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post #551 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Dr. Murder View Post
Link is coming, going from twitter sources right now. Also saying the 2nd ep got 4.7m viewers, down only slightly from the 5.2m premiere
that's still GREAT numbers, better then Mad Men, and Breaking Bad... as outstanding too when you consider it's on at 10pm, and it's going against Sunday Night Football...

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Oh good, a full second season. More room for the characters to breath...... and it's good for the ones who don't breath too!
and more room for characters to do illogical things that no monday morning QB would do.... lol
post #552 of 1981
I think it would be awesome if in the future they took a page out of Lost's book with regards to extended season premiere's and season finales. It really felt good getting that hour and a half for the first episode, and I'd love to see that happen some more in the future. I think the Shield did extended episodes from time to time as well, if I'm remembering correctly.

Glad to hear that the second season is official!
post #553 of 1981
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Here you go dudes. Never doubt the doc

http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/amc-...-for-season-2/
post #554 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
I have the comics on hold, until after the series. I might read them behind the series' pace, if that makes sense.
Not sure which version you're holding, but I've been picking up the volumes since I finished the giant compendium (which is like a 1000 pages). Much better reading than by issue.

http://www.amazon.com/Walking-Dead-C...9248724&sr=8-1

Where the comic stands now, and how they've changed things, the series could go for 10 seasons before catching up. I've read that Kirkman has said he could continue the comic for as long as people will read it.
post #555 of 1981
Here's the thing about Merle: yes, he's a racist sexist dick. Should that consign him to starving to death up on that roof, or being eaten by the first zombie to figure out how to climb stairs? I think we're seeing a theme developing that the conflict here isn't humans vs. zombies, it's humans struggling to maintain their humanity when it would be so easy to throw it away given the circumstances. Being able to blithely leave Merle behind means it may one day be easy to leave behind someone who's not as reprehensible. And then where are we?
post #556 of 1981
man, what's with the hate of this show on other parts of the net. People calling it poorly written, directed, acted? Just another case of people hating popular things I guess....
post #557 of 1981
It does seem like this show is being held to a ridiculously high standard in some circles.
post #558 of 1981
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
man, what's with the hate of this show on other parts of the net. People calling it poorly written, directed, acted? Just another case of people hating popular things I guess....
Haters gotta hate.

Now I just want to hear that they're shooting and that season 2 debuts this spring.
post #559 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
It does seem like this show is being held to a ridiculously high standard in some circles.
I think the hype started a little early (but sure as hell paid off in the ratings) and the pedigree either had expectations high (OMG it's Frank Darabont) or cynical (juvenile metal/horror nerds crossing their arms and pouting over Darabont).

But I could find someone hating anything on the internet; by and large this show seems an irrefutable success.
post #560 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
It does seem like this show is being held to a ridiculously high standard in some circles.
I enjoyed the comic, but it's no Watchmen, or Dark Knight Returns... it's good, but it isn't the holy grail like so many make it out to be.

I really enjoy many of the depatures it has made, plus, look at what many consider to be the greatest Cable Drama, that being The Sopranos... many epsiodes weren't great, and many had flat moments, and characters... people just get these higher then life standards, and poo poo on things that aren't perfection...
post #561 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Here's the thing about Merle: yes, he's a racist sexist dick. Should that consign him to starving to death up on that roof, or being eaten by the first zombie to figure out how to climb stairs? I think we're seeing a theme developing that the conflict here isn't humans vs. zombies, it's humans struggling to maintain their humanity when it would be so easy to throw it away given the circumstances. Being able to blithely leave Merle behind means it may one day be easy to leave behind someone who's not as reprehensible. And then where are we?
Exactly. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. We saw how much the black dude (T-Bird? T-Bone? T-Steak? T-Party? I forget) was struggling with what to do with Merle, a guy who had beaten the shit out of him and called him the N-word only hours earlier. How many more people getting left behind before T-Shark is just as much of a reprehensible jerkhat? Just look at Rick's partner, he was a goddamn cop and now he's like *shrug* they knew the risks, love 'em and leave the bitches". It's humanity vs humanity, and that's why this is gonna be awesome.
post #562 of 1981
I think some people are expecting The Wire with zombies, which like I said, it can't be.
post #563 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Dalyn View Post
I have already seen some 'zombie purists' online complaining about the ladder climbing/rock using/fence climbing zombies. Really that's no bother to me. It just makes them more threatening.
Amazing. The zombies use rocks and other tools in the original Night Of The Living Dead. And they use tools in Dawn, Day, Land, etc. If Romero's films don't count (or aren't even remembered) with zombie purists, then what the hell kind of nerd rule book are they using?

I wasn't so hot about the rapid walking or fence climbing. But gotta agree with Dalyn. It does make the scenes scarier.

With the tiniest of nit-picks aside, I am utterly loving the show so far. It's getting me yelling back at my TV. In a good way. Astounding how much gore and shocking content is being allowed here. And I've never NEVER seen pain and loss in the wake of a zombie disaster depicted with such heart.
post #564 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post
I think some people are expecting The Wire with zombies, which like I said, it can't be.
one of my buddies was a huge fan of teh book, and he HATED the Mist, so when he heard about this happening, he was against it.

No suprise, he HATES the show, and just goes out of his way to insult me for liking it. He even just said "It's just BAD, I knew it was going to be bad before it even premiered"... well, if you knew that, then why did you even watch it? Haters just gotta hate, as someone posted above..

People are complaining about the guts scene being somewhat comical... how many "comical" scenes did the Sopranos have? I think it's great that they are sprinkling in some humor...

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Originally Posted by Doc Phibes View Post
Amazing. The zombies use rocks and other tools in the original Night Of The Living Dead. And they use tools in Dawn, Day, Land, etc. If Romero's films don't count (or aren't even remembered) with zombie purists, then what the hell kind of nerd rule book are they using?

I wasn't so hot about the rapid walking or fence climbing. But gotta agree with Dalyn. It does make the scenes scarier.

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i think besides adding a level of tension that most zombie films don't, it also reinforces, atleast to me, that these USED to be people, and are not just brainless, flesh eating monsters. They were people...
post #565 of 1981
The show is a hugely popular, water-cooler level media event. There is always a backlash against those. The thing to do is just sit back, tune out the haters and enjoy some really good TV.
post #566 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post
The show is a hugely popular, water-cooler level media event. There is always a backlash against those. The thing to do is just sit back, tune out the haters and enjoy some really good TV.
Television Without Pity posters spent easily a dozen+ pages decrying the opening conversation between Shane and Rick as enragingly mysogynistic. With some posters saying that conversation alone guaranteed they wouldn't watch anymore of the show (but it sure as hell didn't stop them from posting about it).

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one of my buddies was a huge fan of teh book, and he HATED the Mist
Time to shop for some new friends.
post #567 of 1981
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Television Without Pity posters spent easily a dozen+ pages decrying the opening conversation between Shane and Rick as enragingly mysogynistic. With some posters saying that conversation alone guaranteed they wouldn't watch anymore of the show (but it sure as hell didn't stop them from posting about it).
TWOP is a cesspit of television snobbery and cuntitude. I have no desire to re-visit that site.
post #568 of 1981
I'm watching the second episode when I get home tonight, but as much as I liked the pilot, that opening conversation WAS dopey. Women don't turn out the lights? That's a thing?
post #569 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Here's the thing about Merle: yes, he's a racist sexist dick. Should that consign him to starving to death up on that roof, or being eaten by the first zombie to figure out how to climb stairs? I think we're seeing a theme developing that the conflict here isn't humans vs. zombies, it's humans struggling to maintain their humanity when it would be so easy to throw it away given the circumstances. Being able to blithely leave Merle behind means it may one day be easy to leave behind someone who's not as reprehensible. And then where are we?
Aside from being a racist, Merle threated to shoot folks, pounded T-Bone lots, propositioned a very innocent, wouldn't-have-sex-with-anyone-on-any-show L. Holden, turned into a weird tentacled monster (wait....), and had the gall to look like Michael Rooker.

You leave him on the roof and pat yourself on the back later over your excellent decision.
post #570 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post
I'm watching the second episode when I get home tonight, but as much as I liked the pilot, that opening conversation WAS dopey. Women don't turn out the lights? That's a thing?
I liked the opening convo... enjoyed a little sense of what his life was like with Shane before the outbreak
post #571 of 1981
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
I liked the opening convo... enjoyed a little sense of what his life was like with Shane before the outbreak
It improved as the scene went on, but hinging the conversation with the idea that women don't turn out lights was clunky to me. I don't think it was misogynistic, just sorta goofy.
post #572 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Dr. Murder View Post
TWOP is a cesspit of television snobbery and cuntitude. I have no desire to re-visit that site.
They're no CHUD, that's for damn sure. I was only over there because a friend and fellow SURVIVOR fan recommended their forums. I do not concur.
post #573 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick View Post
Aside from being a racist, Merle threated to shoot folks, pounded T-Bone lots, propositioned a very innocent, wouldn't-have-sex-with-anyone-on-any-show L. Holden, turned into a weird tentacled monster (wait....), and had the gall to look like Michael Rooker.

You leave him on the roof and pat yourself on the back later over your excellent decision.
Yup, you really don't want to be palling around with people that look like Michael Rooker, come the end of the world.

Anyway, I haven't seen any complains about the show that I couldn't directly attribute to the comic. If anything they should have tried to make an even looser adaptation. And the point Dickson had about what the show is all about is true. It's not about the zombies. It's about mankind being its own worst enemy. Over and over and over and over and over and over. And over and over. I think I gave up on the story at about the tenth time the survivors got fucked because someone was either a sniveling coward or a slobbering psychopath.
post #574 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Parker View Post
I think you're being unfair to the character and approaching it from the point of view that neglects the fact that they're living in a zombie apocalypse. I would imagine that kind of stress propels people into each others arms. Extreme circumstances and all. Especially when you think your husband is dead. One month or not, the two of them have been through a lot together, more then just a physical relationship could hint at.

It's also interesting that you keep saying "she won't get any sympathy from me." What about him? Why is he exempt?
I did agree with you that perhaps the affair had been going on before in my reply to your post.

Plus it is his fault too, but even though he's making advances, she could have said no. That is, of course if this hasn't been going on previously, but which of course AND I AGREE here, that it has been previously occurring. I know the show is diverging from the comic, and this is one of those points. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I just hope it's not one of those things that's really drawn out. I actually hope he finds out soon, and it becomes something that bothers him for a while.

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I kinda figured that guy was trolling. His post is even more ridiculous than Eko's moral objection to women whose husbands are presumed dead having sex with other men.
It's not a moral objection, it just didn't make sense initially, until Parker brought up the fact that it may have been happening before, which I didn't take into account when I first posted.
post #575 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post
It improved as the scene went on, but hinging the conversation with the idea that women don't turn out lights was clunky to me. I don't think it was misogynistic, just sorta goofy.
It was a bit clunky/goofy, but I thought the idea was to show that a) Shane is a bit of a misogynist (or at least capable of being a bit of a dick when shooting the shit with his buddy), and that b) he's the type of guy that would come up with any bullshit reason to dump a girl (or any excuse to play away from home). It doesn't have to be something that exists in our world, as long as it makes sense in Shane's world. The great thing already is the shades of grey in the character.

If people are actually arguing Darabont is a closet misogynist, they're a bit weird.
post #576 of 1981
I just want to shake all those people while calmly explaining to them that no, we, the audience, aren't SUPPOSED to be on Shane's side during that whole opening conversation.

It's to show that not only is Shane a bit of a dick and a misogynist and all that, but Rick is the kinda guy who'll go "Yep. Uh huh. Yep. Just gonna let you rant for a while." (Maybe its a southern thing, but I've been in numerous situations at work where a co-worker will go off on some slightly racist or sexist rant and I'd have no choice but to nod and slowly back away)

Also, I hope there's a big massacre about to happen at the camp; I don't want this to become LOST and have a bunch of background people just limping along, not allowed to say anything.
post #577 of 1981
I hate when zombies moan. They should just be quiet or maybe just hiss when they get really excited. Zombies are definately more scary on paper imo.

Btw. I made a thread in the comics section for those who want to discuss the source material and the changes made for the tv show.
post #578 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Dr. Murder View Post
It was a bit clunky/goofy, but I thought the idea was to show that a) Shane is a bit of a misogynist (or at least capable of being a bit of a dick when shooting the shit with his buddy), and that b) he's the type of guy that would come up with any bullshit reason to dump a girl (or any excuse to play away from home). It doesn't have to be something that exists in our world, as long as it makes sense in Shane's world. The great thing already is the shades of grey in the character.

If people are actually arguing Darabont is a closet misogynist, they're a bit weird.
Most of arguments made tend to come from people who have read the comics and find Kirkman to be maybe be the closet misogynist (Something about his female characters and a rape scene later on?), and the intro to the series being some douchebag's misogynistic rant didn't lead to a positive impression.


I read and participate in both CHUD and TWOP. If you're going to call out TWOP for it's "cuntitude", then at least cop to the dickery around here.

I do admit that upon review, episode two was clunky re: some of my issues in my first post about episode 2 a page or so back, but the intial viewing is such an adrenaline rush...it really works until you sit down and examine it.
post #579 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Wayward_Woman View Post
Most of arguments made tend to come from people who have read the comics and find Kirkman to be maybe be the closet misogynist (Something about his female characters and a rape scene later on?), and the intro to the series being some douchebag's misogynistic rant didn't lead to a positive impression.


I read and participate in both CHUD and TWOP. If you're going to call out TWOP for it's "cuntitude", then at least cop to the dickery around here.

I do admit that upon review, episode two was clunky re: some of my issues in my first post about episode 2 a page or so back, but the intial viewing is such an adrenaline rush...it really works until you sit down and examine it.
I see this more of a mini-series than an actual series, at least for the first 6 episodes. I'm sure when this comes out on Blu the flow will really mesh well. This episode was heavy rush climax of the build up from the first episode.

Also, remember.. this isn't lost*. We're not going to be seeing all these characters until season 5. I'm sure the body count will be high by seasons end. You can't have a successful horror tv show without a high body count.

*Lost did kill a lot of people.. now that I think about it.
post #580 of 1981
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I just want to shake all those people while calmly explaining to them that no, we, the audience, aren't SUPPOSED to be on Shane's side during that whole opening conversation.
Shake me all you want. I still won't be convinced that the dialogue in that scene is well-written. Again, I loved the pilot save for that bit of crummy dialogue.
post #581 of 1981
just saw the preview for episode 3... I HATE LORI... I still kind of like Shane... But Lori, man, I hope she gets eaten out by 60+ zombies, BITCH.
post #582 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Rene (Mr.Eko) View Post
It's not a moral objection, it just didn't make sense initially, until Parker brought up the fact that it may have been happening before, which I didn't take into account when I first posted.
I was exaggerating a bit to try and be funny, but I do find it odd you would characterize a woman who was thrown into an apocalyptic situation getting one of the few pleasures left to a person as "getting sleazy".

Perhaps it owes more to what we've been conditioned to come to expect from characters in movies and TV. Because the show didn't go out of its way to show how they were thrown together, and they didn't mean for this to happen, we assume the wife is not respecting her dead husband, or some such nonsense. Allowing for the possibility that it had been going on before, it's not unbelievable to assume it may have developed over the course of a few desperate weeks. Nothing sleazy about that.
post #583 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post
Shake me all you want. I still won't be convinced that the dialogue in that scene is well-written. Again, I loved the pilot save for that bit of crummy dialogue.
just, just rewatched it... i like the scene. typical redneck who doesnt know when to shut up. like me?
post #584 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Mangy View Post
Shake me all you want. I still won't be convinced that the dialogue in that scene is well-written. Again, I loved the pilot save for that bit of crummy dialogue.
It's one thing if you think it wasn't well-written; I was simply raging against all those people who assume that, because a character goes on a sexist rant, the writers/show MUST be sexist.

In other words, there will be no Mangy-shaking.
post #585 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Syd View Post
It's one thing if you think it wasn't well-written; I was simply raging against all those people who assume that, because a character goes on a sexist rant, the writers/show MUST be sexist.

In other words, there will be no Mangy-shaking.
there marriage was on the rocks. Shane is somewhat set up as a guy who is interested in sex, and being controling. She thinks her husband is dead (till death does you part, right), and Shane is the obvious Alpha-Male. I don't see it being at all sexist, and infact, I think it's more in line on how a good portion of the population would act. If a man, of Shane's caliber, is into said women (considering there isn't that many fuckable women left, unless no legged zombies are your fetish)he is obviously going to protect her, and her son. And if a world of "survival", isn't that all that matters?

oh, by the way... this show sucks. Rick should have had a cathidor in his junk when he awoke. Insulting to the audience. SHOW SUCKS. lol. yes, that is a complaint i just heard
post #586 of 1981
in case it wasnt mentioned ... episode 2 ratings kicked ass (higher in 18-49 than episode 1!), and AMC has officially renewed for a 13-episode second season:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/11/08...-ratings/71238
post #587 of 1981
I liked the second alot. It does seem to be a story about how humanity will act, and not all about humans vesus zombies.

Just a guess, but I'm thinking Lori and Shane were messing around before the world ended. Maybe when Rick went into the hospital, maybe before that.
post #588 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Brechtsky View Post
in case it wasnt mentioned ... episode 2 ratings kicked ass (higher in 18-49 than episode 1!), and AMC has officially renewed for a 13-episode second season:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/11/08...-ratings/71238
also, throw in that is tech. going against the NFL Sunday Nightfootball for the most part.. that is DAMN impressive. everyone seems to be watching it. even my flipping grandma, a little old english lady, has watch both episodes. She told me that, I was shocked.
post #589 of 1981
In case it hasn't already been said, this show is fucking great. I think the acting, directing, and writing are all impressive. They are Hollywood caliber, except uncompromised. Whatever minor quibbles I have aren't even worth mentioning. If this show maintains this quality it will go down as an all-time great show.
post #590 of 1981
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
also, throw in that is tech. going against the NFL Sunday Nightfootball for the most part.. that is DAMN impressive. everyone seems to be watching it. even my flipping grandma, a little old english lady, has watch both episodes. She told me that, I was shocked.
Mind if I ask what her reaction was to the show so far?
post #591 of 1981
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Originally Posted by UberNeuman View Post
Mind if I ask what her reaction was to the show so far?
She said she's hooked. An 85 year old english lady who spends most of her days watching Judge Judy, Wheel of Fortune, and reruns of Are You Being Served, and now she's adding The Walking Dead to it. Too funny
post #592 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Syd View Post
It's one thing if you think it wasn't well-written; I was simply raging against all those people who assume that, because a character goes on a sexist rant, the writers/show MUST be sexist.

In other words, there will be no Mangy-shaking.
Ha, thank goodness. I agree that people complaining about the sexism of that scene missed the point.

I enjoyed the second episode a lot; it did a lot of table-setting as well-paced as possible. The hour flew by.

Question: Any idea on this show's budget? Given the CGI / FX work and large cast, it seems like it would be much higher than AMC's other shows.
post #593 of 1981
just rewatched the episode. I don't think any zombie did climb a ladder. looks like it was trying too
post #594 of 1981
I love this show and this episode. I loved Glenn too, hope we see more of him later.
post #595 of 1981
I gotta agree with folks about the clunky dialogue, but I enjoyed the heck of this none-the-less. Plus, the last 15 minutes more than made up for the rest of the episode. I was freaking out when Rick and Glenn were walking though the streets with zombies sniffing all around them. The scene felt like it lasted forever, and I got nervous they would never make it. The rain conveniently washing off their scent was dopey, but I needed the rush of action to break the tension. Axe meet brain!

As for locking the racist dude on the roof, I thought it was an act of humanity - to keep the zombies from being able to reach him. It was pretty obvious to me that he could survive a day or two up there and that someone would go back to get him.

So far, none of the characters introduced this ep have reached the emotional highs that the father-son duo had last week. Probably a result of two many characters being introduced at once, but the difference stuck out like a sore thumb.

Also, I'm not sure what the final scene of Glenn giddily driving into the sunset was supposed to represent. All I thought about was all the noise he was going to attract to wherever he ends up.
post #596 of 1981
I'm glad I was able to do my part to promote the word "clunky" in this thread.
post #597 of 1981
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Originally Posted by Teitr Styrr View Post
Just a guess, but I'm thinking Lori and Shane were messing around before the world ended. Maybe when Rick went into the hospital, maybe before that.
I hope, for the sake of Shane not ending up being a total uber douche, that he was bangin' Rick's wife well before Rick got shot.

The conversation they have in the cruiser gives me the feeling that either a) Lori was already cheating with Shane, hence her seeming alienation/hatred for Rick or b) Lori was nearing the brink of cheating.

Now, that Rick confides all this to Shane and his partner knows his struggle...I don't know how to score levels of "bad", but to act on a man's wife after said friend pours his heart out to you about his struggling marriage seems really creepy bad.
post #598 of 1981
Now that I had some time to think about this episode, I kind of hate what they did with Lori. Really, really hate. And all the stuff about her still carrying her wedding ring can go fuck itself, because it doesn't work at all. It wouldn't surprise me to find out she and Shane have been going at it much earlier than the zombie apocalypse. The only thing that makes me feel better about this whole sub-plot is that I feel as if Darabont will have to address this whole thing now.

The gore was nice, though. Rick stopped being so ineffectual and is starting to become someone people would actually want to have around, much less follow. And Glen, at least, remains the most likable character.
post #599 of 1981
Thread Starter 
Wow, the Men 18-49 actually went UP from 2.0m to 2.1m? AMC is keeping this sucker on air for 15 seasons. It will outlive Darabont at this rate.
post #600 of 1981
It's amazing how divisive this show is, but I guess it really does set itself up for nitpicking. It's hard to watch without immediately thinking about what you would have done differently, for instance I couldn't believe that no one even attempted to barricade the glass doors when they were surrounded by big heavy metal things.

But I gotta say, this episode scared me more than anything on TV has since I was a little kid. The going up the ladder scene really freaked me out and I almost couldn't take the tension of the gut-oflauge scene, even though the whole thing was silly and the rain made it sillier.

And I was surprised there was a moral conflict over killing the racist inbred hick guy at all, he reminded me of a rabid dog. When there are so few uninfected humans left it doesn't seem practical to let someone live who attacks other humans and waves guns around, what would have happened if Rick hadn't been there to handcuff him? Putting him down probably would have been the more compassionate choice anyway, for him and the other humans who will now have to deal with his crap when he inevitably escapes the roof.
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