The Walking Dead (AMC + Darabont) - Page 11

I think once zombies start biting some PEOPLE and not just horses, things will pick up. I liked the episode, but some of the conflict felt tacked on for sure. And zombies behind glass trying to get in is just tradition at this point.

Looking forward to the rest, for sure. Because it's a zombie teevee show. And it's, at the very least, better than Harper's Island. Which I kind of dearly love. Even though it's crap.

You love HARPER'S ISLAND for Harry Hamlin, Matchstick. Admit it.

@Joe: I feel like you're going to get a lot of people who disagree with you regarding Glen. Including me. This kind of show really needs a snarky character who can break tension, and to couple that with his street-smarts is a good mix.
Now, in regards to stiff acting, about that zoning department woman...

And here I'd pay $30 a month just for the privilege to watch that show!

I agree; that's a good character to have. But it all felt rushed. Shaun of the Dead succeeded by having real characters. Glen is a cardboard cutout so far.

Glen's had, what? Twenty minutes of screen time? Let's give him a chance to shine. He's a supporting character.

Shit's gonna get buck wild when this thing starts having gimmicky guest-directors. Line em up:

Romero
Wright
Carpenter
Tarantino
Snyder

Come one, come all!

Romero has already expressed his disinterest. You are right though; Darabont wants to go with the guest director route.

I'll tell you this much though -- most of them will be unhappy. My pal Ernest Dickerson directed an episode, and although he enjoyed the experience, he said Frank got a little micro-managy. Ernest is no auteur diva so he rolled with it, but this is Darabont's baby, make no mistake.

LOL, not to get off topic or anything, but both those characters struck me as real representations of people in this society of ours. Go to any midwestern tea party rally and tell me you wouldn't find atleast a handful of racist bastards that would continue that way, even if they were being chased by zombies.

He's really your pal? Is it true he directed pretty much the entire opening city sequence of Day of the Dead?

I haven't seen THE SHIELD, but as for THE MIST...I interpreted that not as sexual tension per se, but two people (albeit damn attractive ones) recognizing a quality person. And you expected something romantic in THE MIST? Really? The situation wasn't really conducive to consummating anything, and it's not like either character had had time to adjust to the idea of having lost a spouse in a pretty horrific way.

And I really like Phil's take - I'm not a zombie "fan" or afficianado. What little of zombie films I've seen I haven't liked (Zombieland excepted). But I'm finding this eminently watchable, and a lot smarter than usual network fare.

Plus headshots.

So I'm digging it, and also I'm willing to let the show find itself as most shows do. Two episodes is not enough to declare the show a lasting triumph or failure.

If that is the case, then Darabont was wise to leave it out of the film. It's rediculous.

Fair enough, but nobody's asking for Sorkin or Mamet-level dialogue.

Jacob, pointing out that Darabont's written some more shitty dialogue in the past doesn't mean it's unfair to criticize and ask for a better effort if he's also written good stuff in his career.

No shit. I'm sure there's also a hooker with a heart of gold out there.

Yes, he's my pal. He's been coming into Cinefile for years and we bonded over our shared love of horror. I was partially responsible for landing him the gig on Walking Dead because he didn't know about it beforehand and I told him to get his agent on it. He did and got the gig.

And yes, he shot the opening sequence of Day.

Absolutely agreed. I was, frankly, relieved no uglies were bumped. Would have been utterly out of character and out of place in time frame and circumstances.

What goes on - and what doesn't - between David and Amanda in THE MIST is one of my favorite things about the movie. Because it feels very real: most of us have met someone of the opposite sex we respect the hell out of, are attracted to, and know the feelings are returned...but do not act on those feelings. Darabont really excels at these believable, human elements to a darkly fantastic horror film.

DEADWOOD was rife with heart-of-gold hookers, and that show got sung to the high heavens with praise towards the writing.

Could've sworn I saw Norman Reedus in next week's episode-promo.

He plays Rooker's brother. Who is also shown in the promo.

I sort of appreciate how a lot of these stock characters are just big broad caricatures. Rooker especially. He feels like he's right out of the pages of Stephen King, which I guess is no coincidence.

Yeah, that was the one, alright.

When the two guys were pretending to be zombies, my wife and I were both thinking: "Imhotep...Imhotep."

I hate to go offtopic, but you should really remedy that. THE SHIELD is amazing.

I didn't even mind the dialogue or the tropes, although the first episode was served so much better by keeping them lean. What bothered me were a few basic problems with the story, like the key tumbling accidentally into the exhaust pipe. Rather than generate conflict from character choices, like the choice to rescue Rooker or keep the key, the story thrusts them into conflict because somebody was clumsy.

There are so many other ways to keep Rooker on the roof, and this one seems like the cheapest. It's an apparently crucial inciting event that now has very little weight, since the rooftop apple dumpling gang would have saved Rooker anyway. There's no accountability, which makes it ultimately uninteresting.

Well, I don't think that's fair necessarily. Guy's running for his life and decides to go back and save Rooker. He butterfingers it, but it's important (at least it's supposed to be) that he tried. And then he HAS to leave. He takes time to lock the door at least...certainly something Rooker's character wouldn't do if the cuff was on the other hand.

I think the mistake the creators of the show make is that while the characters are horrified that Rooker is left behind, we (the audience) could care less. Rooker acts like the biggest, out-of-his-mind ass in town AND nearly beats one of the characters into a coma. Why would they unlock him? Leave him the hacksaw if they feel a little bad, and wish him good luck. "You blew it, Rook. Here's some Bactine for the zombie nips."

The sheriff is going BACK for him next ep?

Right.

I'll watch the whole season; I'm not writing Glenn or the show off. But as a standalone story this episode was weak.

And I agree with Trevor. That tumbling-key scene felt like a cartoon.

EDIT: Specifically I mean the slow motion part.

I think people are judging some of the characters in a strange way. Shane and Lori aren't supposed to be likeable characters. Lori is selfish as hell, and Shane is jealous of Rick, and wants Lori for himself. So how is it so hard to believe that Shane and Lori would hook up? Rick is a good man, but it is entirely believable that he might have married a selfish bitch, and befriended a prick like Shane.

On a side note, I really home they keep Shane's eventual fate from the books.

Note: Edited to hide my spoilery shame.

Yeah, that preview schene where they....... Spoiler vision:tell the Boondock brother makes it look like it's Lori's idea for Rick to go back? That's nice, "Oh Honey, I thought you were dead, I'm so happy to see you again, now get lost!"

Edited to hide more potential spoilers.....I was on a roll.

Having not read the comics and only seen two episodes, I don't know any of their backstories or motivations, so I don't have a problem with this stuff. It seems to be a major storyline so why would it be resolved so quickly?

Should I start a separate thread for people to constantly compare the comics to the show in which they compulsively refer to characters' fates or outcomes the whole time?

yeah, and why we are at it, how the hell did Wolverine become a zombie... um, super mega awesome healing factor anyone?

So how is it normally cool to compare and contrast movies and other shows with the source material, be it books, comics, another show, etc., (For example, check out the Let me In/ Let the Right one in, Harry Potter, Twilight, Trueblood threads) but this time it chaps the hell out of Phil's ass?

I agree 100% with Darabont's decision, but my point was that whenever I see Holden my brain just triggers a "she's probably not going to end up shagging him" reaction.

And yes, I know how stupid applying the arc of two her of previous characters to all of her future work is, but I'm not that bright to begin with.

My problem isn't that the situation is unrealistic, because dropping a key is totally plausible. It's that the show missed an opportunity to create interesting conflict by literally fumbling a character's motivations.

I agree. The onus for Rooker's situation isn't on any of them now.

I see Trevor's point and agree.

Because Phil isn't in to any of those properties?

Walking Dead is is a little different. Anyone can die for the most part. I think a little sensitivity is warranted, even though I think things are going to play out much differently than they do in the comics.

It's a complex formula, but basically it boils down to the difference in the ratio of people who've read the comic and are watching the show (on these boards, I mean) compared to people who've seen Let The Right One In and the remake or the Potter books and films (a much narrower gap - again, on these boards, that is). Add the odds that a film's post-release thread, remake or not, would not be prone to the telegraphing of plot twists people keep doing here.

Multiply that by three franchises I've never seen, divided by a couple of threads I've never read.

Also, I don't particularly care, but stuff like this:

can be considered spoilery.

Fox International Channels (FIC) reveals record breaking audience results for the global launch of

“The Walking Dead”

Following the Stellar Performance in the US on AMC, The Walking Dead’s Worldwide Premiere Breaks Several Records in Multichannel Television

LOS ANGELES (November 7, 2010) – After debuting across 120 countries in Europe, Latin America, Asia and The Middle East, Fox International Channels (FIC) today revealed the record breaking audience results for the global launch of the television series The Walking Dead.

The global premiere of The Walking Dead, scheduled in all FIC markets during the first week of November and in most markets in the 10pm timeslot, delivered ratings as strong as those achieved by the US premiere last Sunday on AMC. In most countries where ratings were available at press time, The Walking Dead was the highest rated program on pay television of the night.

The Walking Dead’s impressive achievements in FIC’s major territories include: outperforming every US cable series premiere in the year or more, building at least 100% in audience over the average by time period and winning its time period among all Pay TV in all markets.

Global Ratings Highlights:

In the UK, TWD delivered 315,000 Adults and was the highest rated show in its time slot on Pay TV, based on live ratings for FX and its multiplex, and becoming the highest rated premiere for a new show on FX in five years. Based on the performance of previous shows, FIC expects the total audience to double once delayed viewing figures are added in.

In Italy, TWD delivered 360,000 viewers with a 17.2% Share of the total viewing on Sky channels, becoming the highest rated show of the night on any Pay TV channel and the second-highest rated performance of any series ever on Fox.

In Spain, TWD delivered 105,000 viewers, with a 10.2% share of viewing on Pay TV channels, becoming the highest rated show in its time slot and the highest rated series premiere on FOX for 2010.

In South East Asia, TWD delivered 380,000 viewers, beating all other Western Channels and obtaining significantly high ratings in Singapore (425% higher than the time slot average) and the Philippines (1,700% higher than the time slot average).

In Mexico, TWD did a 1.8 rating among P18-49, exceeding the time slot average by 230% and winning its time period among all Pay TV.

In Argentina, TWD did a 3.5 rating among P18-49, exceeding the time slot average by 341% and winning its time period among all Pay TV.

In Colombia, TWD did a 2.1 among P18-49, exceeding the time slot average by 176% and winning its time period among all Pay TV.

In Peru, TWD did a 2.1 among P18-49, exceeding the time slot average by 970% and winning its time period among all Pay TV.

In Venezuela, TWD did a 1.2 among P18-44, exceeding the time slot average by 123% and winning its time period among all Pay TV.

In Korea, TWD delivered 57,000 viewers and was the highest rated premiere on Fox this year.

“In just a few months, FIC and AMC have demonstrated the effects of a truly global collaboration resulting in the biggest global launch in TV’s history,” said David Haslingden, CEO and President, Fox International Channels (FIC). “The strong performance results and numbers we are seeing this week, demonstrate the strong appeal of this high quality drama, as well as, the tremendous marketing efforts of our teams worldwide.”

Countless International critics declared The Walking Dead a must watch Television indulgence, “It’s plausibly scripted and impressively shot” (Daily Telegraph), “If you have never been a fan of undead dramas, this may be the one to change your mind. Recommended!” (The Observer), “The Walking Dead is a feast. Dig in – but don’t worry about a knife and a fork” (The Guardian).

The Walking Dead, AMC’s original series, is based on the comic book series written by Robert Kirkman and published by Image Comics. Kirkman serves as an executive producer on the project and three-time Academy Award-nominee Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile) serves as writer, director and executive producer. Gale Anne Hurd (The Terminator, Aliens, Armageddon, The Incredible Hulk), chairman of Valhalla Motion Pictures, serves as Executive Producer. David Alpert from Circle of Confusion serves as Executive Producer. Charles “Chic” Eglee (Dexter, The Shield, Dark Angel) serves as Executive Producer.

“The Walking Dead is Must-Subscribe-To-Pay-TV at its best”, said Hernan Lopez, COO, Fox International Channels. “As our platforms around the world continue to seek exclusive first run series in order to drive subscriptions, we’re thrilled to bring them exactly that, on a massive global scale.”

FIC owns all international rights for The Walking Dead outside of North America and recently hired Entertainment One to handle third party Broadcast TV, Digital and Home Video sales for the show.

No man, just for people who haven't read it, they dont want to KNOW ANY FUCKING POSSIBLE THING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN. Just dont say anything jesus. You mentioned an ill fate of a character which HASN'T happened, Plain and simple. Just DONT DO IT. Even if you think you're just making a 'simple comment' about comparing the comic to show. And by the way, that wasn't a comparison, it was a STRONG HINT at whats going to happen. Just dont do it. And dont get your panties in a bunch that you can't give away little "comparison clues". The same goes for whoever mentioned a possible "Andrea" love life.

Just wait untill it happens, THEN you can compare away with the fates of characters on the show vs. the comic. ITS THAT SIMPLE to differenciate between a "insight" and a spoiler.

I think the thing is, specialy on this thread, The Walking Dead comic is sort of a niche thing. Some people have read it, but not many. The TV show is the first introduction into the story for most. Something like Harry Potter, that is a cultural thing, more people have read Harry Potter then the Walking Dead. I for one, am going to stop even mentioning the comic unless it deals with something that has already happened with the show.

Even though I didn't have that much of a problem with the key being dropped down a pipe, I do have to agree with Trevor. When I was watching it, and T-Bone ignored Rooker's pleas and kept going, I though to myself "Wow, this show is going to some complex moral places, awesome!" and when he went back for him, I thought to myself "Okay, maybe not as complex, but how the two characters deal with it is going to be interesting." Even though a choice was made, not being able to see the outcome of that situation was a little disappointing. But I guess we're going to be seeing some "go back for him/don't" quandries next ep, which should be good.

edit:
That was me, and my comment was miles away from the one about Shane. I simply said I hope they keep that aspect of her character the same, which doesn't clue you into ANYTHING about her love life (if she even has one). Other than that, I agree with you.

Edit: Redacted. No need for the dogpile-age.

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Fair enough, I understand, and did not mean to throw out spoilers. my bad.



Ha ha ha, thanks for that helpful little push under the bus dude. So are we playing who's spoliers are worse now?

Yeah, basically I'm not going to mention the comics AT ALL unless someone asks or it happens to come up. Maybe after a major event has happened, it'll be ok to compare a little, but I'd just rather not get into it a whole lot.

Part of the fun, for me, is reading all the posts in the Thread from people who haven't read the comic. I like to read all their predictions and stuff. And if you HAVEN'T read the comic at this point, I would suggest you just stay away from it, it would be a lot more funner watching the show that way.


Anyway, I love the show. Can't wait for more.

S'cool.

link?

I have the comics on hold, until after the series. I might read them behind the series' pace, if that makes sense.

Regarding spoilers, and this could go for all of CHUD, when in doubt, simply spoiler tag/inviso the text. It takes a second or two and works for everyone. It's common practice on most forums, but seems to be a lost art here. I can't tell you how many films I have had spoiled here on threads not even dedicated to the films in question. That's a whole other discussion for another day though.

At any rate, I hope we can stick with just talking about the tv property in this thread (hint:see the thread title). As it stands, among other things, now I have [spoiler]Shane Fate and prison[/spoiler] in my head for future episodes.

Oh good, a full second season. More room for the characters to breath...... and it's good for the ones who don't breath too!