Burn Notice Season 4 - Page 2

Keep in mind that Michael was framed for a lot of terrible things when he was burned. So there are a lot of false rumors out there. Plus, he has been in Miami running off bad guys with doing little more than using their own imaginations against them. I could see how there's a Westen legend out in the world.

I started watching this show on DVD about six months ago frankly because I was just hard up for something, anything decent, to watch. I had no idea it was as popular as it is. A true guilty pleasure. And yeah, I do get really sick of it. Royal Pains is almost exactly the same show. White Collar is a little different in formula, but somehow MUCH better. Maybe it's the Catch Me If You Can vibe I like better than the A-Team vibe of Burn Notice. Other BAD shows I watch are Warehouse 13 and now Haven. And Lie to Me. I don't normally share this with people though. I literally don't respect my own life and I'm passing the days as I can.

I kind of like Haven. Im at least sticking with it until we get the back stories on the powered people.

I was under the impression Michael killed plenty of people during his time in the military/CIA, it's only since coming to Miami that he prefers to keep his hands as clean as possible and keep himself out of suspicion when it comes to direct deaths. When the Russians talk of Michael's reputation, it's of all the things he's done in his past, plus all the shit attributed to him after the burn notice, not because of his good deeds in Miami.

It was nice to see Fi take control of an episode.. although she did almost bite the big one.

I'm still wondering what Jesse is going to do once he finds out Michael burned him.

It seems like they're really setting Jesse up to snap ... Michael, Fiona, and even Sam at this point have all lied right to his face. Add that to the jealousy he's got at Michael getting Fiona and it's a powder keg of bland acting just waiting to go off.

At least they're trying to go somewhere with his character at last. The past couple of episodes screwed around with the formula a bit and were much better for it.

I just had to point out that this is a great line.

Solid episode last night. It's a very dumb show but oddly addicting.

I actually think they need to screw around with it even more. For the first time with this show, I'm starting to get bored.

Well the overlying story had more presence this past episode.. and I love bringing back SIMON into the mix. Should be great!

Well the Simon/Vaughn stuff is finally getting good, but I also enjoyed the prison-centric episode.

And did anyone else smile when Sam was digging up a grave in the graveyard. Reminded me a lot of Army of Darkness.

well JESSE is now a wild card. Will he and Michael square off or will he sheepish return to the group??

Next week is the mid-season finale so I hope there is a good pay off.

I was so disappointed when Fi said it was beanbag round. Always good to see Chuck Finley return, but I am still hoping for another CSI:Miami round.

Jesse - you think he is going to go private contractor or turn into the big bad for next season?

Why? You know this show rarely goes that direction.

Plus, dropping a body in the client's house would be a troublesome move.

BUT SHE IS TRIGGER HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah finally finished the episode. I like that Jesse finally figured it all out, that REALLY needed to happen. Although I doubt the resolution will be anytihng too cool. I mean Jesse isn't going to kill any of them. Actually it would to a great downer style finale if Michael was forced to kill Jesse. That would make him question everything in a very very big way.

As for the womanizer subplot........ehhhh. You can tell they had to add the part about him being a murderer to make him really hateable. I mean he would be normally but isn't what Sam does worse? Sam doesn't kill the women he lives off of nor does he take all their lifes savings. However what he does is kind of creepier in the sense that he uses them while spending time with them. At least this guy uses them for their money and takes off thereby avoiding the messy aftermath. While Sam looks at it dead on. Tellling them he loves them while spending their money. Also interesting bit of a look into Fiona's mind. Seems to have extra intense anger at men who wrong women and yet chases one that is very unavailable always choosing the job over her.

I really wished Jesse had pulled the trigger. I love this show and all, but Fiona has just gotten worse and worse over the seasons, just a real fucking downer, and I kinda hate that we're in for loads more of her because it's just a FUN™ SUMMER™ SHOW™! so none of the main characters are ever gonna be dumped.

Well I guess Jesse might be even stevens after shooting Michael.. but I still don't know how that was saving his life?

Michael has been captured before and has been able to escape. So why shoot through him to kill a guy who was just holding him? So he wouldn't get riddled with bullets later?

Also intriguing is the fact more new episodes are coming in November. Isn't that earlier than usual?

Yeah, seems a bit earlier than usual. Personally I'm saving my excitement for the Sam Axe prequel movie.

Really psyched about the finale, I can't wait for the next installment... November?

Man.... USA and SciFi (I refuse to use that stupid new moniker) have really been hitting it out of the park with their original series. My favorite part? the restaurant scene with Peter from White Collar walking by as Fi (with Michael sitting across from her) had a gun out on the table. I missed those inter-show scenes from when Dead Zone, Monk and the 4400 were on. They're always great.

Not thrilled with the whole "Jesse was burned but by accident" angle. It seemed to me like the real people responsible were the same folks that burned Michael and it should be pretty easy to point that out, seemed like a stupid angle but.. hey.. I'm a sucker and keep watching.

I was really bummed about the finale though, I really wanted to see Michael pairing up with Robert Patrick trying to take down the organization that burned him. THAT would be a great season.

My one hope is that it's his mom that walked away from the wreck with the suitcase.

The person was wearing black pants and combat boots ... I don't think it's his mom. She also would have possibly cared more about her son and his gunshot than the suitcase.

My hope was that it was Jesse. I guess we're going to jump forward a lot of time after this since that gunshot wound will take quite a while to heal. A high powered rifle shot through the chest ... ouch.

Well not so much SciFi. I mean you take away Battlestar Galactica(which isn't on anymore) and they got nothing. Haven is fucking terrible and so is Stargate and that Eureka show.

Burn Notice came back with an excellent episode. Michael acting as disciple to a serial killer was pretty awesome.

More awesome was Jesse blowing up Fi's house. You know he loved that.

What? Had no idea this was back.

I hate the stupid Hyundai Genesis tha tthey keep highlighting though. Just not an attractive car (although I suppose it's better than having her drive around in a Saab with the top up all the time).

Yeah I saw that and set the DVR. Really you could skip like 6 episodes and they would run some sort of all day marathon to catch everyone up.

So, Jesse got to put a bullet in Michael and blow up Fiona's house. Let him spill one of Sam's mojitos and the gang should be all squared up with him for getting him burned and lying about it.

well good to know Johanthan Frakes is still directing..

I'm just not into it anymore. Something just feels off, perhaps too serious and not enough light fluff in the last two episodes?

Sad to see Vaughn go, hopefully whomever they get can pull off that same level of swagger!

Really? It feels about the same to me and maybe thats the problem. Im thinking maybe they should actually solve the "who burned me and why" thing and then maybe move on to another goal. I mean seriously Michael is the best spy in the universe and we are on season 4, im getting tired of climbing the ladder guys.

On the bright side they did something smart and practical. They killed the bombmaker. No trickery, they offed him because thats what you would have to do in that situation.

I'll watch until the end of the season, but unless something great happens I'm giving up.

Don't say that stelios because they're going to pull something in the final few episodes which will give you false hope and sucker you back in for next season.

I thought they already solved the "who burned me and why," and now we are on Michael cooperating with that organization in order to stop some other more eviler organization.

The problem I have with the show is that essentially Michael would be a murderer. I'm sure a patriotic and regularly justifying his acts as the greater good kind of murderer, but he'd still be a murderer, someone who has purposefully killed a target. The fact that he chooses not to exercise that option, makes a certain kind of sense (and of course the reality of the type of show this is), especially earlier on, but the longer the show goes on and the more recurring and one off badguys he has had to deal with, sometimes the answer should be shoot the guy in the head and never have to worry about him again.

In regards to that, I have a question about the last episode. What happened to the guy's body? Did they turn it over to the cops? Dump it where it would be found so his next of kin would know he'd been killed? They seemed to skip over that part. You know what would have been a more economical way of dealing with the potential frame up this woman had on Fi? Dissappear the body into nothingness, which I would assume Michael has done at least once. He could do it in voiceover, after dumping the body into a freestanding tub. No body, no crime, and it doesn't matter who has posession of the gun.

There was a boatful of people heading directly towards the dock.

I'm still enjoying the show, but I'm not pretending it's something it's not. The ongoing storyline is just a thread to hang the cases off of.

Well I mean how is he supposed to work? I know we aren't dealing with complete reality here but the show does love to explain all these little spy tricks and methods. Sometimes the guy would have to kill a target, especially when half the times old enemies from the past show up gunning for him. At that point it's self defense. I don't think I have ever seen Michael murder anyone outright. It's always been a last resort type of situation. Although sometimes he works so hard at not killing someone it's kind of insane. I mena he puts himself and friends at GREAT personal risk to avoid killing someone who is trying to kill him. And yeah there is the thing you mentioned about the baddies escaping and coming back for more. I really don't tihnk you can avoid it in that line of work.

He killed the agent dude that kidnapped Fiona. He dropped him pretty cold.

Yes he did, but even then he was attacked and he was trying to thin the herd so he could escape. This is the kind of shit he should be doing more of because it has a much better chance of him LIVING. But I mean he has never just walked up and shot someone or took them out with a sniper rifle, a real assasination.


This one is hard to remember for me but is that the one that had him at gunpoint? If im remembering this correctly he has Michael at gunpoint and Fiona was in some trouble. So it was a choice between him not killing the guy and standing there until some important burn notice type people showed up or killing him and getting to Fiona. Again I imagine most of us would agree with this choice, really it wasn't even a choice.

I'm not sure your point. Michael gave the body crumpled in his boat to the boatful of people coming to the dock? I'm saying he had to get rid of the body and I doubt it was done in a legitimate fashion, but did he leave it so it would be found by the proper authorities? Strategically, to deal with the issue of Fiona being framed for murder why wouldn't they dispose of the body in a way that takes away the homicidal thief's advantage over them? She left them with the only evidence a crime took place. All she had was a gun that had been fired. My point about shooting some villains was a separate issue.

The problem for me comes when the nature out the type of show this is isn't plausibly justified by the writers considering the background they have given Michael and the specific situation they've put him in for the episode.

This. The show is a modern day A-Team and I'm perfectly happy with that and enjoy watching the cast do their thing. The central conceit isn't all that big a concern for me.

I don't think they should over use the Michael needs to kill someone option, but I also don't think the kind of person that would be in the type of job he was in would have a tremendous amount of difficulty in playing the option should he have to. I also don't think he wouldn't know how to, or would have never disposed of a body with how they've set up his backstory. The idea that he doesn't kill directly because he wouldn't want cops all over him is a solid notion, but the idea that his only option should he kill someone is for that body to be discovered by proper authorities is I think disingenuous.

It's a fluff tv show. I'm not saying it isn't, but I don't think that means the writers should get a free pass for contrived scenarios, or over extending credulity in how much Michael is willing to go to not kill a villain character. They don't have to write scenarios where it's just becomes ridiculous. I think they generally do a good job on why he hasn't killed many of the big-bads he's had to deal with, but I don't think they're always successful in justifying it for one offs.

Well I liked the ending and the set up of what Michael might do with the list. I would LOVE it if he just turned Hitman on everybody on that list, but I doubt that will happen.

Yeah, if going after everyone on the list is the rest of season 4 + all of season 5 to end the show, I'm ok with that.

Yeah your right and thats why I enjoy Nikita. I know people kinda scoffed at that show but it really is the darker version of Burn Notice. It isn't nearly as fun and happy go lucky but it goes for the jugular and is theres a gun figght people actually get shot, crazy right?

Don't get me wrong I still like Burn Notice but it's mostly for the chatacter stuff and it's humor more so than the actual spy stuff.

Damn, they actually got the list so soon? I'm kind of interested at what they intend to do with it.