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Link is coming, going from twitter sources right now. Also saying the 2nd ep got 4.7m viewers, down only slightly from the 5.2m premiere
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and more room for characters to do illogical things that no monday morning QB would do.... lol
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Link is coming, going from twitter sources right now. Also saying the 2nd ep got 4.7m viewers, down only slightly from the 5.2m premiere
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I have the comics on hold, until after the series. I might read them behind the series' pace, if that makes sense.
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man, what's with the hate of this show on other parts of the net. People calling it poorly written, directed, acted? Just another case of people hating popular things I guess....
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It does seem like this show is being held to a ridiculously high standard in some circles.
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It does seem like this show is being held to a ridiculously high standard in some circles.
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Here's the thing about Merle: yes, he's a racist sexist dick. Should that consign him to starving to death up on that roof, or being eaten by the first zombie to figure out how to climb stairs? I think we're seeing a theme developing that the conflict here isn't humans vs. zombies, it's humans struggling to maintain their humanity when it would be so easy to throw it away given the circumstances. Being able to blithely leave Merle behind means it may one day be easy to leave behind someone who's not as reprehensible. And then where are we?
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I have already seen some 'zombie purists' online complaining about the ladder climbing/rock using/fence climbing zombies. Really that's no bother to me. It just makes them more threatening.
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I think some people are expecting The Wire with zombies, which like I said, it can't be.
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Amazing. The zombies use rocks and other tools in the original Night Of The Living Dead. And they use tools in Dawn, Day, Land, etc. If Romero's films don't count (or aren't even remembered) with zombie purists, then what the hell kind of nerd rule book are they using?
I wasn't so hot about the rapid walking or fence climbing. But gotta agree with Dalyn. It does make the scenes scarier. . |
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The show is a hugely popular, water-cooler level media event. There is always a backlash against those. The thing to do is just sit back, tune out the haters and enjoy some really good TV.
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Television Without Pity posters spent easily a dozen+ pages decrying the opening conversation between Shane and Rick as enragingly mysogynistic. With some posters saying that conversation alone guaranteed they wouldn't watch anymore of the show (but it sure as hell didn't stop them from posting about it).
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Here's the thing about Merle: yes, he's a racist sexist dick. Should that consign him to starving to death up on that roof, or being eaten by the first zombie to figure out how to climb stairs? I think we're seeing a theme developing that the conflict here isn't humans vs. zombies, it's humans struggling to maintain their humanity when it would be so easy to throw it away given the circumstances. Being able to blithely leave Merle behind means it may one day be easy to leave behind someone who's not as reprehensible. And then where are we?
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Aside from being a racist, Merle threated to shoot folks, pounded T-Bone lots, propositioned a very innocent, wouldn't-have-sex-with-anyone-on-any-show L. Holden, turned into a weird tentacled monster (wait....), and had the gall to look like Michael Rooker.
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I think you're being unfair to the character and approaching it from the point of view that neglects the fact that they're living in a zombie apocalypse. I would imagine that kind of stress propels people into each others arms. Extreme circumstances and all. Especially when you think your husband is dead. One month or not, the two of them have been through a lot together, more then just a physical relationship could hint at.
It's also interesting that you keep saying "she won't get any sympathy from me." What about him? Why is he exempt? |
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It improved as the scene went on, but hinging the conversation with the idea that women don't turn out lights was clunky to me. I don't think it was misogynistic, just sorta goofy.
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It was a bit clunky/goofy, but I thought the idea was to show that a) Shane is a bit of a misogynist (or at least capable of being a bit of a dick when shooting the shit with his buddy), and that b) he's the type of guy that would come up with any bullshit reason to dump a girl (or any excuse to play away from home). It doesn't have to be something that exists in our world, as long as it makes sense in Shane's world. The great thing already is the shades of grey in the character.
If people are actually arguing Darabont is a closet misogynist, they're a bit weird. |
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Most of arguments made tend to come from people who have read the comics and find Kirkman to be maybe be the closet misogynist (Something about his female characters and a rape scene later on?), and the intro to the series being some douchebag's misogynistic rant didn't lead to a positive impression.
I read and participate in both CHUD and TWOP. If you're going to call out TWOP for it's "cuntitude", then at least cop to the dickery around here. I do admit that upon review, episode two was clunky re: some of my issues in my first post about episode 2 a page or so back, but the intial viewing is such an adrenaline rush...it really works until you sit down and examine it. |
| I just want to shake all those people while calmly explaining to them that no, we, the audience, aren't SUPPOSED to be on Shane's side during that whole opening conversation. |
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It's not a moral objection, it just didn't make sense initially, until Parker brought up the fact that it may have been happening before, which I didn't take into account when I first posted.
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Shake me all you want. I still won't be convinced that the dialogue in that scene is well-written. Again, I loved the pilot save for that bit of crummy dialogue.
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It's one thing if you think it wasn't well-written; I was simply raging against all those people who assume that, because a character goes on a sexist rant, the writers/show MUST be sexist.
In other words, there will be no Mangy-shaking. |
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in case it wasnt mentioned ... episode 2 ratings kicked ass (higher in 18-49 than episode 1!), and AMC has officially renewed for a 13-episode second season:
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/11/08...-ratings/71238 |
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It's one thing if you think it wasn't well-written; I was simply raging against all those people who assume that, because a character goes on a sexist rant, the writers/show MUST be sexist.
In other words, there will be no Mangy-shaking. |
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Just a guess, but I'm thinking Lori and Shane were messing around before the world ended. Maybe when Rick went into the hospital, maybe before that.
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