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Report: Pac-10 to strike first with blockbuster bid for half the Big 12

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Local reports make this sound pretty much like a done deal. Supposedly at the Big 12 meetings they were already putting plans in place for how to move forward.
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So now USC is gonna have to share a conference with Texas and stop paying their players? Oh boy. You got your work cut out for ya, Lane.
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Wow. I know SEC expansion always mentioned Texas and Oklahoma, but if this is true, that's right out the window.
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OU, does not usually match up well with...USC. That is, until now, with USC, being led by...Lane Kiffin! Sooner or later, USC, will regret Pete Carrol's escape to the NFL!
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... and so it begins. Soon it'll be the 16-team Pac 10, the 16-team Big 10, the 16-team SEC and literally nobody else.
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I'm gonna make a call to the OU athletic department tomorrow with some interesting questions
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I'm gonna make a call to the OU athletic department tomorrow with some interesting questions
I find this really funny for some reason. I'd assume that each of the athletic departments is just dreading going in tomorrow knowing that it's going to be non-stop calls from their fan bases.
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Yep. I can't imagine how nuts its going to be. Luckily, I have the number of the actual press contact and thats who I'm calling.
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After daylong discussions regarding the possible breakup of the Big 12, a scheduled news conference was abruptly canceled, fueling speculation that the 12 schools are far from agreement.

A short time earlier, Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione had indicated the member schools did not reach the unity that many had hoped these meetings would achieve.

Perhaps also complicating the process was a report out of Texas on Thursday afternoon that the Pac-10 might invite six Big 12 schools to join and form two eight-team divisions. Some Big 12 and Pac-10 officials met informally several few weeks ago to discuss a possible scheduling and television alliance between the leagues.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...e/7035531.html
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Something is going to happen, But I doubt that Texas or OU goes to the PAC 10. Texas will want to continue to compete for national championships every year, and having a 16 team mega conference will hinder that prospect a little. Texas and OU would be a better fit for the SEC, but they're happy where they reside.

Why don't they take South Carolina and Arkansas instead?
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Unfortunately, the 16 team super league looks to be the future, and OU and Texas won't be able to stop it.

I wonder what the impact to the BCS will be? If you merge two conferences into one, what happens to the number of BCS berths?
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Sports Illustrated ran a pretty great story about this restructuring (with the focus being on the Big 10, obviously). They discussed three scenarios with one being the "apocalyptic" future where most of the FBS--at least the teams that matter--merge into three super-conferences: the SEC, Big 10 and Pac-10. End result? They all leave the NCAA and form a new governing body.
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I wonder what the impact to the BCS will be? If you merge two conferences into one, what happens to the number of BCS berths?
That's what I've been wondering. In years past there has been this notion that a school should have won its conference if they'd wanted an automatic bid. But with fewer major conferences, it would seem like that would lead to more at large bids, and more bitching.
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If I was Arizona or Arizona State, I'd be screaming my head off saying hell no to this deal.
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Originally Posted by Pompoussory Estoppel View Post
If I was Arizona or Arizona State, I'd be screaming my head off saying hell no to this deal.
If the money is right, you won't hear a peep.
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
Sports Illustrated ran a pretty great story about this restructuring (with the focus being on the Big 10, obviously). They discussed three scenarios with one being the "apocalyptic" future where most of the FBS--at least the teams that matter--merge into three super-conferences: the SEC, Big 10 and Pac-10. End result? They all leave the NCAA and form a new governing body.
If this leads to FSU and Miami joining the SEC (without UF bitching about it and stopping it like last time) I am all for realignment. Or even better, if the NCAA gets dismantled as a result of all of this it will be a godsend. Fuck those hypocrites.
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Why don't they take South Carolina and Arkansas instead?
No, no, no....Arkansas is just fine in the SEC. I want UT in the SEC, and OU would be nice as well. Throw in Miami and FSU, and blam...16 team uber-conference.
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No, no, no....Arkansas is just fine in the SEC. I want UT in the SEC, and OU would be nice as well. Throw in Miami and FSU, and blam...16 team uber-conference.
UT and OU would be a fantastic edition to the SEC. The TV deals for games like UT and UA, UF, and LSU would be massive. UT and OU have similar traditions and fanbases, as well.

*If something like the supposed PAC 10/SEC expansion does happen, teams like Boise, Utah, and TCU can kiss their BCS title game dreams good-bye. For good.
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I can't figure out why the big conferences aren't targeting schools like Boise State and TCU. Those two schools are becomming teams that the entire nation is paying attention to and getting them exposure in a major conference is only a good thing.
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I agree, SD, but they'll be 2nd-tier until the likes of UT, OU, etc. are accounted for. I'd love to see BSU in the Pac-10.
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I'd trade Baylor for TCU any day of the week in the Big 12
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BYU would slot nicely into the Pac-10.

The Big XII was going to get raided anyhow; the Big Ten apparently has its eyes on UT and/or Mizzou for expansion. If 16-team superconferences are the wave of the future, I can see the Big Ten going after Cuse, Rutgers, Pitt, Missouri, and Texas...any one of which becomes expendable if Notre Dame decides to join.

Texas makes the least geographic sense but fits nicely in every other way.
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I can see the SEC eyeing Missouri as well.
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I can't figure out why the big conferences aren't targeting schools like Boise State and TCU. Those two schools are becomming teams that the entire nation is paying attention to and getting them exposure in a major conference is only a good thing.
What Joe said - I think the major conferences are going to be poaching each other; when someone says "no, we aren't going to leave our current conference", THEN you ask a BSU/TCU/BYU-type team, who will JUMP at the chance to get into a major conference.
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I can't figure out why the big conferences aren't targeting schools like Boise State and TCU. Those two schools are becomming teams that the entire nation is paying attention to and getting them exposure in a major conference is only a good thing.
The Big Ten has certain demos (academic, size, overall athletics AND TV MARKET) they need to hit. Texas, Missouri and Nebraska fit perfectly. Rutgers kinda fits. Schools like Boise and TCU don't come close to fitting.
post #27 of 78
The Big 10 seems fixated on Missouri and Notre Dame at the moment. I think another big push will be for Rutgers because it'll give them an in with the metropolitan New York market.
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People are starting to write how Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany basically played the ACC, Big East and Big 12 to hold off on a playoff so that he could orchestrate the destruction of the conferences and ensuring a financially dominate Big Ten IF he couldn't get Notre Dame (which would basically ensure a financially dominate Big Ten).

But first Notre Dame has to decide to join the Big Ten or not.

If not and if the Pac-10 destroys the Big 12, The SEC will probably throw a broke pool cue at the ACC and Big East and tell them only one can survive. That'll cause Notre Dame's hand.

Or

The SEC stands pat and the Big Ten gets to decide to just pick up a few Big 12 teams or go mega and pick a few Big 12 and a few Big East teams (and might force Notre Dame to join anyway).

I don't know how someone could be a college sports fan and not be fascinated by this. I'm not saying "enjoy" because this is pretty much Armageddon, but it's fascinating.
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I don't know how someone could be a college sports fan and not be fascinated by this. I'm not saying "enjoy" because this is pretty much Armageddon, but it's fascinating.
Absolutely. If you haven't read it, I can't recommend that SI article enough.

And, as a Penn State fanatic, I really wish the Big 10 would incorporate some of their classic rivalries into the conference: Pitt, Notre Dame, and West Virginia.
post #30 of 78
I heard on the radio the other day that the last place team in the Big 10 gets more money each year than the second or third place team in the Big 12, thanks to the Big 10's TV deals and national exposure. How can the Big 12 possibly compete with that?
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The Big 12 is the only major conference that doesn't split the pie evenly isn't it? This is why it's hard to get Texas to move, they get SO MUCH of the money.

Supposedly a part of Notre Dame joining the Big 10 is that they would be the ONLY team joining. All the other offers out there are depending on what Notre Dame does. Notre Dame doesn't want to share the spotlight with anybody else (which sounds legit) so if they join then the Big 10 is done this year. If Notre Dame flinches, that's when the Big 10 goes hard after a couple of Big 12 teams, and that's when dominoes really start to fall.
post #32 of 78
Looks like Nebraska's bound for the Big 10 by the end of the week. That would make the Big 12 a Big 11, and probably signal their doom. With all the rumors about the teams leaping to the Pac 10 and Missouri possibly joining the Big 10 or SEC, what school in their right mind is going to want to join the Big 12?
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I heard on the radio the other day that the last place team in the Big 10 gets more money each year than the second or third place team in the Big 12, thanks to the Big 10's TV deals and national exposure.
I'm almost positive that the Big 10 divides their revenues evenly among the teams, as well.
post #34 of 78
Nebraska is basically Texas' only reason for staying as it's the lynch-pin of the North, so that's all she wrote for the Big 12 (if true).
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Looks like Nebraska to the Big 10 is official with Tom Osborne telling the staff they are going. Big 10 might as well add 2-4 more teams. Wouldn't be surprised if an East coast team made the cut another Big 12 school.

Does this mean the Big 12 is gone? Will any join the WAC and give Boise St some comp? Going to Hawaii would be sweet.
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And, as a Penn State fanatic, I really wish the Big 10 would incorporate some of their classic rivalries into the conference: Pitt, Notre Dame, and West Virginia.
The thing with WVU is I'm not sure they fit the academic profile the Big Ten is looking for. Rutgers, Syracuse, Mizzou, ND, and Pitt are all top-flight academically as well as being big-time athletically.

Then again, one of my favorite one-liners about Nebraska is they are so committed to higher education they put an "N" for "knowledge" on their helmets.
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Looks like Nebraska to the Big 10 is official with Tom Osborne telling the staff they are going. Big 10 might as well add 2-4 more teams. Wouldn't be surprised if an East coast team made the cut another Big 12 school.

Does this mean the Big 12 is gone? Will any join the WAC and give Boise St some comp? Going to Hawaii would be sweet.
Hmm, assuming Mizzou and Nebraska go to the Big Ten, that leaves KU, KSU, ISU, and Baylor. I figure someone will snap up KU if only for their basketball cachet. The other 3 have "mid-major" written all over them.
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I figure someone will snap up KU if only for their basketball cachet.
But where? Pac 10 will be filled. ACC makes no sense esp for travel as does Big East. SEC could work but If I'm Kansas I try and get in the Big 10 as well.

Maybe they make the WAC a bigger time conf.
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Wvu ain't no slouch academically.
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Wvu ain't no slouch academically.
I wasn't trying to offend any Mountaineers; I really don't know WVU's academic rep.
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Now there are reports that the Pac-10 has indeed offered the nuclear option to Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State.

So Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Missouri are all that's left. Missouri seems guaranteed to get an invite from someone. Kansas has an attractive basketball program that would certainly be an asset to any conference. Kansas State and Iowa State could be on the short end of the stick here
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So now USC is gonna have to share a conference with Texas and stop paying their players? Oh boy. You got your work cut out for ya, Lane.
And now they won't be bowl eligible for two years. Its nice to know that Karma keeps piling on the kicks to the ass for Kiffin.
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Word seems to be that the original Pac-8 will be one division, with all the noobs in the other.

I will particularly miss the neatly-paired basketball schedule (every team home-and-home, with every weekend being against one of the other pairs of teams), but I suppose something like this was inevitable.
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Word seems to be that the original Pac-8 will be one division, with all the noobs in the other.
And apparently the Pac-10 is going to push for an automatic BCS bid for each division winner and no championship game. Which is utter bullshit.
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And apparently the Pac-10 is going to push for an automatic BCS bid for each division winner and no championship game. Which is utter bullshit.
That's two teams the SEC can beat each year, then. I'm okay with that.
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I wasn't trying to offend any Mountaineers; I really don't know WVU's academic rep.
They aren't a AAU Institution, for which the Big Ten has a massive hard-on. The only exception they'd let in is Notre Dame (no one will dispute their academic credentials). Missouri, Rutgers, Pitt and Syracuse are all AAU institutions.

The Pac-16 thinking the two bid shit is going to fly with Darth Delany and the other commissioners is laughable. Next the SEC will demand that it's winner be automatically be placed in the championship game regardless of ranking.

Kansas probably ends up anchoring the Mountain West (which then invites a Big 12 refugee and Boise) and then gets the Big 12's auto BCS bid. The ACC championship will continue to be the Special Olympics of College Football (I didn't make up that joke, another chewer did, but it's too funny not to see the light of day).
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That's two teams the SEC can beat each year, then. I'm okay with that.
But it opens up the very real possibility that one team from each division could end up in the BCS title game. Although USC won't be playing in any title games for the next couple of years.
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And apparently the Pac-10 is going to push for an automatic BCS bid for each division winner and no championship game. Which is utter bullshit.
Are you kidding me? That's absurd.
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Missouri seems guaranteed to get an invite from someone.
Mizzou is almost certainly going Big 10 when push comes to shove (which it appears to be).
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Missouri to the Big Ten is a lead-pipe lock unless Notre Dame decides to catch the train and veto (as Tom Hammond tearfully runs along the side).
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