whether it's reasonable human behavior.

And I think inserting reasonable human behavior into the proceedings is how this show will live or die. They're not selling us Resident Evil bullet time fantasy world. By the own guidelines they've set up, they're not given a "Guys, it's zombies stop nitpicking!!!" pass. And to their credit, it's the amount of times they've made it work for them that makes the goofy shit stand out.
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post #1590 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:13am
Well I'm solidly in the middle. There were some bad bits (the aforementioned shower montage in particular), but it kept me interested, at least. I'd give the season a B-; slightly higher if I was including network TV in the curve.
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post #1591 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:27am
I think some of you are overlooking the fact that Shane was on his knees asking God for a sign and he got one a few seconds later in the form of an explosion that knocks out the machines, he checked for a pulse in a panic and didn't find one, thinking Rick for dead (Personally, i don't really believe in god but in a zombie outbreak like that I'd take that for a sign to whether god was involved or not).

I thought it was a great finale. Some great tension throughout. It ended the way i thought it would too. With them driving out back onto the road.

And I don't see whats wrong with the French being the last to not give up. Its ironic and funny. And the guy who plays Shane is good. He's not phenomenal or anything but its not terrible.
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post #1592 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:30am
I was really hoping they'd just kill the lot of em so we could start fresh with S2. Maybe that was just me.
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post #1593 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
That's probably true. My criticisms are more based upon things that I found to be creatively stilted, clumsy in execution to the point you end up questioning whether it's reasonable human behavior.

And I understand those kind of criticisms Phil. I may not agree with them but I can understand them. Execution is a very, very relevant thing.
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post #1594 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:43am
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Zombies barely factored into this episode and it was still incredibly dumb. I've liked a few of the other episodes and think some have worked better then others, but this was a really bad finale.
"really bad" is something I can't go with you on. Uneven? I can get behind that because there were some performances and decisions that let me down. The grenade thing (while I liked the setup and the payoff) was incredibly illogical. Dues Ex Grenada.

And fuck T-Dogg and his powdered eggs.
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post #1595 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:43am
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Originally Posted by JGButler View Post
I was really hoping they'd just kill the lot of em so we could start fresh with S2. Maybe that was just me.
I was actually thinking the same thing. It'd be incredibly brave if each season focused on a new set of survivors.
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post #1596 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:47am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
"really bad" is something I can't go with you on. Uneven? I can get behind that because there were some performances and decisions that let me down.
It was more then uneven. The series is uneven. I think this was the worst episode of the series so far. And it was the finale. So that's pretty bad. The finale's where the show should have kicked some ass and pushed the show forward. That didn't happen. Rather then using the situation at the disease center for drama, giving the survivors a real choice to fight over, the show boiled down to "stay here and die or die eventually out there...with bleak, bleak, hope!" That's not really all that new of a thing on this show. And the fact that the guy lets them in in the first place is doubly ridiculous. I know he was obviously conflicted when opening the door last week, but would he really open it if the place was going to blow up IN A DAY!?!? Again, come on!
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post #1597 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:55am
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Originally Posted by Bancroft Agee View Post
"really bad" is something I can't go with you on.
Not a snarky question, but an honest one: Why? Sell me on it. As it stands, a finale for a TV show should a) set you up on a new strand or tangent for season 2 while b) closing off the arc for season 1 in terms of the narrative (even if that arc is really just a tangential thread for the over-arching story) and c) offer up a satisfactory emotional payoff for a thematic through line.

We didn't have any of those things. With what happened tonight, we might as well be getting another episode next week. There was nothing about that finale that felt like a satisfying cap to the previous six episodes. It was JUST an episode. And not even one of the better ones. I liked some things...well...I liked Bernthal's performance in thew rec room aaaaaaaaand that's about it. Everything else was decent to shitty. But that's just me (and a few of the other dudes in here) and that's cool. I wanna know why you feel the way you do about it.

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I was actually thinking the same thing. It'd be incredibly brave if each season focused on a new set of survivors.
Right? I was on board with that. AND it would have offered something in all the A, B and C of the above.
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post #1598 of 1981
12/6/10 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post
It was more then uneven. The series is uneven. I think this was the worst episode of the series so far. And it was the finale. So that's pretty bad. The finale's where the show should have kicked some ass and pushed the show forward. That didn't happen. Rather then using the situation at the disease center for drama, giving the survivors a real choice to fight over, the show boiled down to "stay here and die or die eventually out there...with bleak, bleak, hope!" That's not really all that new of a thing on this show. And the fact that the guy lets them in in the first place is doubly ridiculous. I know he was obviously conflicted when opening the door last week, but would he really open it if the place was going to blow up IN A DAY!?!? Again, come on!

I'm willing to give some water to the fact that they didn't really know if the show would be a hit and only really had the six episodes to work with. Yeah, maybe they suspect it might (which is why they setup the "whisper") but I don't know you much you can propel a series forward if you don't have a clue as to if it will even continue on. I know that probably doesn't do much for you but it's part of the reason why I feel the finale was sort of uneven. It was stuck for lack of a better term.

But I gotta disagree. I totally bought why Jenner let them in and why he let them out.
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post #1599 of 1981
12/6/10 at 3:00am
Really liked the low keyness of the finale, and how it would have worked as an ending for the series if it would not have been picked up for a second season. Now I'm going to spend roughly a year wondering what exactly Jenner told Rick. Just like everyone else who loves this show is going to do.

My Dad speculated that Jenner told Rick about another bunker or shelter with possible survivors, and that does sound like a valid thought, despite Jenner pretty much saying everyone else was dead.

Loved the entire season, and looking forward to season 2.
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post #1600 of 1981
12/6/10 at 3:08am
I was so hoping Just Like Honey would start playing after he whispered to Rick.
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