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post #1 of 198
6/7/10 at 1:46am
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and heeere weeee go!

Here's hoping Jobs brings the goods for iPhone 4 (or HD or 4G or whatever its going to be called). Guess we'll find out 1pm est.
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post #2 of 198
6/7/10 at 11:34am
The Android Phone is for Porn
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post #3 of 198
6/7/10 at 11:38am
I have access to virtually nothing at work except the CHUD boards, so please throw updates out here when you can.
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post #4 of 198
6/7/10 at 11:52am
I've managed to convince myself that there will be no Verizon/iPhone announcement. I think I'll be better off that way.
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post #5 of 198
6/7/10 at 1:54pm
I'm 99.9% sure they won't announce the Verizon/iPhone thing today.
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post #6 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:18pm
iPhone users! Call this number right now. *639#
It seems AT&T is offering $18 upgrades if you sign a new 2 year contract.
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post #7 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:22pm
Is that for the new iPhone? Not that it matters to me, as I'm upgrading from a Nokia to a new one.
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post #8 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:27pm
Farmville App!

...fap...fap...fap.

Just get to the iPhone.
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post #9 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:29pm
Guitar Hero App for the iPhone/iTouch!
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post #10 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post
Is that for the new iPhone? Not that it matters to me, as I'm upgrading from a Nokia to a new one.
Yes. My wife gets to upgrade for $18 if she signs a 2 year plan.
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post #11 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:42pm
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So the leaked photos were accurate, and Jobs joked about it. So far really happy to hear about the noise cancellation mic on the top.

The retina display stuff, is nice, but I'm pretty happy to be upgrading!
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post #12 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:43pm
Uh oh...Jobs was doing a side-by-side with loading times with the two phones, then the 4 stalled and got an error message. Whoops.
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post #13 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:45pm
Apparently when Jobs asked someone if they knew what was wrong, someone in the crowd yelled, "Verizon!" Heh.
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post #14 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:50pm
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300 hrs standby?! Nice!

edit: a fucking gyroscope for 6 axis control?!

5mp camera with led flash? with HD video recording?!
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post #15 of 198
6/7/10 at 2:52pm
Adding a gyroscope.
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post #16 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:01pm
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iMovie for iPhone! Hell yes. You can keep the led light on during video recording as well.
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post #17 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:01pm
Netflix streaming to the iPhone. You'll need the new battery just for that.
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post #18 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:02pm
HD video shot at 720p at 30fps.

ETA: Sairus beat me to it.
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post #19 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:08pm
Maybe it's because I'm not an iPhone user, but this seems kinda underwhelming. I don't see the appeal of editing cell phone movies on a 3.5-inch screen beyond the trim controls they already have.

The gyroscope...I guess you have to see it in action. Glad they're updating the washed-out display, but they have to be saving something more substantial, right?
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post #20 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:11pm
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Probably going to be that front facing camera, they haven't talked about it yet.
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post #21 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:12pm
I'd doubt it, thinner, second mic, doubling the processor, a 326dpi screen, HD video recording, bumping the camera, LED flash, 802.11n, it's all about keeping up with the joneses. If anything, maybe they announce one or two interesting software updates, but when they upgrade devices (rather than release new things altogether), the rumor mills tend to be on top of it, and, if anything, over promise.
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post #22 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:17pm
They definitely are keeping up with the Joneses specswise...for now. But HTC releases, like, 46 phones a month, so I expect this to be behind the pack around Christmastime or so.
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post #23 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:26pm
Sure, but that's the same with every Apple product. Their products are always most competitive, price-wise, upon release, and degrade precipitously until their next refresh.
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post #24 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:28pm
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Using a my brothers 3GS, it still feels as snappy as a lot of Android devices. Heck, my 3G just barely keeps up as well.

Still, Apple needs that killer feature, and Jobs is just talking about the OS and the ads.

edit: video calls! Not terribly unique, but you know Apple is gonna be the one that makes it popular.
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post #25 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:34pm
Well, obviously it was always going to be video conferencing, but a lot of the air went out of that balloon when the prototype got "leaked."
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post #26 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:39pm
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Looks to be WI-FI only, iphone 4 to iphone 4 only at the moment. Jobs made a remark that he needs to work with the carriers at the moment (cough cough AT&T).
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post #27 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:39pm
Didn't a lot of the video conferencing air go out when dataplans got gimped?

Oops, spoke too soon.
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post #28 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:47pm
I swear, prior to this early upgrade business, my upgrade date is June 23rd. I thought I soooo fucking awesome for perfectly planning my upgrade.

Oh well, I'm on this shit June 24th.
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post #29 of 198
6/7/10 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS View Post
Looks to be WI-FI only, iphone 4 to iphone 4 only at the moment. Jobs made a remark that he needs to work with the carriers at the moment (cough cough AT&T).
I remember thinking, before the prototype got out, that there wouldn't be video conferencing because video streaming over 3G sucks balls, so that does answer that question. Better believe one of the selling points of the first 4G iPhone will be the ability to do video conferencing over 4G, you know, for the five-to-ten minutes your phone lasts before its battery dies.

Also, it is nice to see that the upgrade fee for iPod Touch owners was indeed linked to Apple's subscription based accounting, and now that they no longer uses that form of accounting, iPod Touch updates will be just as free as they are for iPhones.
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post #30 of 198
6/7/10 at 4:00pm
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Well a good HSDA 7.2 mbs can be good enough for video conferencing, but sadly locations need to expand. Also data limits suck, and so other countries will get the conferencing over their networks. AT&T will promise it, only a year later it shows up and they cut bandwidth again.

edit: Yeah I'll pre-order and avoid the lines.

So I guess jailbreak options a week later?
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post #31 of 198
6/7/10 at 4:03pm
Well, every country, besides the US, caps data. And even here, companies like AT&T, Comcast and Verizon all cap their data plans. Sadly, we're all going to have to say goodby to "unlimited" data plans, at least until available bandwidth expands significantly.
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post #32 of 198
6/7/10 at 4:07pm
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iPhone users! Call this number right now. *639#
It seems AT&T is offering $18 upgrades is you sign a new 2 year contract.
I'm not eligible for an upgrade yet.
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post #33 of 198
6/7/10 at 4:25pm
I can't wait to see the insane resolution of the Retina display when it reaches the iPad. It'd require a 1600x1200 display on a 10" screen.
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post #34 of 198
6/7/10 at 4:56pm
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I swear, prior to this early upgrade business, my upgrade date is June 23rd. I thought I soooo fucking awesome for perfectly planning my upgrade.

Oh well, I'm on this shit June 24th.
Yeah, I haven't gotten on the iPhone bandwagon yet, so I'm making it this model. Let me do my 2 years of time on this model, then I'll decide whether I want to keep up with the Joneses in the future.
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post #35 of 198
6/7/10 at 10:58pm
I'm a huge Apple fan-boy...but the new iPhone...doesnt do it for me. Neither did the iPad.
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post #36 of 198
6/7/10 at 11:01pm
The new iPhone does not do it for you? Reasons? I'm curious that's all. I think it's the bees knees. So I wanna hear a differing opinion.
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post #37 of 198
6/7/10 at 11:08pm
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Yes. My wife gets to upgrade for $18 if she signs a 2 year plan.
Are you guys SURE about this? The $18 is the standard AT&T upgrade fee and you pay it on top of the cost of the phone. What you guys are suggesting is that you pay the standard fee and you get the phone for free? That sounds incredibly unlikely.

EDIT - Ohhh never mind. You get to upgrade early without paying an early upgrade fee. Disregard.
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post #38 of 198
6/7/10 at 11:26pm
Consider me completely wanting one of these now (as soon as the AT&T exclusivity runs out....) Seems like a wonderful piece of tech. Which just points out, whatever side you're on (Android, iPhone, etc.) that this country has shitty high speed networks.
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post #39 of 198
6/8/10 at 1:07am
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Well welcome to a country run by MBAs and not engineers, where they allow multiple frequencies to belong to to multiple carriers. Hell, even the boards of the cellular carriers are more MBAs than engineers. They know how to make the money, but they have no idea about maintenance of their structures and the upkeep involved.

You want to really shake things up? Standardize to the general 3G frequencies around the world. Have only 1 4G standard. Then you eliminate the problem of coverage. Now companies truly have to compete for your dollar by focusing on customer service and cheap rates. Cell companies right now secretly must be working together to screw the consumer.

The idea of limits is absurd, because I hate backwards progress. AT&T stopping their unlimited service is just a sign of not trying to improve things on their end, but simply lessen the load from the consumer. If they say 98% of their customers use 2 gigs or less, then what is exactly wrong? You're allowing the people who possibly use more to keep their unlimited plans, so you don't fix the problem, you just slow its growth.

I honestly think AT&T thought that they could sucker people in with cheaper rates, but I really think they thought Steve Jobs would enable video conferencing over 3G and they could take advantage of the overage fee.

That said, I hope other enable the front camera to be used with their programs.
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post #40 of 198
6/8/10 at 5:29am
No slight to Steve Jobs or Sam Mendes but their commercial really misses what Facetalk will be more likely used for.

Anyway, ive had my 3g for two years and the new features are good enough for me so I'll be preordering one next week.
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post #41 of 198
6/8/10 at 11:31am
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The new iPhone does not do it for you? Reasons? I'm curious that's all. I think it's the bees knees. So I wanna hear a differing opinion.
I dont know...I'm just not really impressed by a VGA front facing camera that can only do iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 video calls...and only on wifi. And a 5mp camera is nothing revolutionary either...considering phones like the Droid Incredible and the HTC Evo 4G are running 8mp cameras. Probably the only thing that I see that's nice is the 720p video capability...but then again, so can the Evo 4G I think everyone was expecting revolutionary. And instead they just got more of the same. I think that Apple has been trying to play the catch-up game with this iPhone, instead of trying to come out with the best product.
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post #42 of 198
6/8/10 at 11:39am
What good do 8MP cameras do you if 75% of the pixels are grainy anyway though? I like the idea that Apple is really working to polish the experience with the phone at the moment. Snappier menus, crisper screens, higher quality camera, thinner frame, better battery life. All of those things will help make the iPhone a much more pleasant device to use.

I'm actually seriously considering getting an iPhone again for the first time in a long while.
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post #43 of 198
6/8/10 at 12:57pm
(1) Android is an awful, awful battery hog. A smartphone that has a battery like a featurephone is going to be an amazing thing.

(2) iPhone to iPhone videoconferencing is going to be a market leader in no time. The installed base is huge, and you don't need to have a skype or qik accoung to make it work. This is going to be another example of the benefits of apple's "it just works" philosophy.
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post #44 of 198
6/8/10 at 1:38pm
I wonder since AT&T to AT&T calls are free, will the i2i (name patent pending) video conferencing calls be free as well, as far as your data plan goes?
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post #45 of 198
6/8/10 at 1:41pm
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I wonder since AT&T to AT&T calls are free, will the i2i (name patent pending) video conferencing calls be free as well, as far as your data plan goes?
Since wifi doesn't apply to your data amount (to my understanding), and these can only be done by wifi I would certainly think so.
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post #46 of 198
6/8/10 at 1:49pm
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(1) Android is an awful, awful battery hog. A smartphone that has a battery like a featurephone is going to be an amazing thing.

(2) iPhone to iPhone videoconferencing is going to be a market leader in no time. The installed base is huge, and you don't need to have a skype or qik accoung to make it work. This is going to be another example of the benefits of apple's "it just works" philosophy.
Don't disagree about Android, but that's why people have docks, car chargers, and/or spare batteries. I'd love to have the battery life they claim they are getting, but it comes with way too many limitations, and their videoconferencing is one of them.

I can talk to anyone I want as long as we're both on WiFi and they have an iPhone too? So much for showing my parents pictures of my kid or getting in touch with most of my out of state family members. No use to me.

No more unlimited data? Same screen size? Same UI and horrible notifications?

I can appreciate Apple pushing their awesome hardware to become a multimedia powerhouse, but awesome HD video isn't so awesome to edit on a 3.5-inch screen. Awesome videoconferencing isn't so awesome when I can't use it when I want to with who I want to.

I want them to start pushing the user experience. It's silky smooth, and yet oddly antiquated.
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post #47 of 198
6/8/10 at 1:49pm
Ah, didn't know about the only wifi part. Then it won't hit against your data usage.

Much as Apple is sort of forcing out Adobe Flash, it appears they're also helping push the wifi agenda as well, with the advent of the iPad, and now this option with the iPhone. Because as fun as the iPad apparently is, I hear a common retort from folks--if you don't have a wifi (or 3G) connection, the iPad takes a big hit in the "awesome" factor.
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post #48 of 198
6/8/10 at 1:59pm
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The front facing camera is open source, so programs can (and should) take advantage of it. One benefit of it being wi-fi only, no stupid drivers using it at the same time.

Actually the idea of video MMS style voice mail might be interesting.
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post #49 of 198
6/8/10 at 2:01pm
From reading the WWDC liveblog, Facetime is going to be an open standard. So there's no need to get too annoyed at Apple for making something that currently only iPhone 4 & 3GS can support if it's possible for full Android support. Its not as if 3G networks can even pipe decent streaming video phone to phone in the first place.
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post #50 of 198
6/8/10 at 2:06pm
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From reading the WWDC liveblog, Facetime is going to be an open standard. So there's no need to get too annoyed at Apple for making something that currently only iPhone 4 & 3GS can support if it's possible for full Android support. Its not as if 3G networks can even pipe decent streaming video phone to phone in the first place.
Which is why I think it's dumb to include on a device that doesn't have access to 4G/WiMax/LTE data. Sprint's Evo4G does, so it makes sense there, assuming you live in a 4G city and bought it for that.

I do, but am waiting to see what else drops this year before switching devices again. But the point is, you're not limited. Apple and AT&T limit you consistently, and who knows when this "open standard" really becomes open and widespread. By the time it happens, the next iPhone that actually HAS 4G LTE data could be here.
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